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  1. I had this conversation the other day with somebody. Why should management shoot themselves in the foot for the entertainment of their guests? There is little incentive for a park like Movie World to reduce capacity or control the crowds when they've got guests flooding in. Disney understands this and it's why before recent years they've been incredibly careful about their public image. I can't remember the numbers exactly, but in their early days they found that people were more willing to discuss a bad trip then a good trip, and that bad news spread quickly. This negativity bias is hard to control and once it grows its own legs it snowballs to rather outlandish proportions. I genuinely think that Village have gotten incredibly lucky to avoid negative press in the past 12 months and, to a degree, I think it's why we are seeing such an apathetic response to guest experience. Dreamworld was changed by their incident, but also the immense pressure that came post-incident from the public, press and officials. Despite Village failing to deliver on their new additions at Sea World several times, providing an exceptionally poor guest experience at Movie World which has been reciprocated by both enthusiasts and the public, having multiple SBNO attractions within their parks including Arkham and Sea World's Log Flume, announcing a hotel before their replacement attractions for Arkham, removing hosts from shows like Affinity and reverting Seal Guardians to it's preview format, bringing third-party vendors into their parks outside of special events with the intention of raising revenue, and the rest, we have really only seen positive articles come out of Parkz towards Village, and I'm not trying to throw the Parkz team under the bus here, but it takes a lot of pressure off the company when they know they're not under the magnifying glass. These threads and discussions are exactly what is needed to try and kickstart change because it shows that people are taking notice of the problem, and they're only going to continue to get worse for Village as the year goes on. Come September there are going to be a lot more season passes purchased to experience Sea World's new hotness, and Movie World needs to be ready for that influx... But I genuinely don't see how it can.
    13 points
  2. What do you think IS masterclass about the mini-land's execution? I'm interested to know why you disagree. I should be more specific with my opinions. I think the story, theme and name of the mini land is fantastic. Conceptually it had so much potential, but the overall execution of it was terrible: 1. The land was placed in the wrong location. Movieworld had a perfect area ready and waiting for this concept - the Arkham courtyard. This is where the land should have gone. It would have complemented the existing unofficial DC land, and Arkham Asylum theme perfectly (Joker has broken the villains out of Arkham and are reeking havoc). The old lethal gift shop could have been re-opened to sell the upcharge experience. Furthermore, the old lethal theatre could have been used for an indoor themed portion of the land (similar to the Knockturn alley mini-land at USO's Diagon Alley). Yes the available area is a lot smaller, but I think this compactness would have added a lot of atmosphere to the land (again similar to Diagon Alley at USO). The old boot hill graveyard and show stage should have been used for an expansion of the wild west area. 2. The Intamin Twin Hammer was a poor ride choice for MW and the land: Unpopular model that had a bad maintenance record with previous installations. Despite being a staple/classic amusement ride type, Intamin had only built 1 of these before (Space Attack) - which permanently closed in 2015 (1 year prior to doomsday opening). Richard wrote an article on the ride's downtime during 2015. This alone should have been enough red flags to find another manufacturer for this ride type, or a different flat ride altogether. Doomsday has been a maintenance nightmare since opening and has had a lot of downtime over the last 7 years. The themed land was designed for families, yet the anchor ride does not suit this demographic. Inverting rides scare off a lot of people, and a min. height requirement of 130cm prevents kids/tweens from riding. Movieworld didn't need another thrilling ride. It needed, and still needs, a reliable, high capacity, family-thrill flat ride with a 90-120cm min. height requirement. The ride system is unremarkable in the aus amusement/themepark landscape, and delivers underwhelming physical sensations. It's quite a dull experience for a "max thrill level" ride (as described on the MW website). The travelling Hangover delivers a more thrilling ride. Yes Doomsday is a "filler" attraction, but that doesn't mean the ride experience should be mediocre. 3. The upcharge experience is mediocre - and the negative influence it had on the land's design is not proportional to the experience it delivers. The decision to place the gift shop at the front of the land was made by bean counters (late in the project) to encourage sales of the wristbands. Because of this the spectacular Doomsday figure and sign is hidden from most guests, the land's entrance is a guest flow pinch point, and the shop obscures the view of Doomsday from the midway. All to upsell an upcharge that is dull, repetitive, not maintained regularly and not enticing for all ages. Originally a paid upcharge, turned into a free one, and now out of order. The upcharge didn't sell because the product was lacklustre. 4. The land doesn't blend in with surrounding areas. The transition between scooby - villains unleased - wild west is jarring and harsh. There is no graceful fade. It makes the mini land feel like a standalone experience that could have a separate admission fee.
