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Yeah, It is a good sign that the company can do well with a park and doesn't just go to the lowest bidder with ride equipment, but DW and WWW are separate...it is nice they are spending $60 mil on waterparks, how about sharing more around to fix DWs issues?

Thought I might throw a cracker into the argument about a coaster going in at a water park, but a Portuguese water park has installed a Mack water coaster to its line up. The videos on the site just show everyone riding it in their swimmers, so I guess that answers the question about whether it would be acceptable to do that on our ride. See http://www.aquashowpark.com/EN/

Plus people seem to be conveniently ignoring some key issues: Having one of your coasters down for 6 months is something "wrong",( they could have built a new ride in that time so they could have at least fixed an exisiting one) Having poor quality F&B at the highest prices is something "wrong". Running GD with 6 seats is something "wrong". (and other rides at low capacity for that matter) Closing old rides and not replacing them is something "wrong". Being uncompetitive with capital spending is something "wrong" I would like to see how people can explain away these problems...

Well then that is just the general opinion. I think you are making another sweeping statement though, I mean people think the new coaster is a good move dont they? No need for the attitude, Ill think whatever I want too depending on the situation, I dont just go and say stuff is bad without reason, and I dont have a cynical bias against the place, I just do think it has issues. Thought I might clarify what people are saying. Obviously you visited the park on a quiet day (eg only 20 people in line for the TOT) so no matter what you wouldn't have to wait long since the rides weren't being stretched to the limit. Also, you went on a school day, so that would make the park quiet. The issue is efficiency and capacity, when you get those crowded days the lines move too slowly Things such as 4 person boats on the log ride, Only a single train on cyclone, understaffing etc etc all make lines move slowly. Now, at MW by comparison They have plenty of staff running the rides, on the big coasters on busy days they have two 20 person trains running, SDSC can handle tons of cars at once, the shows at MW have lots of seating etc etc. To sum up, both parks are fine on quiet days, but DW has slower lines on busy days. I thought attendance was down though; http://www.roller-coaster.com.au/article.php?aid=150

OK look, I think I was too subtle, so Ill just repost what I said in the post you didn't read. Well, it has been clarified on Ozcoaster that Ian did not give permission for his pics to be used, nor was he quoted. Now, how could he have an agreement with the GCB if he didn't give them permission in the first place?

Shame you didn't read the post made two ahead of yours, before typing your glorious 195th post

Yes you did: Then why tell us to It seems stupid that you are free to think the place is great, but we aren't free to think it's not so great. The issue was never about MW v DW, those comparisons simply come up because MW is one of the competition to compare with. It is also not about whether we wanted X attraction to be built but it wasn't so people are peeved. The issue is about the declining standards in many aspects of the parks operation. Again, I cant stress enough for you to read earlier posts (post #8 by me, and the posts by Richo and T-Bone preceding it) They raise important points that cant just be dismissed. Who knows why this whole debate is happening, it could just be you have lower standards for the parks, while others don't really like mediocrity. While I would pick a B&M over a Vekoma, I think you need to keep in mind the ride was built in 1995. Vekoma would have been a cheaper choice, less risky for a 4 year old park. I think also the ride was sold to the park with the promise of high quality.I actually made a thread about it ages ago, but there was something interesting in one of the educational sheets for MW: http://www.parkz.com.au/forums/in...post&id=181 Hindsight is a powerful thing. But i mean, this is an issue with an individual ride, not like parkwide problems that affect DW.

Well, it has been clarified on Ozcoaster that Ian did not give permission for his pics to be used, nor was he quoted.

