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  1. 2 hours ago, Brad2912 said:

    Point out where this occurs for me. It doesn’t. Jobe put forward his ideas and you just shat on them 

    I’m not a moderator. 


    Only one - calling you an arrogant dick. Which I stand by. 

    I don’t know, I’m not a moderator. 

    meh. Apologise or not. I care little. But don’t say you’re going to then give reasons why you won’t. 

    Given I know none of your Personal story (until now) to insinuate my comment was some slant on hardships you’ve suffered is stupid. 


    I actually apologised, a real apology at the end of the previous post, and all I got was fuck you and more insults. Only one? Your first line to me deserved a right headbutt you condescending little turd. I'm, the immature one? My goodness man, take a look in the mirror. Sheesh.

    as far as my story goes, I was being a smart ass you idiot, cause you were saying how sorry you felt for me about my life, so I turned it and gave you actual sad stuff that happened, where as you were actually just being an asshole and saying "I would be sorry to be you, you are so pathetic". I tried to flip it and I was even so kind about it, I didn't have a go at you for being so condescending, and even THAT you turn around and just be a prick again.

    1 hour ago, Jobe said:

    Wonderland Eurasia ( as Anka Park opened as) failed not because of the ride choices. It failed due to a number of reasons- political unrest over the massive cost blowouts of the park ( reputed to have cost $750 million at conservative estimates), due to the unrest over this there was a change in political leadership which tried to reign in the costs before the park had even opened, poor construction values which left many attractions simply not available to be ready for opening day and lack of support from the local population against the cost of the project, when all most of them wanted was funds directed towards basic infrastructure like water and sewage than an overblown expensive theme park.

    Comparing this failure to a plan for a medium sized regional park in Australia is simply not like for like and quite silly to even begin to go down tht route.

    Here is an example of your inconsistency. Here you are claiming that the ride choices in the hypotheticals are not name brands. In other words, manufacturers that people have heard of. Or rides that other parks would purchase. Yes? However, several posters (including myself) have already pointed out to you that the manufacturers selected are indeed well known and are very succesful in the industry. Yes the coasters selected are not top tier, but that was deliberate and explained in the original post. All of these rides, especially the flat rides selected, have multiple installations across the world in many and varied amusement/theme parks across the globe. Again , something that simply cannot be refuted.

    And yet here you are trying to defend your previous assertion. Once again this is not fact but your own opinion. An opinion that I happend to believe is wrong. And I am not alone in that feeling. I am really not sure what you are trying to say here. Its very convoluted and smacks of backpedaling. I think you need to have a bex and a lie down, to be honest. Especially at your age.

     Once again. If you had prefaced your post with an "in my opinion" and toned down the arrogance a notch , then we wouldnt be having an issue. I explained that the coasters chosen WERE not from Top Tier manufacturers for a reason. Everyone seemed to be able to absorb that fact and accept it.

    And I refute your opinions that the coasters are terrible choices. Yes they are not RMC or B&M's. Deliberate and stated in the discussion.

    Whats your problem with the new Vekoma Inverts? By all accounts they are excellent rides and would form the centrepiece and signature ride of the park. If it opened tomorrow, it would immediately become a top tier coaster for Australia.

    The Zamperla Lightning has had its issues, I accept that. By all accounts they can be rough. Opinion is mixed on these. However, they are a good layout ( you as much admitted that ) and the new gen trains should make the experience a far better one. It would still be a compelling coaster for the Australian market if installed. There have been several installtions of this type in parks around the world, so its hard to call the model a failure.

    Similarly , the Zamperla Motocoaster also has several installations around the world. Yes , once again , its not the most well regarded coaster model out there, but it does have its fans and it offers a launch coaster that families can all ride at an economical price. The general public I think would find this a fun coaster.

    The P&B is selected as  family coaster. Nothing more. Its interest lies in the fact that it is a moebius duelling coaster and the install that has been placed at the park in Italy looks great. 

    The Technical Park water coaster I selected as the park needed a water flume ride and this was different than just a bog standard log flume. The example shown has excellent theming and is located in a smaller regional park in Italy , very similar in scope to what its purpose would be here.

    The Zierer ESC have proven very successful and are excellent mid sized family coasters. @Noxegon has already attested to their excellent rideability and his opinion is far more respected and definitely one I would put above yours. Once again, I think that these rides present well.

    Ha yeah I only included it as it looked interesting . Fair call lets remove this one from the list!

    The Cance Hyper GTX does look like a good ride and by all accounts it has a lot of fans amongst enthusiasts. I had toyed with the idea of selecting this and I will give you this one. My only concern is that it has been available for a number of years and in all that time, only ONE park has selected it for an install. Thats despite it getting excellent reviews.  For my hypothetical situation,lets select this one instead of the Reverchon Drifting Coaster.

    In regards to the flat rides I selected ( of which you only had criticism, sweeping statements and no real constructive feedback, they are my personal choices on what I would select if i had the decision. I have selected them deliberately and in my mind they offer an excellent balance of thrills, family rideability and enough uniqueness in the Australian theme park landscape as to make the HVG a sought after destination for these rides. Happy to hear other ideas from anyone but to say they are crap without any real analysis or expansive thinking just highlights the arrogance you came swinging in with. To this end I stand by my choices.

    Your opinion. Nothing more. 

    The rudeness , as has been amply pointed out by several respected posters in this thread, started when you entered the conversation. I have been measured and calm in my response as I do not believe in histronics on a forum board.

    You say you are nearly 50, however your responses so far have been at the maturity level of someone far below that lofty age claim. I am no giddy , unexperienced 16 year old , nor am I as old as you , however I recognise arrogance and rudeness when it is presented and I will not let it go without calling it out. If you wish to dial back the arrogance, the sweeping statements and the overall shitposting, then I am happy to interact with you on the boards, as I am with anyone. I feel you do have good knowledge and some great life experiences to relate if only you could access more social ettiquette.

    Amen to that!


    So if we replaced the Reverchon Drifting Coaster with a Chance Hyper GTX this would then give the HVG  a total of 7 coasters (admittedly not Top Tier) but would give it arguably behind Movie World the best 3, 2 1 coaster punch in all of Australia currently. The Vekoma Invert is a class attraction followed by an enthusiast favourite in the Chance Hyper GTX and the Zamperla Lightning with the next gen trains. The other coasters provide a good backup to these 3 coasters, arguably the best supporting coaster lineup in Australia currently.

    If the HVG was to open this park with this hypothetical coaster and flat ride lineup, would this be enough for any of you to immediately want to come and visit it? Curious to see if this would be a compelling park line up as to make Australian want to travel to visit it? 

    My God man you can't even see your hypocrisy in your post,  literally telling me off for things you precisely do. Like somehow my opinion needs to be pointed out as opinion, but all this entire thread is just opinions.

    Or selectively quoting me and once again completely missing the apology at the end.

    I'll correct one thing.. when I said name brands, that was my bad, I meant more well known, top names. But you are such a nitpicker it is almost incredible.. You guys make fun of me but do you *seriously* have ANY kind of life? It's like you purposely drag it out to keep the conflict going, like you get off on it or something. It's incredible.