    13 points
  3. I’m currently at the Gold Coast for a family trip. We’ve only done two days at the parks and the crowds are insane. I’ve never seen Sea World so busy, but generally it coped quite well and I had a good day. Rides were seeing some wild times but they relaxed in the afternoon where we could get on Storm several times in a row. The park has the luxury of having a ton of people eaters, and the average punter seems to be more savvy about shows, etc. because there were clear masses of people going back and forth between the presentations. After watching reviews we opted out of Movie World and went to Dreamworld today. The family wasn’t too impressed with paying more for passes, but they had a great day. The car park was stacked, but the crowds weren’t wild. Every ride was basically a walk on including Steel Taipan. The only decent wait was Sky Voyager but being the only proper family ride on the Gold Coast, I can see why. Street Feast is nice but the food was slow. The kids, which range from toddlers to primary school, all had a blast as well which made the parents happy. Dreamworld really does have the luxury of size and with WWW in simple walking distance, it makes the crowds far more bearable. Talking to friends at the parks, those that have visited, and the occasional stranger in the elevator; Movie World and WNW are a mess. Everybody I know is saying to avoid those parks which is sad because they’re genuinely good theme parks with great rides, but nobody wants to put up with what is on offer. We will probably skip Movie World this trip, but my family now have season passes and they’re keen to come back on a weekend some time and hit it up when it’s quieter. I don’t envy those working at those parks at the moment, and I’m sorry for all of the crap that you’re having to put up with for decisions out of your control. The problems seem to go beyond just normal busy crowds, but without going I can’t comment much further then from what I’ve heard. Another quick note is that it seems that everywhere is lacking staff. Our hotel seems to be copping it a lot, and I’ve gone to several shops and cafes that are running ads for more staff or have notes seeking forgiveness for delays.
    11 points
  4. Someone should tell SW the demo company can remove flume rides aswell.
    10 points
  5. No RF cards on the interactive elements in the supervillains area, and also appeared to be none for sale. In lieu of this they have decided to let Killer Crocs’ water feature just run constantly, which is cool, except the drainage wasn’t build for that, so it just floods the entire pathway (and also seems a decent waste of water….) Gees…. Just went on JL. Time to just gut that place and start again… I’d say at least 50% of the targets don’t work/register, or the 50% that do, half of those don’t go dark after hitting. 2 from 5 of the projection screens do not work at all (but audio plays for the scene you cannot see), the fog curtain doesn’t work, the doors are stuck open so the effect of the portals are useless, and half the animatronics are dead/frozen. 1/10. Do better Movieworld.
    7 points
  6. Considering all options - perhaps they want to demolish the track, and they needed to use the track to get the trains out of the park first? #YouAsked. Seriously though, I can categorically rule out the loss of the monorail. How do I know? Because Bikash told us we'd hear it from them first:
    6 points
  7. This seems as relevant a topic to post this as anywhere else DW has re-instated the buy 3 get 1 free locals annual pass promo. Only valid on the $129 pass that includes WWW and night events. Always popular and will no doubt give them a bit of an influx with people waiting until this time of the year to buy/renew. Family of 4 locals passes to DW will now set you back $387 compared to $756 for the village parks. That's a BIG difference and considering the current state of MW, would make it very hard for people to justify a near doubling of the price.
