JeffreyMoore
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There's a few things to mention about this. Firstly, the thing about the amusement industry is you don't add new attractions because the park is successful, you add then to make your park successful. Wonderland was left to rot and die on the vine by Sunway. There's no other good reason why the park failed. There were a few creative things done by park management to try to save it, but Sunway were uninterested in investing to make the park work. I also think under performing is different to generating a loss. Wonderland opened with huge attendance predictions that it never hit, but businesses don't run for 30 years without making money. It must have done 'OK', just never as high as the lofty predictions. Sydney has a bit of a history of attractions opening with high expectations that aren't met (Sega World, Fox Studios, Wonderland) Then you've got Wet 'n' Wild however. They set themselves a huge goal of around 900,000 a year when they thought they were going to open in September. They're going to get reasonably close with a fair chunk of the calendar taken away with a late opening. I think it's fair to say that the early results have been massively promising. To say a company like Village Roadshow, who are talking openly about having a desire to open new parks would never be interested in building a full scale park in Sydney is pessimistic. They nearly built one in Melbourne, and they've now got a pretty decent toe hold on Sydney, and think about how successful they have been about turning one successful property into 5 successful properties on the Gold Coast. I think it'll take the continued success of Wet 'n' Wild for Village to consider a full park seriously, but I wouldn't be surprised if it they did consider it down the line. I also think that a next generation full park in Sydney is inevitable. Wether it's Village or someone else is anyone's guess.
while I agree with what you have said I just feel if there was ever any other interest in building a theme park in Sydney thay would have saved wonderland off sunway
I maybe - am wrong too just what I think would have happened
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if VRTP have ever been looking at a theme park in Sydney im sure thay whould have saved wonderland whould have been much cheaper then starting a new park
I don't see them building a new theme park other then WNWS
if wonderland chould not make a profit that made it worth adding new rides other then the couple it did in its 19 years
while I hope its not true I don't see much chance of a theme park the size of wonderland - gold coast parks been built in Sydney - NSW again
when wonderland was sold to sunway in 1997 the partners that built the park sold out as thay said it was a under performing asset even back then that it sold for 15 million less then it cost to build the park in 1984-85
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while it will be good to see a new wonderland open in Sydney its a shame there is no business case to use the hanna barbera franchise in todays market
just wont ever feel the same for me without the hanna barbera characters but here's hopeing thay can get a licence to a franchise of some sort ?
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Comeing december in todays add in the gold coast bulletin
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I know each time I say it everyone is like what but I say add hanna barbera - cartoon network ip along with looney tunes to kids wb there owned by warner and hanna barbera worked very well at australia's wonderland for 16 years alot of sydney miss hanna barbera land and whould enjoy bringing there kids to something thay grew up with
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is it just me or whould it seem to be perfect for dreamworld and also to re name it thunderbolt 2 ?
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im sure after 31 years the track whould have alot of rust from been lift sbno for such a long time ?
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i dont know if it did not operate at a profit at some point in its 19 years just know it was reported as makeing a loss in its early years and by sunway when thay decided to close the park in 2004
and that it was sold at a loss of 15 million on the cost to build the park in 1984-6 to sunway in 1997
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im sure it whould have cost more the main reason the park had the hanna barbera licence in the first place was the its owner taft broadasting built and part owned the park
but by 2002 warner brothers owned hanna barbera and im guessing thay whould have increased the licence fee or just did not wish to renew the licence as thay were opening the scooby doo spooky coaster at movie world
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when
james hardie 23.75 %
jacor-taft broadcasting 23.75
sas trustee corp 33.75%
leighton holdings 18.75 %
sold australia's whonderland to sunway for 50 million in 1997 that was at a loss of 15 million on the cost of building the park in 1984-6
its not known what profit - any profit the park made in its first 11 years that mite have made up for that 15 million lost or even covered the cost of the beach - demon and space probe added in 1988-1992-1995
when sunway sold the park in 2004 for 52 million thats only 2 million more then it cost them in 1997
who knows if the park ever run at a profit between 1997 - 2004 as it seems it never made enoth profit to make it worth adding any new rides - id think it whould have been running at a loss from around 2001 - 2004 for sure
so with the cost of closeing hanna barbera land in 2002 and removeing the licence then moveing the rides around the park - buying the marvel licence
and the cost of closeing the park and demo cost i dont think sunway whould have made much if anything from the park overall
just how i see it anyway
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seal harbour was on the v i p pass ad on tv today ?
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yes thats also something thats gone from the parks back in the dayHappy staff and being able to take your own lunch in...... Well the question doesn't say it has to be a ride!!!!!
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yes i also miss TOPS myer center very much also had some very good times there as a kid it seems our kids will never get rides as good as what we had as kids witch is a real shame- Looney Tunes River Ride - Batman Adventure The Ride #1 - Bermuda (when everything was working as it should) While they were relatively crap, I think both Grundy's in Surfers Paradise, and Tops in the Myer Centre (particularly the latter) are kind of missed. I'm not really their target audience anymore, but I would have taken my kids there.
