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8 minutes ago, Brad2912 said:
If the theme is WoO as it appears, it marks a definitive change from the origin plans which clearly showed it being DC related, so maybe the actual plans regarding model/s of rides may have shifted too. Guess we’ll find out soon
There’s a possibility that some deals have been made under the table to exchange attractions with other parks, but I’d imagine that this is a re-theme of the previously internally released plans. I can’t imagine that they would have commissioned the concepts for the older designs before securing the coasters which makes me think they’re locked in with deposits paid, and it’s easier to change a theme than actual attractions in light of global manufacturing problems.
1 hour ago, rappa said:Genuinely not sure what critique is being thrown out here about this?
It’s Schrödinger’s precinct at the moment - Any possibility exists before a proper reveal so it’s hard to critique without pre-existing negative and positive biases.
If it’s the Oz theme slapped onto the previous reveal then I’ll be more confused than anything because it’s an odd pairing.
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I am cautiously optimistic that recent attendance has shown management that attraction capacity is vitally important to Movie World's long-term success and that we will see some proper family attractions included in this themed area. Oz works perfectly for a high-capacity boat ride and brings the park back to its roots.
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37 minutes ago, Rivals said:
I'm talking about the public, the public hears ‘big’ and thinks of a giant new ride, not a new family rides (even if it is what the park needs), and will probably lead to disappointment.
I've been making it this argument for years and honestly people just need to accept that it doesn't matter. Pent up demand post-pandemic means that guests are flooding the park in record numbers despite all the concerns such as continued criticism from the general public and enthusiasts, rising costs, lowered operational capacity, poor attraction upkeep, and it being almost five years since they added a new attraction. Cash flow is likely to remain positive for the interim because of this, and despite a visibly obvious poor guest experience, we wont see any changes until that cash stops flowing.
Sadly, Movie World has been cashing in on decades worth of positive experiences and nostalgia at the expense of consumer trust. Much like a certain mouse celebrating an anniversary in Florida. If you've ever been scorned by a brand then you know that it takes a lot to build trust, and very little to lose it. This business mentality is great for short-term monetary gain, and it's going to bite them on the ass in the future - Especially when the world comes to Brisbane in 2032 and all the park has to showcase are a couple decent rollercoasters.
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16 minutes ago, DaptoFunlandGuy said:
Has anyone kept all of the various changes?
The Wikipedia article has done a fairly good job of keeping up with changes.
Honestly at this stage its just embarrassing. I know that there are things that cause delays outside of their control. Not saying anything and pushing these silent changes just makes them look incompetent.
Nobody is entitled to information or a release date, but the thing that I find baffling is that there is a perfect opportunity to communicate with the community here and foster a relationship. It that would take like one or two posts from somebody within the business to just say "this is happening, this is why" and we'd be golden.
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At what stage do we whip one of these bad boys up?
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On 3/6/2022 at 2:21 PM, rappa said:
Waiting until a major new area/attraction opens to remove a monorail however… 🤔
What do you mean, man. They promised us it'd reopen... right? Right!?
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Somebody from Dreamworld must browse these forums because they've already updated the notice.
Weekdays during the off-peak have always been the wild west of theme parks. The ride barely had a line during the peak of the school holidays. I can't imagine anybody not being able to get more than enough of their fill from 4 hours of operation.
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The after hours event was closed when I went. I can only speak for how it was received during the day, but its interesting considering that feedback that they would proceed with an after hours offering. I guess crunching their numbers and factoring the overhead, they must be able to make back a pretty penny even with relatively low crowds.
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1 minute ago, New display name said:
DW's holiday event must have been more successfully than I thought it was, for DW to continue with the idea.
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food festivalmystery red shipping container was pretty popular when I was there. It's especially nice to have options other than burgers, hotdogs, chips and pizza after a week of theme parks.-
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14 hours ago, joz said:
I'm fascinated by the extent to which they're pretending it's not Dreamworld running it, or even at Dreamworld.
Somebody brought up a great point in another thread that if they use the Dreamworld name then it changes the expectation. 'Moonlight Night Markets at Dreamworld' or 'Moonlight Night Markets by Dreamworld' would imply that there are attractions open, etc. where as this allows them to separate it without having to constantly telling people there are no rides.
Judging by the marketing it seems like they really want to make this an adults hang out to rival Top Golf and the likes. Rides and alcohol just creates too many issues to bother doing on such a regular basis in this market.
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Dreamworld has announced a new night market on property starting June 10th. Looks like a good time for those staying at the Gold Coast and locals.
http://moonlightnightmarket.com.au/A couple of things from scrounging the website:
- Rides wont be open.