    6 points
  8. It’s great to see the park is finally being more transparent about something like this
    5 points
  9. If it’s well presented externally and integrated into the park then no it isn’t a waste. A friendly reminder this is the park that had Bermuda Triangle
    5 points
  10. Was at Wet n Wild yesterday and looking over at MW the carpark looked pretty healthy despite the very obvious issues discussed in this thread. A few years ago MW was the undisputed king of Australian theme parks, but I will also chime in and say the last few times we have visited MW late 2021 early 2022 we have been left feeling considerably underwhelmed and can resonate perfectly with most of the complaints in this thread. I am taking my son to Seaworld tomorrow, he chose SW over MW despite all of his favourite rides being at MW and we did SW just as recently as well. It wasn’t even a difficult decision for him. This speaks volumes to me. MW are losing touch with their key audience, it may not be immediate, but every day the parks crowded and every day there are a few more disgruntled guests feeling like they wasted the day and people will stop coming. MW needs to turn this around and go back to their roots of creating a good overall customer experience. Rivals alone is not enough to carry the park through poor operations, faulty effects and an underwhealming customer experience, especially now Steel Taipan is just down the road in a park that is just putting in a little more effort. To finish on a positive note, we had a fantastic day at WnW despite the chilly temps. The new precinct is really good and Kaboom is an amazing ride. The park looks great staff and operations were awesome so I can speak for at least one VRTP park doing everything right.
    5 points
  11. Blah.. call me a fanboy idc 😂 Yes, Dreamworld has a lot of work to do to rebuild the public's faith but I think the word of mouth after this recent holiday debacle will be helping. In my few visits over the holidays I saw nothing but smiles and happy familys.... An electric atmosphere only made better by the smaller crowds. I think we will see a much more competitive Dreamworld come September. Thank god the general public don't realise just how close Movieworld came to a catastrophic disaster with Green Lantern or the past few years would tell a very different story.
    5 points
  12. I think the issue is that the park does so many things that folks say "why on earth would they do that" and there is no other reasonable, logical explanation forthcoming - so the conclusion is they must be doing it intentionally. Perhaps if they communicated openly to guests what their woes were, instead of saying "welcome back, we're ready to welcome everyone in!" then the public at large would at least know what they were getting themselves in for. As for Qantas and Airports - yes of course, let's listen to Alan Joyce blame the customers, and it has absolutely nothing to do with the large numbers of staff they sacked during the pandemic, as well as things like baggage handling that they outsourced to the lowest bidder - no, none of that cost cutting had anything to do with the airport delays, and it's all the customers fault, right? Yep. Everything on facebook is made up. Zero possibility of there being any truth to the matter. We should never believe anything we read, hear or see. Everything is a conspiracy these days. Hand me my foil hat! Yes they should have. As has already been said on this thread several times - the park capacity is not capable of as many people as it used to be. The park is the same physical size, but the number of rides, and the number of guests each ride can put through per hour is far lower than it was when the park's capacity was determined. 10,000 guests and 4 hour lines on a ride that has been open for 5 years now outside of the xmas-NYE hell week is beyond ridiculous. If they don't have staff to handle the max capacity. If they don't have the trains to handle the max capacity. if they don't have show crews to put on enough extra shows to handle the max capacity. Then. They. Shouldn't. Let. That. Many. People. In. The. Park. Disney has been routinely maxxing their parks out. They shut the gates. They offer appropriate alternatives to passholders and single-day ticket holders. They refund people who have no other option. Its the trolley problem. Are you gonna reject 3000 guests and upset them, offering refunds, complimentary passes, or some other form of customer service, or are you going to let that 3000 in, and in doing so, upset 10,000 who all have a miserable fucking day getting 1-2 rides while spending all the time in a queue? Closing the gates is a realistic solution. it doesn't require extra staff - there are already staff at the gate and ticket booths. And it doesn't create 'as much' negative backlash because the folks who did get in have a much better day and the folks who didn't have an opportunity to get compensated - a refund, or a return visit ticket, or some