    Re Zamperla, you specifically said the generation trains like at OWA.. I have ridden that very coaster and I am telling you it has potholes and you can come off it with a nasty headache. It's like you keep pushing the issue and just don't accept that I think they are a bad choice for ANY park.. what's wrong with you?

    Jobe, Brad, you are two immature wankers, who are projectionists in every way and blame others for your own behaviour, then get butthurt when someone actually doesn't take your shit. 

    A hypothetical park is nothing BUT opinions.. my goodness I am dealing with morons at a level I can't even fathom.

    My initial comment that I didn't like your park idea was not even REMOTELY that bad to turn into this. Poly fucking Annas and then some.

    This is what I am dealing with here.. "if you started with my opinion it would be ok".

    I literally said, "I think". An opinion. But I didn't use the words that YOU wanted, and here you are literally telling me what to write. Who the fuck do you think you are?

    Also, the semantics here are so obsessive and pathetic that it's just ludicrous.

    I literally just offered to turn the whole thing around and research and be productive so we could move forward, and you both spat in my face. Unbelievable.

    And you know what? When people resort to personal attacks over opinions on steel and bolts, they are the ones with the insecurities. You just couldn't handle that I didn't like your idea, and you got your little band together to have a go at me personally, on multiple levels. And then get surprised when I respond. The C word doesn't even cover it.

    And here? Heck yes I have attacked you both personally, no one speaks to me like that, multiple times and after an apology no less, and gets to talk to me again. Ever. Go have your little chinwags like little school girls behind my back whilst I blissfully mute you and never see it again. I only pressed display this post, as I presumed this would be over, little did I know.. I SHOULD have known better, cause when PollyAnnas wanna fight, they do everything in their power to keep their fight going. 

    That said, I asked via email, a few hours back ,for my profile and all topics to be deleted, as I honestly have much better things to do in life than defend myself to a bunch of projectionist losers..... A psychologist would have a field day with you, just the sheer hypocrisy and PURPOSEFUL continuation of conflict. Must be leftists/Antifa/ etc.

    Hypocrites are the lowest form. Truly. I could literally spend an hour replying to every thing you said line by line, but that's what you want, and I just honestly believe you're a terrible person who is a warmonger, and I refuse to feed you anymore. 

    "He literally quoted everything but the apology". You can't make this shit up.  FFS.

    On 24/09/2021 at 3:57 AM, Gtmichaels said:

    @pazzap I agree with @Brad2912, I’m just 18 even I know that’s pretty damn low. I really like this discussion, and hope for an awesome park through speculation is harmless fun in these shitty times. The fact you went out of your way to insult this guy shows a massive lack of maturity and self-awareness. 

    Age is just a number, and just because you are 50 or older, doesn’t mean you are god. Your arrogance shows that. Please act better here my dude. 🙏🏻

    Also, I love the idea of a park situated in Hunter Valley Gardens, gives me an Alton Towers sort of vibe! A coaster surrounded by awesome greenery would be breathtaking, definitely something Aussies would be proud of! If Merlin could turn a castle and it’s gardens into a theme park, I’m sure it could be a hit here.

    No dickhead, they went out of their way to insult ME, on a deeply personal level. I insulted steel and bolts, you twit. Actually, I gave an opinion about steel and bolts. Massive lack of maturity and self awareness? Talking about yourself much?

    All little pathetic keyboard warriors. What you consider "low" and what you don't, show a seriously screwed up set of morals, like, broken, and since you have no moral compass, don't you DARE ever virtue signal to me.

    On another note, Yeah, the merlin and location idea is fine, the coasters aren't. 




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  2. Don't you think we should be able to see WHO had what reactions to our posts so we can ask them questions, for example? I mean what is improbable about a water ride at Dreamworld? I would love to know from those two that rated it that way. I also agreed that there is no way the Zamperla coaster can be brought here, so what is improbable about that? That it is improbable that it CAN'T be brought here ?, and the custom supports CAN be adjusted? what? I don't get it. Please explain what was improbable.

    Or is it improbable that I am surprised someone had a bad ride on a coaster I only had good experiences on? So confusing. 🤪

  3. On 23/09/2021 at 10:50 PM, Brad2912 said:

    @pazzap if you are near 50 i feel sorry for you, because the way you have responded to @Jobe's thread and ideas is pre-teen level at best.

    He put a heap of thought and effort into an idea, and for you to just jump on and throw shit at it, when he put more effort into one post than you have in all the contributions you have made in all your time coming in and out over the years is petulant at best. 

    You don't have to agree with his plans, but as others have, engage in a discussion rather than acting like an arrogant dick.


    I was arrogant cause he was arrogant. That fact that as a moderator you can't see this, is frightening. He also chased me to another topic to ONCE AGAIN completely twist my words, kind of like when someone quotes someone selectively. I respond to like with like. I genuinely wanted to participate in the topic and provide some ideas, but that quickly went out the window when he got personal, albeit in a very passive aggressive way. You have done no less than 2 personal attacks in this topic now yourself, so if I call you a fuckwit for calling me an arrogant dick, what, do *I* get banned? Is that how it works? Only one side can do it, and if they have contributed a lot over the years, is allowed to be a dick or arrogant? Gotcha. (It kinds of reminds me of a certain American political party's mantra) "It's ok when WE do it".

    I was going to apologise if my initial post offended in any way, and remove the one you quoted, but then as I said he chased me down at another topic and completely made up a fantasy scenario about me. I defended myself, then put him on ignore. I am still willing to bury the hatchet  and accept my part and blame, as I can see from reading it back that I am surely to blame also,  if he does. Fair is fair.

    And don't feel sorry for me.. I have a wonderful life. I did have a severe back injury which lost me almost 2 years of it, and I also had two deep tumor (thankfully benign) micro surgeries in my right ear which lost me another 3 to chronic vertigo and a lot of post op infections and illness (feel free to contact Mr Gary Sherman if you don't believe me, he will even tell you that's why I don't get sick on any flat ride, cause of all the adjustment my brain did to the vertigo, and even other interesting tidbits about how my hearing comes back when at full cruise altitude in a plane), but now I am back to working 10am to midnight or even later, 6 nights a week. I have been doing this (producing music) for 30 years since I was 19. I lost an entire ear after recording for years, and then I spent years re training how to mix with one. I lost a lot of time and money but that's how dedicated I am to my craft. If you want to feel sorry for me about THAT, well that's cool, and thanks. It was pretty harsh.

    With all this, OF COURSE I am rarely at the forums. If I am not doing music, I am taking long trips (usually the 90 day maximum visa waiver if I go to the US, or shorter ones elsewhere) which I frankly deserve cause I sacrifice almost all social life and spending when I am in Melbourne, (all I do is save almost every cent) doing the thing we ALL love here. It's my favourite thing in this world, before even music, and if I ever won Powerball I know I would do something stupid and build a mini park and blow every cent of it. Anyway, that's why I barely contribute.. we are in lockdown now, but in normal day to day life, I just don't have time for internet forums. Even my pro music and my favourite forum of all time, gearspace.com, I rarely contribute to anymore. There just isn't enough hours in the day. I am sorry if that offends you that I only come here when bored, but that's my reality. Is that OK?