That sounds a bit odd to me, VRTP employees (Joz, DjRappa, Rabid to name a few) actually seem more level headed than most forum members. 'Full Day' is such a subjective thing though, SW is most definitley a full day park, WnW would be one too. The amount of time you spend is really up to the individual. I have said this before, but maybe the reason MW isn't a full day park is because you spend less time queueing and more time riding. Im sure many members on here have done a SE marathon....try doing that on the TOT or Cyclone. I think the general consensus is that DW has pretty bad queues; Cyclone, GD, TOT in particular. The Log ride, Thunder river and Eurkea get bad too, I think you are glossing over the truth. Regardless they have the worst queues of all the GC parks and that perhaps contributes to their reputation. In fact Richo wrote IMO one of the best articles on this site about the DW capacity issue back in R-Cs early days, have a read here: http://www.roller-coaster.com.au/article.php?aid=14 Having a record, having held one in the past, or having some other interesting tidbit does not make a ride good or bad. Who cares if the Claw is the only one in the Southern Hemisphere? There are bugger all parks in the southern hemisphere anyway. And so what about a ride holding a record, I had a look at last years results for the Mitch Hawkers Steel Coaster poll, and of the the top 20, only one has held a world record (Millennium force) MW ticks all thoses boxes too. On a side note children's areas are done pretty nicely by all our parks, its not really part of the issue. No one interested? I guess that is why the topic on it is 9 pages long and people keep asking for photos, and people are happy about it: Coaster Boy 8: I like it how there are going to be to intamin accelerater coaster on the Gold Coast smile.gif. Aidan: That is so cool! this is going to be great, couldnt have asked anything better myself. Chaos-Maniac: That's awesome. Richard, can you confirm this, at all? Stardust: that sounds so cool! i hope its true! how long would it take for it to be ready? like 1 yr, 2 yrs, more, less? Adam: It would be great to see Dreamworld get a new Intamin coaster. D.C: Good stuff! OzCoaster Freek: This could be a great addition to Dreamworld The sound: Hooray! I'm very excited about this one. Tom: I'm excited about it!! smile.gif Myk: I am sooooo excited :]I hope it has inversions. Cant be stuffed posting any more examples, the moral of the story is, don't make sweeping statements based on the way something "seems". I think most people are pretty excited. Its just that all is happening is footings are being poured, which isn't as exciting as seeing the track being built. Yeah, but WWF is still better ... The issue runs deeper than park maintenance, it is the general trend of the place over the years, see my previous post... But people do make constructive criticisms, and everyone has points of views, not everyone is a fanboy who sucks up to everything parks do, sometimes they do stuff we love, and sometimes they do stuff we hate. People who say stuff like "Just be happy we have blah blah blah" annoy me, we fork out $60 to visit, why cant we expect standards to be met?

Rocky hollow is a part of DW. It IS where the log ride is. BB cafe is also part of it. Its not much of a themed area though.

Oh, forgot about that big thunder river rehab where they took all of the water out of the system, but I don't remember a general clean up, either way it wasn't a re theme as it is still very much the same gold rush. Re your post before, my favourite areas of DW were the ones still in their original state, so river town and gold rush for example, though Nick central is OK.

^It got a new fibreglass sign if that counts.