- Starts 5 PM and finished at 9 PM every Friday and Saturday night with no end date which assumes that this is a permanent offering for the time being.
- Entry is basically a gold coin donation, but season pass holders and day guests get in for free.
- Seems that the festivities will start at 5 PM after park close, but those within the park will be able to stay within for kick ons.
In my opinion this is a great move for the park. Despite rides being closed, it allows you to kick on with your night without having to battle traffic back to Surfers on weekend nights whilst also giving an alternate option to having drinks/food at Top Golf after a park day. Why rush back into the city when you can stick around, have some drinks, and absorb some atmosphere?
I'm excited to see how this goes. Thoughts?
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8 minutes ago, Gazza said:
I think it was just a general shying away from "Inhouse Built" rides in Australia. Log Ride at DW went too remember.
Very true. That seems pretty fair at the end of the day.
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11 minutes ago, New display name said:
Is that the tradesman fault for not cleaning up after themselves?
Tradies make mess; it's the law.
But if one cut a hole in your wall and you were having guests around for dinner that night, you'd think it'd make sense to at least clean up the mess before they arrive as curtesy.-
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7 minutes ago, New display name said:
AA What money did they spend on AA just before it closed?
The new trains and retheme which is just over a decade old. The refurbishment opened mid-2012. Not a cheap change for a ride that has been SBNO since 2019.
12 minutes ago, New display name said:Wet'n'Wild Buggy I thought this was run by a private company
Honestly, I have no idea. I just can't imagine that the land clearing and setup was cheap for an attraction that lasted a season.
13 minutes ago, New display name said:VRFR Blame DW.
This is the way. But they did spend some money upgrading the attraction to accommodate for storm coaster. Also I've only just put two and two together, but it's kind of off-putting that VRTP chucked this attraction to the kerb as soon as the DW incident happened and there was heavy scrutiny on water based rides. I wonder what maintenance found?
17 minutes ago, New display name said:Is Superman closing @Dom?
Well considering the two decade life expectancy of most attractions on the GC, this is clearly the first sign that the attraction is on it's way out!
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Come on, guys. It would be ridiculous for these parks to spend a bunch of money on something and then just stop using it. It just doesn't happen.
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New train carriages have been revealed on Dreamworld's socials. Looks nice!
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Maybe off topic, but does anybody find it really difficult to justify a sit down meal at our parks just mainly because of how short the operating hours are? The buffet was a great choice because you could eat as much as you needed and then go, but if it's restaurant style then I feel I'd be fretting constantly and watching the clock.
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Whilst I don't doubt that rumours are spreading among the staff, at this stage we need to trust the official word from the parks. Their channels say it's a temporary closure and their management has responded saying the attraction is coming back.
However, I will set up a pitch fork store just in case they decide to do a "lol jk it is closing"
[Pitch Forks $5]
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On 07/05/2022 at 12:08 PM, Levram__ said:
Seems like Rivals is about to get some repaint TLC.
I'd be surprised if Rivals is up for a repaint. It's a lengthy process that costs quite a bit, and the ride isn't that old to justify the expenditure because I'd imagine they probably haven't paid off the original cost yet.
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12 hours ago, themagician said:
It’s great to see the park is finally being more transparent about something like this
Absolutely agree. This sort of communication with guests is great! It lets them know that they're aware of their capacity problems and are doing what is within their power to resolve them, whilst also providing some little sneak peaks into BTS and maintenance.
I reckon another step in the right direction would be to have some blog posts that link within the app when attractions are down to give some insight into what is happening, what they do when rides are down, and how it improves the guest experience. It gives people something to read whilst they're in queues, etc. But otherwise, this is a great step forward!
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On 4/5/2022 at 2:08 PM, joz said:
I'd already given you the information you asked for.
If you could zip up your pants and stop yelling 'mines bigger!' for just a second and bring it back to the content at hand, then you'd realise that I acknowledged your information and opinions, provided my thoughts on the matter, and respectfully and apologetically declined them. That's not flat out refusing to let it in, that's refuting, you would normally do in a discussion where the intention is more than just flattering egos.
So I implore you to drop the ad hominem argument, and instead actually read through and discuss what I wrote in response to you, because the only irony in this thread is a story in two parts:
On 4/5/2022 at 2:08 PM, joz said:You just flat out refused to let it in. I can't be bothered wasting my time with you when the first sentence in your former post confirms you were never really engaged in a discussion.