    But to bury the hatchet, I will apologise for my role in being a dick and not giving a well laid out, constructive answer, instead answering in anger. I shouldn't have done that. I hold no ill will towards Jobe. Or anyone.

    My advice, well opinion, on the thunderbolt stands, as they are awful, and I really do think the one existing hyper gtx in Kentucky, is amazeballs. They are so good that you could have a raptor and a GTX, a couple flats and have something that already kills the new LPS (imo) before it's even open. I really do like the idea of cheaper coasters, and am happy to do a serious bit of research to find what I consider to be much better alternatives in the same price range (and no, no maurer skyloops LOL, even though I think they are lots of fun).




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  4. I was initially going to do it as coaster exclusive, but I realised that some here may have not ridden enough coasters so it would be totally unfair, and I'd like it open to everyone. What ride experiences, of any kind, did you expect little from and they really delivered, and the opposite also? It was hard for me to narrow down to 5 in each category, but I chose the ones that are still very relevant today IMO.

    For me my most overrated coasters are easy:

    1) Millennium Force, Cedar Point - I call it Mediocre Force and my friend with me 100% agreed. It's just fast, but that's all there is to it. Even the first drop is tame and that includes in the back row. There is precisely ZERO airtime anywhere in the back row, and a little in the front. It belongs no where NEAR the number 2 world's best steel coaster as per 2021 rankings. That's just obscene.

    2) Beast, Kings Island - praised for its night rides and long terrain layout, this rough and boring woodie that is basically almost all dead track, is the most overrated wooden coaster in history. It once again relies only on speed, but during the day, even that doesn't feel that fast, hence the night time praising. Well Duh, any coaster feels faster if it's dark out.. Give me Ghost Rider, back seat night ride any day over this, and I mean 2000 GR or 2016+ GR.. Not 2005-20015 GR which was awful.

    3) Outlaw Run, Silver Dollar City - Incredible Pacing but just so short and SO rough. You are bouncing around like a rag doll and I can feel my spine literally expanding and contracting and wanting to snap. I had to take pain killers afterwards and was out much of the day. This was in 2019.

    4) Phantom's Revenge, Kennywood - I detest Morgan hypers (not to be confused with the one chance Morgan GTX). Their lifts are painfully slow, their first drops don't have any airtime anywhere, the ones in the US especially are mid course trimmed up the wazoo (except this one admittedly as it's short without trims).. in the very front there is some fun to be had, but in the back they are literally 200 ft nothing coasters.. and Phantom's Revenge is (almost) no different. True it's better than Steel force/Mamba/Mild Thing, but there is no airtime in the back on the first drop OR the 228 ft ravine drop, and then you get some tiny hills with ejector. This is what people seem to salivate over, this 10 seconds of ride towards the end. The 2 big drops are SO weak, it's a short coaster, and the first 70% is boring, so a few tinsy tiny hills at the end does not a top 10 coaster make.

    5) Phoenix at Knoebels - in the very back row we were bored to tears, even with those buzz bars, but it's possible we had a bad ride. That said, there is another enthusiast who didn't think much of it then went back a few years later and same thing.. He wanted to understand and get a ride that made it the number one wood coaster in the world (it's really not, I promise), and he couldn't get one either. I can only speak from my experience, and on a hot end of May Saturday with a full train, we had a shit ride. It wasn't rough though, so that's something.


    1) intimidator at Carowinds - Some enthusiasts slam this for the trim brakes and they ruin the ride for themselves via placebo effect. The ride is designed to a precision speed and that's why in some cold weather or early morning or almost empty trains, the trims might not even activate, or one might and not the other.  B&M have clearly said that the ride runs as closely to its designed speed as possible, and that's what the trims are for, as it literally can run too fast, OVER the design speed, without them. What enthusiasts seem to miss, and get all in a funk about as soon as the trim(s) hit, is that there is still airtime, it is still smooth as glass and it is still a VERY fun ride. Another B&M back seat hyper that never fails to leave me giggling and wanting more. I have literally seen enthusiasts say what an incredible ride they had cause they fluked an un trimmed ride and how much better it was, but it was literally going at the same speed LOL.. As I said, placebo.

    2) Raging Bull, Six Flags Great America - One again ragged on cause of trims, it is true in this case they were added long after the fact and must be there for wear and tear, as the coaster is not too intense in any way without them. Still, in trimmed form, it is so underrated. The back seat might be the best B&M hyper drop in existence, as the pre drop adds that little bit of speed needed that you are violently whipped down and out of your seat the entire drop. The rest is sheer floater bliss and being "pulled down" every drop. I can sit on this all day no problem.

    3) OzIris, Parc Asterix - The fact it is not as intense as earlier B&M inverts is what many enthusiasts don't like here. I happen to love it cause of the very unique thing it has.. INVERTED COASTER AIR TIME! Yep, and lots of it. At least 10 spots in the very back row. As well as being glass smooth and "intense enough", this coaster is one of my top inverts.

    4) Powder Keg - Silver Dollar City - If ever a coaster was underrated.. I rode this and I was like, WTF? Where did this little gem come from? Intense Launch, then just camel back madness. It's sort of like a mini hyper from S&S without inversions and there's nothing else quite like it! It would be a top 10 coaster for me if they replaced the lift with a second launch, as it would be a perfectly paced coaster, but I understand they wanted to reuse some of Buzzsaw Falls.

    5) Vekoma SLC's with the new vest restraint VEKOMA trains.. Maybe I am being cheeky here rather than naming a single coaster, but there is more than one that has been "fixed". I find the SLC layouts to be really intense and incredible fun, especially the double barrel roll. Once you ride them with the new trains, you actually realise they are too short, whereas they seem so LONG and "when will it end" with the OTSRs. It's funny how much difference a train can make.  I like these SLC's as much as any B&M invert and all I end up wishing is that they were a little longer and that more parks would fix theirs. I even see a place for them in new parks. TBH I'd much rather ride things like the Great Nor'Easter than Craptor, which almost made my most overrated list.

  5. 1 hour ago, Jobe said:

    Really?? Zamperla? After you trashed them in another thread??


    I am putting you ignore as you are obviously going to be like a dog with a bone, so this is the final time I will acknowledge you, ever.

    I bag Zamperla everywhere, badly, as I think they make the worst coasters in the world (well some of them), but I've always excepted this one.. cause it's an, UM, exception. Look up the word and its meaning :)

    Goodbye troublemaking troll.

    1 hour ago, Baconjack said:

    Logistically relocating this coaster is more than likely impossible given how most of the supports are custom built to the terrain.