other thing that means they didn't waste $100 per person on one fucking ride. And not shutting the gates shows intentional contempt, or obliviousness to the fact that the park wasn't able to cope with it's former "max capacity" "because covid" doesn't wash when Dreamworld up the road was a pleasant day. "We're ready to welcome you back" is marketing, but its also total bullshit. I think your alternate reality is baffling everyone else here. This goes back to the fact that the park's theoretical maximum capacity was most likely determined when you had a studio tour, BATRide, PASS... etc etc. Even these numbers are very generous. Rivals dispatches when i've been in the queue, outside of peak times, with two trains or one are more realistically closer to 5 minutes. GL dispatch times assume the grouper isn't also the loader, which is very common, and like superman on the regular, they don't group people to the doors while the ride is running. Does west still dispatch every 30 seconds when it isn't continuous load? I think MW's current "comfort" capacity sits closer to the 5-6000 mark. 8k is an extreme and is going to start putting pressure on some rides (because the above numbers also ignore popularity and just consider bums on seats. I've never seen every seat in Roxy full, for example)
    5 points
  13. Here is a perfect example of the arrogant VRTP culture that is bred from the top down and permeates every department within their business. Why fix your problems when you can just blame the customer! Australia’s #1 theme park (if you stop coming).
    5 points
  14. Echoing what some people have said in this thread but going a bit further, whatever plans Movie World has for the Arkham area should be either put on hold or completely thrown out in favour of a super-high capacity family adventure ride like what the park had with the Loony Tunes River Ride, something that can board 20+ people per boat/car with a continuous loading/unloading platform without the need for complicated restraints. It might sound like 'pie in the sky' thinking but what I think is, rather than spend $20+ million on a record breaking roller coaster or 3 random roller coasters (or whatever the plan currently is for Arkham) they need a Disney level attraction that can just churn through guests consistently.
    5 points
  15. Dreamworld lose Wipeout, Seaworld gain Vortex Seaworld lose Monorail, Dreamworld gain a new train
    4 points
  16. Agree. Pity about the POS pulling them.
    4 points
  17. So for me I hate buffet’s. There are only bad buffets and mediocre buffets, and they’re just not for me. So I’d love for them to open as an A la carte restaurant (FWIW I’ve said for years SW should have a broadwater facing Seafood restaurant also open for non park guests and make a fortune). However I agree it should have it’s own unique quality menu, much like they did with Dirty Harry Grill. And I think the courtyard bar should be open with a more snack style menu.
    4 points
  18. I saw the posts by the demo company last night, but they were captioned 'out with the old, in with the new'. Take from that what you will, but that suggests to me that they've gotten new trains. Given as we understood it, the existing fleet was aging, cannibalised parts to keep at least one in service, the fleet was definitely past it's prime. If Sea World springs new trains on us, it will be an amazing surprise they've managed to keep it under wraps this long into the plans. I do hope we see a MkII train, integrated air conditioning, and all the modern safety features you see in today's transport. Village execs assured everyone when Monorail was taken out of service for construction that it would return. I do hope that they honour that promise.
    4 points
  19. Yeah facebook is a toxic sesspool where you complain to make noise. In person or over the phone is how you complain to actually get your issue resolved.
    4 points
  20. It was pedestrian bridge to get to Rocky Hollow, and was there before the spaghetti Junction was a thing
    4 points
  21. I just can't imagine what would give the public the impression the parks were ready, willing and able to welcome back the public... I mean, the messaging has been all about "we can't wait to welcome you back" and "it's great to have our parks open and firing on all cylinders again", rather than "but not too many of you because we don't have enough staff to cope". If you know you're running thin and you don't have any levers to pull to increase capacity then you either choose to collect the cash and let people have a shitty day, or forego the cash and look after the customers. Being turned away at the gate for one reason or another (in this case because the park is full) is something that the park knows how to handle, and is a one-off disappointment to a customer (that, I might add, you could probably do something about in advance) compared to letting those customers in and having a full day of misery that you present as the genuine experience.