On 4/5/2022 at 12:42 PM, joz said:Stopped reading right there.
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3 minutes ago, joz said:
See above.
Insightful, intelligent, and brave. Thank you for your time.
In saying that, add to the discussion, or move on.
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1 minute ago, joz said:
Stopped reading right there.
You're welcome to prove me wrong.
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19 minutes ago, joz said:
Are you complaining that management is unresponsive (they arent perfect, but they are clearly and demonstrably responsive)
No, sorry, they aren't. They have access to more information than we do, and I'm sure they saw a massive uptick in ticket sales before the holidays, yet provided little information about best practice when it comes to crowds. Then once people arrived and it was crowded, they told people not to come which is hilarious considering this is the same business that jumped on national news and criticized the border closures because the Gold Coast needs tourists to survive, but are now telling people to go away? If they genuinely thought this was an important message than I'd expect to see warnings when purchasing my tickets, a notice on the website about crowds and how you can best enjoy your day in such conditions, etc. But no, they told people who already paid to be there not to have come in the first place. They may as well say "Screw you, got mine."
Similarly, what communication did they provide regarding Leviathan changing from Easter holidays? The enthusiast community broke that news because they simply changed the dates. The same thing has happened with the new opening hours, changes to fast track, virtual queue, and the rest? None of this has been announced by the park for the general population to consume, it's just information deduced by this community.
Village does their best to ensure that bad news is delivered AFTER you purchase your ticket. They're reactive in nature, and perhaps that makes them responsive, but they're nowhere near as proactive with communications as they need to be to mitigate guest frustration.
33 minutes ago, joz said:that it's in an usually poor state (there is broken stuff, but there has always been broken stuff)
I have said my piece on this already, and broken stuff is expected for theme parks, but at some point people are going to stop betting on your horse if it continues to race with a broken leg. The park should be able to operate comfortably with a couple broken things, but as we've seen over the past few weeks, a couple broken things is detrimental for wait times and attraction throughput.
37 minutes ago, joz said:or just that the place is just too popular? (if that's the argument then you really have no argument).
Nobody is arguing that Movie World being popular is a bad thing, but you can argue that the parks response to this popularity is a bad thing. Again, I've said my piece on this.
Don't rest on demand falling either. International tourism demand is rising for Australians, but the supply of flights and other amenities is not yet there to handle millions of Australian's sitting on huge piles of savings. These people still need things to do if they can't get overseas, and the Gold Coast looks like a pretty tempting holiday destination for those who have been cooped up.
45 minutes ago, joz said:I don't think they think the holidays went well. In some areas things conspired against them, in some they weren't as ready as you would reasonably expect them to be, and the attendance was way higher than what you could reasonably expect them to be ready for. It seems like there has been some recognition of that in things that have happened since.
We don't know what their measurement of success is. If it's financial then I sure as hell guarantee that their team is cheering.
But again, they have access to metrics and insight that we don't. Somehow they knew it was busy enough to staff every store, restaurant, kitchen, and game, to the point that they even outsourced some of that demand to external vendors like Boost and that Licorice Lolly Company.
Heading to Sea World and standing out the front briefly a vast majority of guests were taking the right hand entrance compared to the ticket gates, which suggests that they have bought their tickets online. Their teams would have seen this, and if they didn't then I wonder what they are monitoring.
58 minutes ago, joz said:Really, the 'Decline of MW' and 'Holiday attendance was too Damn high' are conversations that should be split into different threads rather than the usual mob combining unrelated issues into an anti MW narrative. Can't wait for people to jump down my throats for pointing that out though.
I agree, but they're not mutually exclusive. The problems regarding Movie World were drastically inflated with the crowds and I think that should send alarm bells to anybody in charge. If those people are happy to sit on their hands and hope that things will just improve by themselves, then I wish them all the best in that endeavor and hope that it goes their way! But for the love of god, if they ever tell their paying guests not to come again then I hope they get all the criticism they deserve for such an stupid action.
I don't want Movie World to fail. I'm passionate because I care about this park and I hold it in high regard which is why I want to see improvements. I'm not jumping on here and trolling with some low brow 'movie world sucks lol', I'm providing my critical thoughts on the subject in the aim that hopefully somebody can address the parks shortcomings that I've noticed.
Will that happen? I have no idea, but I hope it does because doing the same thing and expecting different outcomes is simply insanity.
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The New Atlantis - Construction Updates
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I have heard similar, but have no public source. I didn't think much of it until I saw the pictures of them thoroughly checking the structure plus train clearance.