    I found the experience to be pretty poor when I rode it a couple of years back. Really poor transitions in some portions. A mine train would be a good addition to DW as they are lacking a family coaster but i prefer an intamin multi dimension coaster as i mentioned earlier

    Yeah I realise it's impossible and the coaster supports are specific for the terrain, but I am surprised you had a bad ride on it. That said, I respect your opinion. I was literally out of my seat on both the main drops, the second one was sustained better than some hypers, and it was smooth. Maybe it aged poorly, my ride was a decade ago. Although TPW rode it a couple years back and he loved it also.. Any coaster can have a bad day, and maybe that's what you had, or maybe not. 

    I was just dreaming cause I hate the fact they closed it (and quite a few more of their good rides). I have no nostalgia for their arrow looper and glad they closed that POS though LOL!

    On 23/09/2021 at 4:12 PM, Baconjack said:

    I think DW building something like an Intamin multi dimension coaster with the drop track would be a really great investment for their next coaster. IMO thats going to be their main gap going forward, as they really lack a decent family thrill ride (something the rapids and rocky hollow once had). Plop it in the log ride's spot in a box and give it a good theme. See: Verbolten at Busch Gardens or Thirteen at Alton Towers. 2nd pick goes to a mack power splash.

    MW my vote goes to a dive coaster or a flying coaster. They are crowd pleasers for a reason overseas and I think it's the most logical option when it comes to filling gaps in the lineup. I think given Village are willing to drop $30 million on DC Rivals I don't necessarily believe budget is an issue for their theme parks anymore.

    Aussie World i'd love to see something like a zamperla thunderbolt in this park. Something small, low budget, yet makes a decent impact.

    Adventure World needs a good family thrill coaster because they pretty much have nothing that you can't put in the 'little kids' basket and the 'scary thrill rides' basket. Perhaps a Vekoma family boomerang, or something like Boomerang at LPS?

    For me the most important thing at Dreamworld now is water rides.. they closed both.. Whitewater World having slides is a different thing, not everyone at a theme park wants to get into their bathers and do water slides.

    Maybe a Mack powersplash, or an all new log flume, something like Dudley Do Right. I know they will never get a rapids ride again cause obvious reasons and it will be a reminder, but a good log flume or water coaster is what I have my fingers crossed for Dreamworld next. They already have two family coasters, please no third one.

    Have you ridden Thunderbolt? They are horrible, truly. They HURT. I'd rather ride a rough woodie than those 2 things again. The way my brain rattled made me nauseous, and that's almost impossible to make me sick on a ride, but that managed it.

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  6. 2 hours ago, Will S said:

    RMC Hybrid! Enough said! A B&M would be nice but I think with the sort of budget any Aussie theme park has access to an RMC hybrid would be the best option.


    An RMC Hybrid from scratch is as maybe out of reach also.

    A conversion is anywhere from 6 to 10 million, but we don't have a wooden coaster to convert to begin with....hey, if Bush Beast was around!

    That said, a topper track from scratch coaster like wildfire cost 13 million USD and Zadra cost about 16 million USD which is a from scratch Hybrid.

    Intimidator was around 23M USD (Carowinds) so  yes, RMC are definitely cheaper, BUT, the big but is that B&M smaller models that aren't quite hyper can lower the cost by 5 million and they are just as good to ride. So RMC hybrid/B&M mini hyper, either are as realistic as one another IMO.

    Anyway, with RMC, it has to be the more expensive Hybrid option these days. They have phased topper track out cause it gets effin rough like all woodies do - there was no magic bullet after all. In fact, Intamin Pre Fab lasts longer before getting rough.

    Outlaw Run at SDC almost broke my back, it was really "bouncy".. I couldn't re ride it, as short as it was and as much as I loved it, as my back was sore after one ride and I have a bad-ish back. Goliath at great america was holding up better.

    Wonder Woman fiesta texas was 7 million USD. The cost of Buzzsaw. For something 100 times as good.

    Have you ridden the single rail? I am just trying to stay realistic and think for a quick fire one of a kind in OZ, the single rail would fit that bill. I keep imagining one where AA is now.. Maybe with an extra inversion or airtime hill and with costs to OZ hopefully could still be done for under 10M USD.. a very realistic proposal IMO.


  7. RMC, without question. If not, B&M hyper.

    I am happy with the single rail or the hybrids with RMC.

    Since I think a single rail is more realistic we'll go with that, and what I am hoping replaces AA at Movie World.

    Just the standard model like RailBlazer, WW and Stunt Pilot. The very back row is so insane it can't even be explained, honestly.

    Right now I will settle for the Zamperla mine train that just closed at Ocean Park in Hong kong. Best mine train ever built (in terms of airtime and layout of the actual coaster). I am hoping beyond hope an Aussie park buys it. It's a wonderful coaster. 

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  8. Here's the first suggestion.

    Chance Hyper GTX  instead of Zamperla thunderbolt.

    and YES, the one at OWA even with second gen trains is full of jackhammering and even a couple deep pothole moments.. it's a good layout that just rides terribly. Although I do believe gen 3 trains coming (probably won't make a difference). it's  better than the one at Luna Park but only because those restraints staple you and get worse as the ride goes on.It's not like it's smoother or something LOL.

    Anyway, I just saved you 3 million dollars for a much, much better ride.

    Of course I know the brand names but all the coasters you have suggested are terrible. Every single choice. You've specifically gone and made a park with the exact sort of brand names that Anka did, and they proved the model doesn't work. They had ONE decent coaster and even that is just the wrong choice (intamin 10 inversion rev b and their only big brand name).

    You are very cheeky, I was going by what you were saying and NOT using the main brand names, that doesn't mean I don't know the ones you used. They are just utter garbage and your park would 100% fail. I guarantee it.

    No one wants to pay for a theme park unless the rides are spectacular. Just like Steel Taipan will not save Dreamworld.. one good coaster isn't enough.

    I don't know what you want to hear, do you want me to pamper your idea? You were quite rude where as I initially wasn't, telling me how "preposterous" I am.. so let me put it bluntly:

    Yours is the worst idea for a theme park I have ever seen in my near 50 years. EVER. When I have seen really bad parks that fail, in the real world, and wonder to myself "how on Earth could someone even think this was a good idea, this sort of person doesn't exist in reality", you've gone and shown me that people who design terrible parks do exist.

    I'm out, you obviously want to stick to crap and not have real feedback, so, I've got better things to do.



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  9. I think Anka Park is proof that quantity over quality simply doesn't work. Mind you they also have a little more than 3x our population, so imagine that in a country of 26 million. If Wonderland failed so miserably, what you are proposing has zero chance.. it would never ever work. If you want to talk realistic with actual rides any sane person opening a theme park would buy, then let's talk. That includes brand names, in other words.



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  10. On 20/09/2021 at 10:51 AM, Jobe said:

    From what I have heard these trains have done amazing things for this SLC. The reveiws I have read have all pointed to how smooth the ride experience is and also zero headbanging or any issues that plague other SLC's. I guess it proves that the SLC layout is actually excellent- it never lets up for pacing- and that quality trains can make a huge difference. If Arkham had received these trains its likely Movieworld would be facing a different scenario to the situation it is now in with this ride.