    4 points
  22. It IS a smug-ass reply - Not what the social media team at any family focussed facility should be saying ever. There won't be anything on their website, and of course - why would they ever tell people to stay away (that worked well for the GC Comm Games). From what i've seen over the past couple weeks, they need to do a couple things: reconsider the park's capacity limit for peak operations, and reduce that capacity based on ride availability, staff availability and park capacity reductions since the capacity number was first introduced Have a 'live' crowd meter of sorts available on their app or website. Have their social team post if the park is seeing exceedingly long wait times. Anything over 2 hours should trigger them to post things like 'its a bit full today, try alternate property attraction?' or something rather than make people find out at the gate. Have the social team be empathetic to customers who are venting their frustrations. Sure, it's not the parks fault there's so many people, but these are YOUR guests and they've had a BAD experience I was told previously by guest relations that as long as you're in the queue before the park closes, you'll get a ride. I've heard queues for things like Rivals are being closed as early as 2pm. 3 Hours before close. And staff are still working an hour after the park closes. SOMEthing needs to happen. At the moment, NOTHING is visibly being done. And to have this kind of social response 'come back next week' is just insulting.
    4 points
  23. I think it was just a general shying away from "Inhouse Built" rides in Australia. Log Ride at DW went too remember.
    3 points
  24. Why did you include this photo when clearly your other post show the work that is going with this?
    3 points
  25. Not ride maintenance exactly, but worth mentioning that the Looney Tunes shop is getting rendered.
    3 points
  26. Just give us another Bermuda triangle ride and I'll be happy, was a wicked ride back in the day
    3 points
  27. I would love to see an interactive Bluey dark ride kind of like Toy Mania at Disney, but with less issues than JL. It would be a smash.
    3 points
  28. Coincidently I contacted them yesterday through FB:
    3 points
  29. Insightful, intelligent, and brave. Thank you for your time. In saying that, add to the discussion, or move on.
    3 points
  30. No, sorry, they aren't. They have access to more information than we do, and I'm sure they saw a massive uptick in ticket sales before the holidays, yet provided little information about best practice when it comes to crowds. Then once people arrived and it was crowded, they told people not to come which is hilarious considering this is the same business that jumped on national news and criticized the border closures because the Gold Coast needs tourists to survive, but are now telling people to go away? If they genuinely thought this was an important message than I'd expect to see warnings when purchasing my tickets, a notice on the website about crowds and how you can best enjoy your day in such conditions, etc. But no, they told people who already paid to be there not to have come in the first place. They may as well say "Screw you, got mine." Similarly, what communication did they provide regarding Leviathan changing from Easter holidays? The enthusiast community broke that news because they simply changed the dates. The same thing has happened with the new opening hours, changes to fast track, virtual queue, and the rest? None of this has been announced by the park for the general population to consume, it's just information deduced by this community. Village does their best to ensure that bad news is delivered AFTER you purchase your ticket. They're reactive in nature, and perhaps that makes them responsive, but they're nowhere near as proactive with communications as they need to be to mitigate guest frustration. I have said my piece on this already, and broken stuff is expected for theme parks, but at some point people are going to stop betting on your horse if it continues to race with a broken leg. The park should be able to operate comfortably with a couple broken things, but as we've seen over the past few weeks, a couple broken things is detrimental for wait times and attraction throughput. Nobody is arguing that Movie World being popular is a bad thing, but you can argue that the parks response to this popularity is a bad thing. Again, I've said my piece on this. Don't rest on demand falling either. International tourism demand is rising for Australians, but the supply of flights and other amenities is not yet there to handle millions