Ah, this age old debate, time for me to dip in... Well that is blatant fanboyisim for ya. As Richo has said all parks have problems, but it is a complete joke to say there is nothing wrong with DW: -Lower theming standards compared to other parks -On a ride by ride basis MWs coasters could be viewed as superior to DWs equivalents (The launchers, the loopers, the kids coasters and the mad mouses) -Worst F&B coupled with highest prices. -Horrendous capacity/efficiency on key attractions (GD and Cyclone in particular) -Have failed to grow overall park capacity in line with attendance growth, have actually closed major attractions without suitable replacement (Eg Chairlift, Thunderbolt) -Park is actually getting smaller, for example with the loss of blue lagoon, continued lack of utilisation of the thunderbolt site (While WWW has effectively replaced Blue Lagoon, it still remains that you are getting less for your money with the DW line up) -Lower levels of cleanliness and upkeep. -Lack of major investment in the park, spends less on rides/attractions than other parks. I mean MW has done pretty major things, rides like SDSC and SE have both cost $12 million, WWF cost $20 million back in the day, they even spent $5 million on a filler attraction like Batwing, DW typically spends half as much as MW, The Claw was $6 million for instance, Cyclone was $5.5 million. I give DW credit for building a new coaster though -Declining attendance, it doesn't really effect us but something is wrong with the place if that is happening, considering the GC is in a boom at the moment. Agreed, DWs coaster fill out the park, but there is nothing noteworthy about them, Reptar is a cloned kids coaster, TOT was impressive when it was new, but better launch technology and better applications of this technology have left it in the cold (SE beats it pretty well in terms of theming, excitment, forces, capacity etc), Eurkea is an old favourite, too bad its not going. Again rides like SDSC have beaten it, with a longer, better themed ride with less of a queue. As for Cyclone, its OK, but nothing "awesome". Its fellow Arrow cousin down on the spit is a better, smoother ride, and you dont have to wait an hour to get on it. You could also do a lot better...... One thing DW does have going for it is its size, but quantity alone doesn't make a good park, and it is evident a lot of people feel this way. And I 100% agree with Richo and T-Bones' sentiments, the place had a magic about it when it was 10 years ago and commercialism was less rampant in the park, and they were building ground breaking stuff like GD and TOT within years of each other, but the place has changed, and at the same time MW has jumped in front with its standards, making DW look pale in comparison. But Ill end on this note, if "people [are] always been (sic) down on dreamworld" then it is clear that the park isn't meeting their expectations. I mean if there was this one person who was a little bugger on the forums and just did nothing but bash DW without reason then I could see how you would get frustrated, but the thing is many people are displeased with the state of the place...can you really say all these people are wrong? You cant expect to be like a real estate agent and say "nah nah, there's nothing wrong, a lick of paint and it will be fine" and have people just agree with you.

Unfortunatley I dont know how to get on to them directly, but surely LPS management would have to deal with them from time to time and would hold their contact details.

They have copied from everywhere though, i mean the other pics are the ones from RCDB: http://www.rcdb.com/ig1826.htm?picture=8 and http://www.rcdb.com/ig1826.htm?picture=2

LOL, maybe the GC bulletin finally discovered R-C & Ozcoaster, bit slow on the uptake though, the ride has been sitting there in the flesh for what, 3 months? Even the G-C bulletin is into plagiarising now, not just the domain for smaller coaster sites and DW managment

Has anyone got a link to the full article?

Well, I'm not 100% on whether I am right or not, I do remember back at primary school there was a particular day of the week preps didn't come, so I sort of put two and two together in terms of the reasoning for the play pass only being valid one day of the week. Im probably wrong but I thought something along those lines could have been the reason.

Geeze! We're not even half way through the year and they have already hit 1 million, I hope this trend continues...who would have thought the first park here to hit the magic 2 million would have been a water park.

It only the play pass that is valid on tuesdays, I think the reason is because children in kindy and prep have tuesdays off.

Student Pass! :D :D Hopefully they will offer a WWW only version of that one, definitely on my shopping list for next year.

Well, Skeetafly has said in the past that he is a draftsman, so being involved in the construction industry means he might have encountered at some point the costs and technical constraints associated with fire systems, after all he would have to draw them in according to regulations. And Richo, i dont know if you still get shareholder reports still for MLT, but if you do, has there been any reference to the extended closure of the ride?

Well, I suppose that is at least a plausible explanation since the installation of a new fire system can be quite expensive, perhaps too expensive for an attraction that DW could very well be looking to get rid of in the future (SE is a good example of this, the reason the queue and dark ride section have a lattice roof is because it would have cost hundreds of thousands to build a new fire system at the new roof level) Though the fact the info came from a BB security guard sounds a bit dodgy since they wouldn't have any first hand knowledge of what is really going on.

Im saying its still the status quo since they still have the same amount of rides as last year.

Yes, it's a classic, though it seems as if Richo has lost all hope about its future: http://www.roller-coaster.com.au/coaster.php?cid=3 <Bangs head against wall> Could you quit posting half baked ideas with a " " smilie at the end! I'd love to see a Mega coaster built as much as the next person, but there is no point going off topic with random ideas that DW will never do.