    In my final trip in 2019 I rode Riddler's Revenge at SFNE and it was great. This was just before I flew to EU for the final leg of the trip. I can compare directly with Energylandia's and say that that one is a bit better again. I have ridden Nor'Easter previously but not with the track changes, only the new trains, and I honestly don't remember it all that well as it was 10 years ago I think. I wasn't impressed much with Morey's at all, but I want to go back now that they have smoothed Great White out and done a lot of maintenance on the place, plus, Gale Force is nearby and that thing is airtime *madness* (note, you DO get a headache but it's worth it in this rare instance).

    Yes, SLC really are good coasters WITH the correct trains. Short but sweet, and the "non stop action" style pacing, also adds to why they feel short. Don't laugh, but the SLC layouts are more intense than most current B&M inverts IMO, as to me, B&M lost their cojones somewhere down the line.

    Believe it or not I came off those two and wanted more. A longer track with 2 more inversions and maybe a bunny hill. We were laughing the whole way and thinking "if only Lethal Weapon were this good". (We never rode it as Arkham and always have referred to it as Lethal Weapon, so, sorry about that but it's just me and my brain).

  11. 18 hours ago, MrLukeCarroll said:

    The ride cost ~$24million Aud and uses about 25% less track, seems to add up to me compared to Taipan's $30million and that's not counting the extra cost of shipping and construction here in Australia.

    Sorry I was only going by all my google searches, and I did more than one, that ST cost 32 million *USD*

    They have now changed it 32 AUD.

    Not my fault, and that's much more reasonable.


  12. 13 minutes ago, Whombex said:

    You, and about a quarter of the members here, are in a very small niche of being significant coasterheads. Which is fine.
    To general Aussie coaster fans, and the average person attending the park who doesn't get to ride the cutting-edge, world's-best coasters in the northern hemisphere, ST will be a very enjoyable ride for years to come. 

    You're 100% correct. Peace.

  13. 4 hours ago, iwerks said:

    Are we talking about the same Abyss? You guys never went on Arkham Asylum or the Gold Coaster?

    Abyss is better when sitting in the back row or riding first thing in the morning. I thought it operated better last season than it had the year before.

    When I rode GC it was called cyclone, last time at DW it was called HWS and I had no intention of queuing for it. I banged my head and I considered it "rough", say compared to Corkscrew (Sea Viper), but no where near as  bad as some other Arrow Coasters I have ridden, simply because it's so slow and boring that it actually isn't THAT violent.

    I smashed my ear really hard on Abyss. Hard. I didn't find it flat our rough but that constant rattle and I got a headache. It just didn't track all that well for a modern coaster, and I don't know if it's the cars or the track. I also need to be honest that I am tall and clear the restraints, my neck was hunched down looking at different things so it was my fault. It still was painful on my neck and shoulders though once I straightened myself up.

    Arkham Asylum I only rode as LW, never with the new trains, and I continued to torture myself on the day I was there and bash my head as I thought it was a great coaster (back then we didn't even have things like Superman let alone Rivals LOL). Last time I went to MW the queue was too long so I skipped it. 

    I mean we can all tolerate different things and are built differently. Abyss is a rough ride, but at least it has a payoff with that airtime hill, the jojo roll and a great drop and pacing :)

    But all these are nothing compared to things like Batman and Robin the Chiller (RIP) before they went to lap bars. I actually had a bleeding ear and went to SFGA first aid (2001) then the next year it was suddenly an amazing ride, albeit with very tight trains for taller folk. Desperado in Vegas was the roughest hyper I ever rode, I have been on it 23 times but I learned to ride it defensively lol. There are very rough steel coasters out there, and yes, compared to THAT, Abyss is not. But Abyss is too rough for an almost 8YO ride. Sorry but it is. That said, now you have wanted to make me ride it again LOL. Peace.

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  14. Geez we have gone OT, and totally my fault (sorry OP), but what the heck happened Adventure World? Gerstlauer? Sigh. Even the one time I rode it, all I wished the entire time was that it had the lap bar trains as I banged my ears. But now I actually don't want to go back to ride it again if it's even rougher now. I appreciate the heads up. I wanted to try the lap bar pendulum which hadn't quite opened yet, but not worth it to go to AW for just one ride. 

  15. 3 hours ago, Aw hype said:

    I doubt it.The Abyss has become an incredibly rough not so enjoyable ride. Line's never longer than 20 minutes, even in Summer. Lap bars may help with the headbanging, but its' realistically still going to ride like shit, I don't think the trains are designed for lap bars (nor would it be fun going through that 4.5 g dive loop wouldn't be fun with your legs tied down) and it doesn't make sense to reinvest in a coaster with such low ridership.

    It's become even worse over the last four years? Sigh. We get one of the top 5 Euro Coaster layouts in the world and one of the roughest at the same time. I did mean all  new cars though but I didn't know it was overall unpopular,  I only went once 4 years ago. 

  16. I like chairlifts for a chill out session and just to enjoy views of the park.. As much as I can marathon thrill rides, it's always nice to have a break with your partner and enjoy a leisurely lift ride. AV had a decent one over the water attractions area and a nice view of Abyss. (On a side note, is Abyss ever going to get lap bars)?

    Bummer really, I wonder why also. 

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  17. 18 hours ago, DaptoFunlandGuy said:

    2015 it was unexpectedly shut down when the primary restraint system failed and the restraint was only held by the secondary safety system. Still safe, but not ideal - and while i'm sure there are cases out there, I have personally not heard of any others.

    I didn't conveniently miss anything. Your primary statement was "waaaah, keep ride i like, get rid of ride I hate... or at least spend millions changing it to how I want it when it's already over 25 years old just because I said so".


    They just poured money into a refresh and refurb of Gold Coaster. It is CLEARLY worth the additional investment for the expected additional life remaining. On the flip side - they're eating a $10M loss on Buzz - despite as you point out having loads of parts and spares - because it is clearly not a feasible decision. 

    Yeah I didn't consider a single loop of track to be 'full' anything. But you do make a good point and i think the closest we can get to an answer is this coasterforce conversation that concluded it wasn't a full circuit or a shuttle but a 'hybrid'.

    Full circuit shuttle coasters definition | FORUMS - COASTERFORCE

    I would define a full circuit coaster as having several elements throughout the course. Buzzsaw has one. 

    Let's break it down:

    • Hangtime on the lift
    • The lift is terrifying till you clear it
    • Then you get an awesome shuttle section that leaves your guts at the top
    • Not to mention the roll at the top
    • upside down lift hill
    • heartline roll (at the top)
    • full speed shuttle section (on other coasters we call that "the first drop")

    And you still want to tell me it's not a one-trick pony? Maybe try looking it up. It literally goes up, does a single twist, and comes down. And this board is FILLED with people describing buzz as PRECISELY that definition. So even if you still disagree, you're in the minority

    Enjoy Magic Springs.


    I am not going to continue to argue.. reprofiling the first drop of GC and using the current track to modify the layout a bit would cost  MILLIONS? Seriously?