of Australian's sitting on huge piles of savings. These people still need things to do if they can't get overseas, and the Gold Coast looks like a pretty tempting holiday destination for those who have been cooped up. We don't know what their measurement of success is. If it's financial then I sure as hell guarantee that their team is cheering. But again, they have access to metrics and insight that we don't. Somehow they knew it was busy enough to staff every store, restaurant, kitchen, and game, to the point that they even outsourced some of that demand to external vendors like Boost and that Licorice Lolly Company. Heading to Sea World and standing out the front briefly a vast majority of guests were taking the right hand entrance compared to the ticket gates, which suggests that they have bought their tickets online. Their teams would have seen this, and if they didn't then I wonder what they are monitoring. I agree, but they're not mutually exclusive. The problems regarding Movie World were drastically inflated with the crowds and I think that should send alarm bells to anybody in charge. If those people are happy to sit on their hands and hope that things will just improve by themselves, then I wish them all the best in that endeavor and hope that it goes their way! But for the love of god, if they ever tell their paying guests not to come again then I hope they get all the criticism they deserve for such an stupid action. I don't want Movie World to fail. I'm passionate because I care about this park and I hold it in high regard which is why I want to see improvements. I'm not jumping on here and trolling with some low brow 'movie world sucks lol', I'm providing my critical thoughts on the subject in the aim that hopefully somebody can address the parks shortcomings that I've noticed. Will that happen? I have no idea, but I hope it does because doing the same thing and expecting different outcomes is simply insanity.
    3 points
  31. The biggest problem for Movie World right now - beyond everything else mentioned in this thread (or even on this site in other threads and articles), is this: As long as those turnstiles keep spinning, bean counters don't think there is a problem. Experience based managers who walk the park and talk to guests, who view the park through the eyes of a guest and say 'this won't do at all' are going to see the unhappy faces and do something early. Folks who look at attendance charts in a boardroom don't know how pissed off they're making people until they stop coming. ...and then they stand there and wonder why.
    3 points
  32. The carousel has been stripped back - all the characters removed accept for one lone Wile.E.Coyote who has a “Deformation Tag” on it - so assuming that may be the one the “kid” fell off. All the ceiling has also been removed, again accept for the section above the remaining character
    3 points
  33. Ok it took a bit of fishing to get Aussie World to answer the question directly but here is the official answer from Aussie World when asked are Aussie Word restricting consecutive rides in a certain time frame. “Hi Joe Sorry thr delay with my reply. I believe the discussion was with the SX360 ride where our operators request customers to have a 10-15 minute gap after 2 consecutive rides back to back. This is for health and safety reasons with the G force to ensure blood circulation flows. Hope this helps” “The only ride is the SX360 where this rule will be enforced. If a customer is unruly or breach safety regulations then they will be denied that particular ride” So yes, Aussie World are denying this operation. Its possible that some of the operations misunderstood the directive for SX360 and extended it to other rides. Or the patron was particularly annoyed about not getting to lap SX360 and exaggerated the complaint.
    3 points
  34. @themagiciannow your talking.😂
    3 points
  35. Dreamworld recently filed a permit for a refurbishment of “Legoland”. Now this was only submitted last month and the refurbishment of the Lego store happened late last year I believe. So my question is what could this be? My guess based on pure speculation is that we could see at some stage ABC kids world or Dreamworks rethemed to Legoland. As much as I love dreamworks as someone who grew up with the IPs they are starting to date. Pure speculation on my behalf.
    3 points
  36. You don't think part of the problem of lower numbers is what DW has to offer has been reduced? Ardent Leisure killing people wasn't the only issue, The old Ardent Leisure being shit and not investing in their product left the current team a mountain to climb.
