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I don't mind the approach of combining modern architecture with themed elements. Yes it's a cop out and yes its not what I'd prefer, but our parks have set their own standard for what gets people through the doors. Rivals showed that the bare minimum of a themed integration (aka printed flats) will not deter record crowds and rider satisfaction.
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24 minutes ago, Renae said:
The theming may go along grey or green however possibly could be red and blue
One ride. Two ride. Red ride. Blue ride.
This one has a little star. This one has a little car. Say! what a lot of ride there are.-
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The Dreamworld Resort already exists if you close your eyes and wish hard enough.
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As much as I hate seeing ride counts declining, I won't miss Buzzsaw. It was always that ride you just kind of did cause you we're at that part of the park and there was guaranteed no wait. I hope it's removal represents a departure from Dreamworld's era of cheap thrills.
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That first drone shot make's the coaster look damn impressive. I like spaghetti coaster's where you kind of need to stare at them for a bit to figure out exactly where the go.
Content wise it wasn't as interesting as the last video and the questions were a bit generic. I know it's something you kind of need to plan from the start, but I would love to see a deep dive into this whole process. Going from start to finish about how they finalise their ride decisions, who they bring on-board for construction, how logistics are managed, etc. Even explore some of the challenges that have arisen with COVID as well. Almost like a mash up of 'Mega Constructions' and 'The Imagineering Story' with an honest look at the industry.
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Great news! It's exciting to know that there's an Olympics that I'll actually be able to remember this time around. I wouldn't be surprised if the local and even federal government committed some cash into promoting tourism both around Brisbane and the Gold Coast. The World's Fair saw some big additions to the area, so I'm sure the Olympics will be no exception.
However If there was ever a time for an international operator to get involved with a project in Australia, now would be the time. It'll bring a lot of international tourism and attention to our quant corner of the world!-
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1 minute ago, Brad2912 said:
You have to look at the market you are promoting to - that group, which i only just joined as i had never heard of it until it was raised here - is more so filled with what i would consider "fans" rather than enthusiasts. Most are surface level interested in the park. They go on Monday and watch the parade and post photos of it, then go again on saturday and watch the parade again, wax lyrical and post basically the same photos again from a different vantage point. They are also unabashed in defending any criticism of the park. As i said, its fanboy stuff at a surface level.
To most on that page, this is a BIG thing.
In comparison i would consider many here to be "enthusiasts" as we often chat about the thought patterns behind the decisions, and can equally applaud and critique the parks. We hold judgement until we see final results, and we are generally more measured.
Great point and I agree with what you state. I didn't really consider it that way and you're right that it'd be very different if they came on here and said huge things are on the way.
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5 minutes ago, rappa said:
I think really it depends if the message is for enthusiasts or the media.
Because both have very different perceptions.
In this one case I think it counts as a big announcement, and the “can’t compete” certainly is reference to the offering as a whole and not one single item. Its also quite boastful yes, but that is his style.
Interestingly this message was for the enthusiasts because it was originally posted in the fan page group. You're pretty much lighting a cigarette in a fireworks factory by making any sort of announcement directly to an enthusiast circle.
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5 minutes ago, rappa said:
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head.
They may not have announced an earth shattering attraction, but can’t really blame them when that going to happen was only created in ones own mind.Hyping up things in theme parks is basically playing with fire. Very rarely does it actually pay off because there are so many variables that factor into ones individual outcome beyond just doing good things and yes, people have wild imaginations. Whilst I do feel like a fool for getting hyped myself thinking that really big things were on the horizons because of the wording of the message, I think this is why most international operators usually keep their mouths shut on upcoming attractions and let out very calculated bits of information that tapper expectations.
VRTP hyped this up to be huge and it's all nice additions but it's nothing outrageous and the general vibe from fans seems pretty lukewarm. Though up the road Dreamworld has been keeping their cards close to their chest about snek coaster and the other day when they dropped that it had a themed tunnel you could mistake that as the second coming of Jesus. I hate to go down the route of VRTP vs Dreamworld, but you can tell they're being very careful about what comes out. Perhaps it's a Greg thing because I remember DC Rivals wasn't even announced when construction started.
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2 hours ago, Brad2912 said:
Why would they publicly come out and make that a focal point of their marketing if it isn’t true??
"The most advanced roller coaster in the world. The biggest, the fastest, the greatest thrill ride ever built."
I get that it's marketing mumbo-jumbo but its not exactly their first rodeo when it comes to these sort of announcements. I imagine it's something that if you know it's wrong then it mildly annoys you, but if you don't then you find it very impressive. Considering that the people who know are a very small percentage, it sort of weighs in an operators favour to stretch the truth.52 minutes ago, StingRay said:It's nice to see this investment. New slides on the Australian scene will be a nice little touch.