    And NO, the full speed shuttle section is not the "first drop".  It is actually  TWO large drops.  You are very condescending and sarcastic, so it's not really worth engaging with you further as you are some sort of admin here it seems, and it will go nowhere other than my ban. Say what you will. This is how I avoid personal conflict online and it's worked perfectly for 20 years. I just make a decision to ignore from a point onwards and stick to it.

    I even question your maths with the 10M loss, but OK. LOL.

    I'd take TOT and BS staying over GC any day. A thousand times over. I will not change my opinion on that. 




  18. 5 hours ago, DaptoFunlandGuy said:

    As I understand it, the control systems were the reason for the closure. As one of the earlier builds, they were outdated and too costly to update. Newer SLCs had updated systems and neither plays well with the other. That's my understanding anyway.

    You are allowed to have a differing opinion, so apologies if my response have come across that way. You are definitely in the minority regarding buzz though - but I suppose if we all liked the same thing it'd be a pretty boring place. 

    Fingers crossed you get your trip, and hopefully Magic Springs doesn't keep you from celebrating your 53rd milestone. (in other words, I hope you don't die). ;) 

    Thank you for that explanation. with LW/AA.. It's a pity, but it is what it is. If we get an RMC in its place I will be thrilled in any case. An RMC Raptor really is the right fit for that spot, it's like it was made for it. If Movie World decide to invest in another coaster, they really should look at RMC this time, as they have lost their only inverting coaster, and RMC provide a combination of inversions and airtime like no other, and a Raptor will FIT there, beautifully. I hope they do the right thing, as the solution is staring at them right in the face (of course relative to whatever their budget constraints are).

    Absolutely no apologies needed, thank you.. I would hope we are all made of thicker skin than that.

    It's probably me who needs to apologise, as I think I may have misrepresented myself regarding Buzzsaw.

    If this was like the USA or EU with coasters and parks everywhere, I wouldn't care in the slightest. It's because of what it was up against to begin with, and that's where I rated it fairly highly. I am sick of us losing major rides and I just can't fathom the fact that TOT *and* BS were gone within a few years of each other. Yes, I'd have a much better time at DW if both were still there, and that includes after ST opens. Right now I would only go to DW for one ride, and that's ST. isn't that a bit sad? Giant Drop does nothing for me really as it hasn't got the force of the older gen Intamin towers. Pitfall/Space Probe 7 etc. I'd ride it, the flying theatre, and ST. that's it. But Id' only actually GO cause ST is there. I will NOT queue for MDMC/Madagascar/GC/ or any other DW ride currently. That's an expensive day out for 3 rides. (Actually, just realised, Pandemonium was down the day I went last, so, maybe that too).

    Six Flags MM have tweaked Superman to go right up the tower and it's amazing backwards, why couldn't DW do the same? Just an example. I have never waited less than half hour for TOT even on a quiet weekday, it's not like nobody rode it.

    Hey, if we get a skyrocket II in place of Buzzsaw, I will be THRILLED and say "heck, what was buzzsaw"? LOL. Just an example. It's just that we have so little to begin with and it hurts every time we lose something, well to me it does.

    All kidding aside, as much as I dislike BD/Cyclone/HWS/GC, I honestly wouldn't want it demolished unless it was being directly replaced with a great custom coaster. Preferably an RMC Hybrid. Right now it serves a purpose to help dilute queue lines for other rides, and it looks nice at least, especially with the new colour scheme (finally)!

    RE LPS and moving rides - do you actually think, for example, that the new BD would be that fun if it was at another park out in the open? It's clearly the weakest single rail coaster currently built, no ride is needed to tell me that. But it will still be fun cause of how it's been shoehorned to fit specifically into that spot at LPS, and the atmosphere around it. But honestly, tell me that's the first single rail design you'd choose for a major park - what will happen if the neighbours complain again and they can't get it quiet enough and need to sell their BD all over again? I don't think anyone would think it was an ideal ride for their park, other than LPS. (I would have rather RMC built something insane for that spot, and they could have done it, but I believe the Raptors are too noisy for LPS. But yeah, another topic entirely now LOL)..............






  19. 1 hour ago, joz said:

    Custom stuff can be awesome, but it can also be a miss. I mean MDMC verses a standard Vekoma Motorbike coaster? Say no more.


    I think that the ride is obscure enough that it's 'As good as' a custom ride in Australia, and frankly if I were DW I'd want something I knew damn well was going to be a hit, not something that you couldn't verify until after it opened. I'd probably also ask MACk about turning the unused block brake into an airtime hill or two but what do I know.

    The MDMC vs factory Vekoma Motorbike is a great argument. Touche mate.

    And it IS good enough and it will be top 3 in OZ. It *should* be, if things go as planned, DC Rivals/Leviathan/ST. I am a bit worried about Leviathan as it's a twister layout and that is GCI's bread and butter, whereas GG coasters get rough very very quickly. In its first year I am predicting it will be top two, but that's another topic. I do think the first drop in the back seat will have extreme ejector airtime causes it's off of a rolling run, not a lift hill, so I am very excited about that. To do it backwards in back row and forwards in second to last back row :)

    I must admit I do love hang time and ST has some crazy hang time towards the end for sure. I am impressed with the MCBR being very weak on the POV I have so far seen, but I wonder if that's because the train just isn't hitting the speed required for the brake to engage as they are empty trains. Still, as I said, the rear spinning car and back spike will elevate it beyond a standard BF clone. I think for me, it will crack top 50 WW in the spinning car, but even that depends on how much Mack and Dreamworld have decided to limit the magnet controlled spinning. I hope they do go extreme on it, as I saw when they had the temporary 4 car spinner at the end of BF, which I sadly never got to ride.

  20. 10 hours ago, DaptoFunlandGuy said:

    By all accounts, the park couldn't make the payments rather than rejecting the ride. I don't think that should reflect poorly on the ride itself.

    Not to mention, I believe it was just a SLOT they couldn't pay for. This ride design \ type \ special features weren't necessarily part of the previous agreement as far as i'm aware.

    Oh come on man, I did not mean it like that. Wow it seems people here can be so cynical and automatically think the worst.

    I just mean it was not built for us and we paid top dollar, it was built for another park. 

    Honest question:

    Would you rather Steel Taipan or something custom like Helix? If you genuinely prefer BF clones, then I'll respect your opinion. I would have preferred something like Ride to Happiness first, and Helix a close second, and BF very last out of the Mack options. The rear spike and spinning car are the saving grace, but a BF clone is a BF clone and I've ridden 2 of them (the original and Dubai). They are OK at best with one single pop of air and a leisurely feel. Yes, Dreamworld wanted something fast, they couldn't have predicted the pandemic, but that decision cost us a much, much better custom coaster. Even Ride to Happiness was cheaper than Steel Taipan LOL, and obliterates it in every way. Note, I can only go by a European review of someone I trust, obviously I haven't ridden RTH - but he's put it in his top 5 of all time and I believe him. Next year I'll find out for myself. Can't wait. Helix I can vouch for personally, it's my number 5 coaster of all time. Stronger launches would have made it number 2. BF at Europa Park is not even in my top 100. Sorry, again just my 2C.