    3 points
  37. This is the most ridiculous explanation for something i've seen this year.
    3 points
  38. This coaster has always had 2 trains.
    3 points
  39. Some of you guys have no idea at all how things work in the real world. You know who complains about noise en masse? residents who hear the noise. You know who doesn't? people at the theme park. Bit lop sided huh? It's not like they are getting applications from people to increase the noise limits to counter act the complaints. Council get flooded with complaints about noise, if they cause enough of a disturbance they act on it by imposing restrictions otherwise they are seen as ignoring the residents. Politicians of all kinds care about their careers and making it into local papers because residents feel they have been ignored doesn't register too high on their wish list. Doesn't matter if its a theme park, a race track, a pub, a concert venue. Doesn't even matter if the venue was there first. as urban sprawl encroaches on these places this is the sort of thing they have to put up with. It's driven more than a few places out of business over the years because they simply couldn't meet the requirements/limits imposed and remain a viable business. For reference, a quiet street is about 40dB. You can easily hear the chain dog disengage from DC rivals from studio village, be surprised how far noise of certain frequencies carry. It's all the other noise that goes with opening at night though. Things like music, lights, people screaming (as mentioned), plus vehicles coming and going. Hell, I bet they have even had complaints about the masses of smoke/fog/bubbles wafting out of the park following some events. I've been to fright nights when it was completely still, no wind at all. The smoke just kind of hung around and drowned out the car park and onto the high way. Didn't really clear away. You can be sure that rustled someone's jimmies.
    3 points
  40. Not sure if this is in response to the chaos that there has been at the VRTP Easter school holidays, but they have published their parks operating hours for the rest of the year. And it is great to see they are extending the trading hours for the September and Summer holidays. Wet n Wild slightly reduces their hours for the winter, but it’s great to see they are already stating they will be open until 8 next Summer. Movie World is slightly extending the hours for September and a reasonable amount of time for Summer (wouldn’t expect anymore because of the houses nearby) And SW will extend their too
    3 points
  41. Not sure if it's been mentioned already, but it appears as though Movie World have changed their FB page so you can no longer leave reviews or see reviews? Ignorance is bliss I guess?
    3 points
  42. ...and i'd say loud screams, crowd noise, show explosions, and other theme park associated sounds, at 8-9pm - a time when many kids are being put to sleep during school holidays (and when many working adults are starting to wind down) is far more likely to keep people from going to sleep in the first place, as opposed to simple crowd noise at 2-3am (which is also further away) when people are already asleep. Either way, it doesn't matter. We aren't las vegas. we don't have a history of opening late on the regular. Our parks should have longer trading hours (and this thread shows they're looking at small extensions to try easing the crowds) but dismissing the concerns of residents, who were there first, who are demonstrably closer to sources of noise than other recent examples of noise complaints in residential areas - shows that you're not basing your arguments in reality - instead working on the selfish basis that all these other reasons shouldn't matter because someone else has done what you want these guys to do. Our coasters use seatbelts. our parks don't trade late. Movie World's neighbours were there first and don't like loud noise 12+ weeks of the year.
    3 points
  43. Go take a look at Wild West Falls. Nevermind - i've included a picture below - let's play spot the difference: See how Wild West has a giant wall built down the side of the drop? It shields residents from the screams of riders. Notice it's missing from the second pic? Thats Rio Bravo in Parque Warner - where no such residential issues exist. There is a big reason nothing else is built up that end of the park despite decades of people coming up with amazing concepts, and its also why they continue to develop and expand into the carpark. The residents were there before these rides were, and too much noise, or too many late nights, and the complaints go to council and the park has to deal with them. As for trees and tree heights - Up in Cleveland, channel 7 filmed a TV show called Holey Moley. The local council received noise complaints from residents who were (at their nearest) over 250m away through a dense forest of trees. The filming had a handful of family friends and rent-a-crowd numbering a couple of hundred, as opposed to the thousands of people who attend movie world night events. The closest house to Movie World's operations is under 150m (Stunt Driver's fireball finale), and the closest distance to rider screams (Wild West's drop) is 230m. It's just simply unworkable. Luna Park doesn't have to but only because of government support, court precedents and legislation. There was a time when the residents shut the park down. Come back and complain when Movie World is 100 years old, has been shut down and through court. Here's a tip for free - there's a lot of people here who have had these discussions a dozen times before. This site has been around for almost 20 years. You've been around for 5 minutes. Why don't you try listening to these guys who have worked in the industry over those two decades, instead of telling them (wrongly) why they must be wrong. Theres a lot of people being quite a lot more patient with you than they should be - but that patience is quickly running out.