It does get me excited about Wet'n'Wild again! Whilst I've visited the GC a lot in the past few years, I always miss WNW because its personally a hassle. I remember having fantastic days there, but if I need my water park fix I usually just tack it onto a Dreamworld day and head over to WWW for a few hours.
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I have no idea how they're going to fit lines in this space unless they go for a virtual queue? Though then again I've never seen huge lines at LPS anyway so maybe they're banking on that?
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Entertainment is hard to get right, and the easier route for a park is to just dump their millions into a flat-ride or rollercoaster that can operate during the entire day, has visible appeal and has guaranteed results. I'd love to see VRTP focus on enhancing their entertainment because I'm also not a fan of HWSD2, but generally it's fine for the families that visit once in a while and always packs a crowd.
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I hope we can see a more formal outline in the future because as much as I'm excited by this development, I also have my personal concerns.
This hotel will really need some major draws to pull me away from Surfers. As much as I love the parks, I can't justify staying out at Coomera with one of the sole reasons being the neat novelty that this will be attached to Movie World. There is just way more to do out at Surfers and I can continue my night with multiple bars, arcades, etc. in the city. Whilst MW has Top Golf, it's very expensive and too limited in capacity to carry the area's nightlife.I wouldn't be surprised if the restaurant precinct that they've proposed will have a couple themed rockpool dining restaurants such as the Bavarian which would definitely be fun.
Though the number one thing for me with staying on-site is convenience. If a park day finished at midnight after getting up at 6 AM to beat the crowds, then you bet I'll stay on-site to get some extra sleep, but considering the parks close so early I don't really see this having that value. Also what are the options if you want to visit Sea World? Will there be a shuttle? Can I stay at this hotel and then the next night stay at the Sea World Resort and have my bags transferred?
However it is interesting that they could swing this as being the resort to stay at when you're visiting ANY park out that way, not just VRTP properties. This will be just down the road from Dreamworld and White Water World, so it could be an enticing alternative to the legendary and coveted Coomera Inn. VRTP would effectively be making money off their competition.
Though I just can't help feel like VRTP know something we don't in all this, and I wont be surprised if this is the start of multiple announcements.
4 hours ago, OgreMagic said:Difference here is that the hotel guests will (presumably) know what they're getting into. I don't think the Disney parks with in built hotels get many complaints! 😜
Disney hotel guests are almost entirely in the parks so there is no real problem with noise considering that those who would be complaining are the ones making the noise. The exception are those leaving the resort or just arriving from travel, but they're often hyped further by the activity of the park so it's not really a problem.
1 hour ago, Ash said:All I know is, that I live within 5 minutes from movieworld and would defs stay there with my kids and family. Would be awesome for them.
I don't mean to be rude when I say this, but why? Seems like a nifty novelty for out of towners, but unlike the themed amenities provided at other international resorts that have their niche appeals, I can't see the benefit for locals.
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Thrill rides are mostly scary because of cognitive dissonance in your mind. In a nutshell the mind is battling between rational and irrational thoughts. On one hand it believes that the attraction is completely safe through rational deduction:
- This ride runs multiple times a day, every day, for years without fail.
- The engineers who built this know what they're doing.
- I'm harnessed in so I can't do something stupid.
- etc.
But on the other it believes that you're in some kind of danger:
- What if this time it fails?
- What if my harness flies open?
- What if for some reason I have a medical condition that I don't know about and I die!?
- etc.
Basically what might be happening with you is that over time you're no longer casting doubts on whether the experience is safe because through experience you're answering all the questions that your irrational mind is presenting. It's similar to when you first start driving and everything is terrifying but after a few years driving is literally nothing.
I have the same fear as you that once I conquer the Giant Drop then I won't find anything thrilling anymore because my bar will have been raised so high that I'll need to take @AlexB 's suggestion and jump out of a plane. Because of that I usually leave riding the giant drop to the end of a Gold Coast trip and spend my entire time working up to it and psyching myself up for the ride.
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I'm actually really surprised that they managed to get in the country this year. Europe is absolutely falling apart at the moment in terms of COVID and its wild that ride engineers are considered an essential service worth the risk of bringing them over. Definitely good news for the theme park community though.