  21. 9 hours ago, Jobe said:



    Yeah I cannot agree with you here. Respect your opinion , but the Gold Coaster is nowhere near the worst Arrow layout ever made. Yes it was designed for and specifically built for LPS and whilst I do kind of agree that it was best in that location, as it stands now at Dreamworld, its actually a good fit. When it was first placed up there in the early 2000's it was a carpark coaster and quite bereft of anything that made it special at LPS- namely the closeness of the cliff and the out and back feel of the helix floating behind Coney Island. All this was pre Whitewater World. Now that WWW has grown organically around it, the coaster feels so much more settled and "permanent" in nature and there is a true sense that it belongs there. The helix around the slide tower provides excellent kinetic energy for WWW but it also provides a sense of journey for the riders of Gold Coaster, as they travel around its layout. Gold Coaster's worst and unforgivable feature is the queue line which successive rethemes have not completely fixed to be honest. Yes the relocation has made it much more rougher than what it was when it was at LPS however, with the newer Vekoma trains and the much better vest restraints, this is somewhat mitigated. (However in saying that , I do miss the original trains with the red LED lighting down the side- they looked sick at night when it ran at LPS).

    So in summary I would definitely remove Buzzsaw before even considering removing Gold Coaster.

    I do agree that its a shame that it will more than like leave Australian shores- thats the unfortunate harsh reality- and no one likes to see coaster counts reduce , especially in a country like Australia where our coaster count is not huge. I would be happy to see one of our smaller parks pick this ride up ( its an absolute bargain, given its age etc) but its not looking likely by any account or people in the know.

    I did mean layout, so I am glad you included that. It's not the worst Arrow coaster by a long shot, but the layout is basically 100% dead track with 2 inversions at the end. In LPS I considered it smooth. The ops on the night I went were enthusiasts and we discussed things for hours - they were so excited about the Big Dipper. There's other CRAZY things that happened that night but I won't even bother as no one will believe me, but I'll fondly remember it as one of the most fun nights and very early into my love of coasters.


    I appreciate your opinion and respect it. I just happen to hate the coaster.. Note, I only rode it at LPS at night and DW during the day. I  haven't ridden with the new Vekoma trains, and as long as it doesn't bang my head again (which it now won't), I'll be happy to re ride it once or twice.


    I have absolutely no nostalgia when it comes to coasters. It's just the way I am.. EG. If I had my way, LPM would tear down the Scenic Railway whereas most enthusiasts appreciate it being a classic of a bygone era (and it's heritage trust now anyway so can't go anywhere). So I feel nothing towards Gold Coaster, other than it's a bad ride. That's how I judge coasters, purely on whether I enjoy them. If I had a choice, I would ride Buzzsaw over GC, and that's my current opinion. 


    I'm fully vaxxed, so I am hoping I can go OS soon, and if OS travel is allowed by next US/EU summer, I'll see if my opinion changes then when I hit up Magic Springs. Maybe I am remembering it too fondly, and maybe cause it was the most thrilling coaster we had at the time I rode it. It's possible., I mean Rivals wasn't even built yet. If OS travel is not allowed next year, then it will have to be 2023, but I'll be past 50, and I really want to do a large 20 year anniversary trip for my 50th. (my largest trip ever was in 2002 with 90 days total - trips since have been shorter, then I had back damage and have been taking it easy for a while now).


    More unpopular opinion - Had Movie world invested in the superb SLC updated trains from Vekoma themselves, I'd place AA as a top 3 Aussie coaster. I love the layout, intensity and pacing. If you've ridden one of the SLC's with these trains I am sure you would agree. I can not believe they are closing it, and it was never unpopular anyway. Another one bites the dust.


    9 hours ago, Baconjack said:

    Haha what? Lemme go through this post one by one.

    A certain park on the Sunshine Coast, a certain park a few kilometres down the road, and a certain park in Sydney would all disagree with that statement (to think about it, most of the wild mouse coasters we have/had are good ones haha)

    So what? Both of these examples were nearing the end of their lives. DW was quite fortunate to get ToT and Wipeout operational as long as they were able to given how both were in and out of operation in their last years. They didn't just say 'fuck it, we're removing rides to make the park smaller' it was a byproduct of decades of sub par maintenance and at the end of the day is what will happen when you are running rare ride types or prototype rides. Buzzsaw was the same. Replacements will come in time, a Wipeout replacement is more than likely in the pipeline.

    Again, so what?

    In 2019 you had 4 average at best coasters, to now a good one and two average coasters. I've said it before but i'll repeat it, but I'll take a good ride in Steel Taipan over a bone rattly tin can and a 'flagship attraction' that barely made it halfway up the tower in its last years. I'm sure most people on this forum think similarly. I get DW is in a bad spot atm but the reason we aren't complaining about it is because Buzzsaw's replacement is opening in a few months.

    Gold Coaster is a boring ride but in comparison to Buzzsaw it is no wonder why Dreamworld decided to spend money giving it new trains, a paint job, and a retheme, the like. The ride is built like a tank. Buzzsaw on the other hand was barely able to stay open especially in the last 5 years. Anyone who kept a close eye on Dreamworld in that time would be able to tell you this.

    The numerous Buzzsaw lap bar failures would like to disagree.

    The day I went it was up and reliable. What do you want me to say? 

    Also, why does it matter for people to keep telling me "and others here would agree".

    Why on Earth would I care what others at a forum prefer? My opinion is my opinion. I'd bulldoze GC in a heartbeat. I despise it. Just accept it, or don't. I need a coaster to be thrilling. I won't be conforming cause of what others think. I've done enough coasters to know what I like.


    My opinions are generally unpopular and I've always been accustomed to that. For example, my favourite B&M hyper is Apollo's Chariot, and only in the very back row. In the front I don't even rate it but I only care about the fun I personally had in the back row, on a dead day with over 30 rides including a triple cycle to close the day. It doesn't make top 100 for most people. But because of the pre drop, which B&M doesn't do any more, it makes the first main drop leave my tummy at the top and me completely out of my seat. Nitro, Intimidator, Diamondback don't have the same effect on the first drop. That is why I also love Raging Bull (back seat again only) more than all the others (2nd place for me). My favourite sensations are, in order 1) dropping and leaving guts at top, hopefully combined with airtime 2)Zero G/Barrel Rolls 3) Stalls 4) Dive loops. I can take or leave everything else. It's just me.


    As far as the wild mouse, I have ridden them ALL in OZ, and again, I stand by my opinion that nothing came close to the mine ride. I am 6ft 4 and the head choppers were insane. It was so uniquely themed, it was like a terrain mouse, built into the slope of the artificial mountain. Mad Mouse at Melb show was fun. LPS Mouse is fun BUT the last time I rode that was the same night as big dipper, and from recent POVs it seems they trim it now. Location is fantastic though.