    3 points
  44. WE ARE NOT IN THE USA OR EUROPE WE ARE NOT EVEN IN MELBOURNE OR SYDNEY Stop with these nonsense suggestions the Gold Coast parks should do this and that just because it’s what happens somewhere else. They have their own sets of rules and regulations to abide by. You might not like it but thats how it is.
    3 points
  45. All seems fair enough. I rage at the rides close half an hour before the park does crap. I don't care how you spin it the park closes when the rides do. Otherwise, good. Exactly what they should be doing, and possibly a response to the past couple weeks. Also pleased to see WnW getting its normal 4pm closing time back too over winter; it had been reduced to 3:30 so that's a good thing. I can almost guarantee they won't, but I'd love to see the Aqua Colour infrastructure put in late December and run a different 'non Carnivale Sea World themed' show at 7:30. Try and really take advantage of whatever boost Leviathan will bring.
    3 points
  46. I agree that HSD is the lowest hanging big bit of fruit. Get that show on the hour all day. Surely could get 5 or 6 shows a day in there. That won't help getting locals out of the lines because they've seen it, but it does help by giving those people who did buy a one day ticket something to do. Also agreed that a big popular people eater is also needed. Something that can get through 1000+ people an hour without breaking a massive sweat, and I think those concepts are pretty easy to shit out (Studio Show Case, but it's a boat ride with big boats and a drop). Add to that buy third trains for Superman and Rivals, (there is no 6 month stretch when you don't need both trains), be nimble enough to open the park a couple hours later if needed, I think happy days. There I've just spend $25million in 2 poorly thought out paragraphs.
    3 points
  47. Yeah well that’s a piss poor, privileged attitude if ever I’ve seen one. A theme park isn’t a restaurant, nor do you spend 7 hours at a restaurant. Anyone with enough money to blow $6 for a packet of chips that costs $1.20 at Coles - they can spend their money on it - but most people can’t. tbh you sound like an entitled moron with that comment. So people that don’t have much expendable money are cheapskates? You got kids? A family? Mortgage? Or do you just sit in your one bedroom apartment on your high horse looking down on people?
    3 points
  48. That’s a smug ass reply. Ky needs some customer service training. Can someone point to the place on their website where they tell people not to visit their parks in school holidays if you don’t like long queues? Whilst some will tolerate them, no one likes long queues. So is Ky stating that people should not attend movie world in school holidays?
    3 points
  49. I've thinking this for a while, but Australian parks spend lots of money on very good rides that fully 300 people per hour can go on. I think with attendance where it was, even if ops were at their absolute best, it still would have been a shit show. The fact they couldn't get those second trains running (if they had them, they would have used them) just adds to the overall fuckery, but it isn't the cause. The cause is all rides max out at a fairly low capacity, and attendance was at levels not seen since Christmas holidays pre 2016, and even then only rarely. MW also doesn't have much excess capacity to eat up crowds. I'm glad that they're starting to figure out how to do WWF's new boats a bit better. That ride is the traditional people eater, and having that do Storm like numbers would be a disaster. The thing that makes me confident that huge attendance is a large part of what happened rather than ops: elsewhere it was mentioned that Vortex had a 40min queue. If true, that is by far the longest queue that ride will have ever had. Even in summer holidays it rarely gets to 10mins. To get to 40mins says that the parks were beyond slammed, quite possibly one of the busiest days the parks have seen. The only thing you can really do is extend trade and put extra shows on, which you normally have to plan out in advance, and I have no doubt that even expecting a big day, theyd have been surprised by how busy it got. Aside from that it's capping attendance which I don't think is as straight forward as it would seem. I just feel sorry for the guests in all this. I doubt many people were having a good time. Ops contributed, but there was simply no way with the numbers they got that there was any hope for a good day
    3 points
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