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hi guys just whould like to here what you guys and girls remember about the parks as kids that are now gone and that you miss most the things i miss most are 1 - the australian country jamboree -dreamworld 1982-2001 2 - waner brothers classics & the great gremlins adventure - movie world 1991-2001 3 young einstein's gravity homestead - movie world 1991-2000 4 batman adventure the ride 1 - movie world 1992-2001 5 looney tunes river ride movie world -1991-2011 lots of other things also but just some of the things i remember and miss so much
also really miss HANNA BARBERA LAND at australia's wonderland even tho it was in nswhi guys just whould like to here what you guys and girls remember about the parks as kids that are now gone and that you miss most the things i miss most are 1 - the australian country jamboree -dreamworld 1982-2001 2 - waner brothers classics & the great gremlins adventure - movie world 1991-2001 3 young einstein's gravity homestead - movie world 1991-2000 4 batman adventure the ride 1 - movie world 1992-2001 5 looney tunes river ride movie world -1991-2011 lots of other things also but just some of the things i remember and miss so much
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if u ever do a new video u should show the front side the big red car ride building near billabong as it was once the koala theater and home of the australian country jamboree
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sorry to say but there's no chance of them bring it back i know we all wish things we loved about the parks that have been closed and replaced will be returned but it does not happen i miss the studio tour - the grate gremlins adventure - young einstein's gravity homestead - police academy stunt show - batman adventure the ride 1 - the looney tunes river ride the park was once so much better then it is today but its never going to be the same again
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1997 ? scooby doo was not built until 2001-2002 ?No, you are all wrong. When MACK built Scooby, Dreamworld got MACK to build a proprietary pumping station which services both the River Rapids, Log Ride and the Blue Lagoon slides. I know because I was there in 1997 when this all happened....
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funny thing is speedy taxi's is the only original ride left from movie worlds 1991 opening so take that away ands theres very little of the original movie world left
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seth macfarlane is doing a flintstones reboot series starting 2013
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yes and i whould love to see something new in the park thats not dc comic's related hence why revamping the kids wb area works both ways
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does anyone think that villige will or should refurb - revamp the kids wb area to help combat dreamworks at dreamworld after all thay can use the looney tunes river ride replacement as the center piece of the refurb
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how many times do u have to say say that timewarner own hanna barbera thay dont have to get a licence to use any hanna barbera property as its there own company
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WTF is Waner Bros and why do you keep saying that????? Clearly you are still in primary school, and maybe you watch HB, which is great that someone is, but i guarantee you not many kids these days are begging their parents to get foxtel so they can watch 'Boomerang' and 1980/90s cartoon repeats. HB as a licence, is not relevant - no matter which way you look at it. Not today, and not in the last 5-10 years really. It's classic, it was great, but not relevant. They just removed Lethal Weapon's themeing as the movie was no longer relevant and 'out of date' with the target market, and you're saying they should put in HB?? Hmm... what would get the kiddies more interested... Bugs Bunny or Captain Caveman? What planet are you from?
the looney tunes are older then any hanna barbera property? but i know there not going to put hb into the park all i was saying was its a licence thay already own going to waste and what makes u think thay have to theme a ride to hanna barbera just adding fred - yogi etc walking around thr park - kids wb whould be a good startWTF is Waner Bros and why do you keep saying that????? Clearly you are still in primary school, and maybe you watch HB, which is great that someone is, but i guarantee you not many kids these days are begging their parents to get foxtel so they can watch 'Boomerang' and 1980/90s cartoon repeats. HB as a licence, is not relevant - no matter which way you look at it. Not today, and not in the last 5-10 years really. It's classic, it was great, but not relevant. They just removed Lethal Weapon's themeing as the movie was no longer relevant and 'out of date' with the target market, and you're saying they should put in HB?? Hmm... what would get the kiddies more interested... Bugs Bunny or Captain Caveman? What planet are you from?
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WTF dude? Firstly, learn to spell?? What the hell is Whonderland? There isnt a silent H after every word starting with W. Waner Bros?? Secondly, HB at Wonderland worked well because HB cartoons were still on TV! Ask anyone under the age of 15 who Snagglepuss, Dino or TopCat are and they would have no clue! Most would only know of Fred Flintstone because he is a pop culture reference and Yogi because they made a terrible live action/CGI film a couple years ago. Just because you own a property doesnt mean it will work in todays market, and owning a property in cinematic form does not mean you own the rights and licences to develop rides and amusements for it.
waner bro's own hanna barbera not just the cinamatic rights that why all new shows - movies made from or based on hanna barbera property's are made by waner bro's becouse thay own them and most hanna barbera shows are still on pay tv channel boomerang so im sure more kids whould know them more then u think thay also sell hanna barbera dvd's and toys in australia so someone must know who thay are im just saying that more hanna barbera property's in the park along side looney tunes whould be a good addition to kids wb hey if i does not work there not paying a licenceing fee to try out how it go's ?WTF dude? Firstly, learn to spell?? What the hell is Whonderland? There isnt a silent H after every word starting with W. Waner Bros?? Secondly, HB at Wonderland worked well because HB cartoons were still on TV! Ask anyone under the age of 15 who Snagglepuss, Dino or TopCat are and they would have no clue! Most would only know of Fred Flintstone because he is a pop culture reference and Yogi because they made a terrible live action/CGI film a couple years ago. Just because you own a property doesnt mean it will work in todays market, and owning a property in cinematic form does not mean you own the rights and licences to develop rides and amusements for it.
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so thay have decided not to remove it like has been asked here and made it harder to jump over nice response seaworld well done