    Blackpool Mouse would be tied with Mine Ride as number one for me, but that is now gone as well. Out of the current mice? Dark Knight, Scooby and LPS, of course. IMO. Now there's a ride I hope they keep forever, the wild mouse LPS.

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  22. Yes.

    Classic or not, GC is simply the worst Arrow looper layout ever made, ever. Its ONLY saving grace was its location when it was built. It's a terrible, terrible coaster and I stand by my words. Why is BS a one trick pony? You get insane hangtime on the lift, the lift is terrifying till you clear it, especially after what happened at Magic Springs, and then you get an awesome shuttle section that leaves your guts at the top. Not to mention the roll at the top. I am seeing three tricks here - upside down lift hill, heartline roll and full speed shuttle section. I'd happily ride it many times in a day and get thrilled every time. BS is the only coaster I have ever been scared on, EVER, and that's because of the lift hill situation. I like being scared, it's a nice addition to being thrilled.

    Can you please tell me what safety issues it has had that make it unique in that department vs other coasters, same with maintenance? 

    By the way, Buzzsaw is technically full circuit, it goes around the original circuit completely after a lift hill. You are thinking of launched shuttle coasters that don't have joined track at both ends.

    Buzzsaw is not unsafe. What happened at Magic Springs was a freak, and one of only 5 times in the world a coaster has gotten stuck upside down. In all of documented history. The fact that it DID happen though is what makes it scary. To me anyway. My then BF and I both enjoyed it equally, many times during our visit. If I had been allowed to leave my state and DW was open at the time, I'd have gone for a final marathon of 50 rides if I could have gotten them in in a day before it closed for good.

    PS you conveniently missed out where I said the ride could be improved if not removed, for example, profiling the ridiculous near horizontal drop (J/K but it's bad), to actually be steep and could then deliver airtime, as well as drastically improving the ride overall. Some of the middle dead track area could be changed around also.

    PPS I put my money where my mouth is - Magic Springs got added to my park destinations for my marathon trip next year, after Buzzsaw was announced as closing. I would like to enjoy a skyloop again on my trip.

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  23. The spinning car will be mental, especially if Mack are allowing it to spin up the rear spike.. spinning airtime! I hope they don't neuter the spinning too much with the magnets. I think for a park reject, DW paid way too much for this (unless they are wrong, Wikipedia claim 32,000,000 USD)!, and for that insane money I would have much preferred a custom looper with much better drops and airtime, but hey, we are in OZ, and I'll take what I can get. I will be there day one to ride it.

  24. I am probably the only one here that is absolutely gutted Buzzsaw has closed.. The only Maurer Skyloop in the Southern Hemisphere and one of very few in the world, I find them absolutely terrifying in the best way possible, and I love the final back and forth shuttle run in the very back seat.. I don't understand the hate.. At 403 coasters, I have ridden a ton of bad ones (the worst ever in my lifetime being the long defunct Hercules at Dorney Park), and this rates no where near the worst. 

    With Steel Taipan close by, and a new paint job (maybe jet black track and orange supports to flip the ST theme)?, and a rename, this could have finally gained some popularity, say to ride before or after ST.

    Dreamworld had the best Wild Mouse on the planet when it was open, and it's gone. They had one of only 2 Intamin Reverse Freefall Coasters on the planet, and it's gone. They had a very unique and fun flat ride, and it's gone. They keep killing off major rides but to lose TWO major coasters in a few years is insanity to me. I mean the park has literally gone from 9 "big thrills" to 6 LOL (and I never counted Mick Doohan as a thrill ride of any kind anyway, so 5).

    The sale price they are asking is around 1/10th of what they paid for Buzzsaw.. and apparently there are tons of spare parts included.. So WHY not at least TRY to revamp it and just give it one more shot now that ST will draw more attention to it? Would it hurt them financially that much? More than losing 6.2 million AUD on the resale? I guess maybe it will, otherwise they would?

    I honestly "feel" like buying it at that price and installing it on a plot of land in the country. Of course I won't, cause it would eat almost my entire savings and I could not maintain it and could never make money off it, but the thought seriously did cross my mind momentarily.

    So Dreamworld has now gone to a 4 coaster park, with guess what, ONE good one! (when it opens).

    If they really want to remove coasters so much, kill off that horrible Arrow Looper or reprofile it at least to make it a good coaster, starting with a much steeper first drop. Something. Or have RMC do their first steel to steel conversion. (The reason I hate the now named Gold Coaster is because it was specially designed and even lightly themed for an exact location at LPS, and it's a ridiculous coaster where it is now - at least with the interaction it was almost fun at LPS, but I digress)

    Buzzsaw, no matter what you think of it, was still a major ride at a park that has lost too many.. I'd be much more ok with it if they had a replacement planned, but they don't. My 2C.

    Anyway, RIP Buzzsaw, and I hope Luna Park Melbourne buys you. Truly. Or Aussie World. Or heck, even movie world to replace AA (but truthfully, I want a mega lite inverting coaster there or a storm chaser style RMC).







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  25. 55 minutes ago, Gazza said:

    Could you go to SFFT yourself at the end?

    From cleveland? Well I guess so.. I do have friends in San Antonio and also another couple close by... I guess I could fly there from CLE and then maybe even take the houston/Sydney route home. Food for thought. I've never done an organised coaster tour group.. i've always spent months planning my own, always starting in late May through end June.. I've only ever missed a couple I wanted to ride that way and lines were bearable in all cases, except SFMM, but i'd now probably get the paid flash pass thingie, I never want to wait that long for X again LOL. Anyway point being, would be nice for someone else to do all the work for a change.. 

    Will we have any ERT? I would never go with TPR as I think i'd end up head butting Alvey, so no biggie if no ERT but would be good if OP is contacting parks to see if any can be arranged. 

    Back to SFFT though, there are a couple of completely pointless parks in the tour where I am sure if a poll was made to lose them and add SFFT, SFFT would win. OP seems a bit resistant to interested user input? We'll see.

    Hmm I do like the second tour a lot more.. still also sad neither has BGW which is another must.. Apollo's chariot in the back is one of the most underrated B&M experiences ever. I'd honestly add that and SFGA for el toro which is mind blowing and lose some others.. I'd design the first one totally different (and yes, I do understand he wants it to flow into the second).. I've done every park from Orlando up on the I-95 with a slight deviation for carowinds, and trust me, BGW and SFGA are musts. 

    For me it's just not long enough to only do the second tour, which is why I would have liked to do both, but the first one is just not great.. Even wild adventures.. not needed.. magic springs.. not needed...

    Beach, not needed...

    Anyway that's my input..

    PS believe it or not the new texas giant is not all that great..It's certainly better than what was there but it's kinda..meh.. which you'll see for yourselves.. However I've not ridden Steel vengeance so can't say for sure but by POV, steel vengeance literally looks twice as good. It looks amazing, actually, especially in the back seat.

    PPS Maybe in my case I need to design my own first half and meet with you guys in Texas..That could work. I'll keep en eye out for more info, solid pricing etc...


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