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WNW has always been a miss for me when visiting the GC. I remember having a lot of fun there but considering it seems that VRTP forgot it existed they just haven't really done anything to bring me back in. I don't really feel the need to spend an entire day at a water park considering we have WNW: Lite in Sydney but if I want to sate my slide urges I'll just duck over to WWW whilst at Dreamworld. Good to see it's finally get some attention and I hope we get some well needed upgrades and additions.
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I'm a little late but I really like the new colour scheme of the Gold Coaster though I'd definitely say it's on the way out in terms of longevity. My assumption is that once they're done with Orange & Brown: The Coaster they will likely look to decommission the Gold Coaster.
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4 minutes ago, red dragin said:
Food & beverage sales, plus merch.
Definitely some good and fair points. I guess if the park is busier then you're going to second guess whenever you jump into a line which leaves you open to more opportunities to purchasing upcharges, food and drink whereas if you blast through the park because it's quiet then you're going to leave earlier or go off property for food.
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I like that colour scheme and design from what I can see. I don't mind that it's using 2D flats unlike this monstrosity
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On 10/10/2020 at 6:35 PM, Ranger said:
1: What was Wonderbuzz in regards to WS as shown in this Seven News report at 0:25:
3. What did Wonderland look like from the M7?
1. There are some folks from Wonderland History on here who can help you out more but from what I can gather it may have been some official wonderland fan-site sort of thing. A lot of the images are of rare moments such as demolition, park flyovers, insider information, etc. which makes me believe it was either sanctioned by the park when they knew time was up or its some disgruntled employees trying to salvage what remains.
3. I used to live in Sydney when Wonderland existed and drove past a few times for visiting and when travelling through the area. If you look at this image it gives you a decent idea of what you could see from the M7 http://www.wonderlandhistory.net/sites/default/files/styles/media_gallery_large/public/Aerial-800-18.jpg?itok=sIftxy7D but Bush Beast dominated a majority of your view. There were also some water slides you could see and the Space Probe 7 peaked over the top of the park but due to the parks usage of foliage there wasn't much else from inside the park.
Also from the M4 you could barely see anything other than Space Probe from what I remember.
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12 hours ago, themagician said:
People would be outraged today if they had to pay those prices. To think 11 years ago the price for a 12 month pass for just one park is the same for all 4 parks today
It is pretty wild that overtime as the parks have expanded and improved their offerings that the passes have technically gotten cheaper. I'd say the justification is that the more people they can get through their gates the better but I honestly wonder whether it's a quantity over quality issue?
Also I agree that people would be outraged if they had to pay those prices for Movie World but I wonder why they got away with it back in the day. Has the quality of the park changed?
On 10/10/2020 at 9:52 PM, Gold Coast Amusement Force said:Well with a Dreamworld pass costing 99 dollars, and now only 50, I am not going to be impressed by higher attendance...
$50 is way too cheap for a season pass. Hell even $99 is. I honestly can't fathom how they make a profit with those prices.
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Do we feel that our parks need to embrace a different season pass scheme? I find it surprising that both Dreamworld and VRTP only offer very basic season pass offerings unlike a lot of parks overseas. Personally I'd be interested in seeing some more expensive passes introduced with discounts, further additions and benefits.
I believe the easiest way they could implement this is to keep the current season pass as the base offering so that the general public doesn't lose their minds over increased prices and then add 'levels' above that with increased benefits. For example you could leave the base One Pass at $250 which just includes entry into the parks, then have a Gold pass with 10% off food and merchandise for $350, and perhaps a platinum pass for $499 which includes unlimited entry into events such as FN & Carnivale, 20% of food and merchandise and some other exclusive offerings.
This means that their offerings essentially remain the same but for those wanting to get more out of the parks they can pay for it. Also I wouldn't be against them adding a cheaper Season Pass with block out days for weekends and holidays which could eventually become the base pass.
What are your thoughts on this? Do you think our parks are fine the way they are or do you think they should start offering tiered passes?
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28 minutes ago, Cactus_Matt said:
What we really need in Australia is a new park to come along and completely blow joe public away with attention to detail and immersive experiences that way it'll force the other parks in the country to try a little harder.
100%. There is no reason to raise the bar when you set the bar in place in the first place. If VRTP released Atlantis as an entirely themed, immersive, world-class experience then it'd cause the rest of their property to suffer or feel dated so they almost have no incentive to do anything extraordinary especially when their primary goal is to satisfy shareholders.
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I appreciate the response and insight into your comments Alex. You definitely make some great points especially in regards to the public having rather limited expectations.
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Arkham asylum replacement theming??
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If you've gotten into legal trouble for this exact problem in the past why even risk this? You can't feign ignorance if a park comes after you again when you've already been slapped by a lawyer once already.