Baconjack
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11 minutes ago, Ashley Jeffery said:
I doubt kids are walking around pointing out the roofs. It's a kids area and still the best themed one in Australia. Remember this isn't Disney and the key demographic they are targeting is kids.
“It’s a kids area” is not a valid excuse to explain away abject laziness because there’s no longer licensing standards that the park is bound to. People will walk past that ocean parade section to get to serpent slayer & tiger island it’s not just kids. Neither is the “not Disney” excuse our parks in the 90’s did what Disney could for half the price.
I suppose Nickelodeon Land doesn’t exist either and you’ve conveniently forgotten that
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59 minutes ago, DaptoFunlandGuy said:
With such a massive hole in their lineup with the losses of so many of their big attractions, perhaps retro throwbacks to old rides in Dreamworld might not be the image you want in the public's mind?
Of course, then you have the big issue - obviously you have to NOT produce thunder river merchandise, but then it's absence leaves a hole in the product lineup... what to do.....?
Two of the three rides I mentioned have already been replaced (indirectly but that’s beside the point)
Thunderbolt - gold coaster (if punters on Facebook think that despite them running next to each other for a couple of years then that is what goes)
Tower - Taipan
Wipeout - chairs, yeah you get the point on that one.
Obviously you’d avoid thunder river (or anything in gold rush country for that matter) with a 10 foot pole but that goes without saying. It’s a good opportunity to make some extra cash though you’re not spending much to make shirts. Though the case is strong especially when the current batch of investments are complete and there’s not so much of a gap in the lineup anymore. If dreamworld is happy to change their logo back to the 80s one then I think they’d be happy to make some thunderbolt shirts.
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1 hour ago, DaptoFunlandGuy said:
I don't think it's fair to suggest that current management are like pre-2016 management at all - for starters the big implication there (which you probably didn't intend) is that current management is perhaps being unsafe, taking shortcuts or risking peoples lives - when I know for a fact Dreamworld has a current emphasis on making safety the very first and primary consideration above all others (which is why I think we do sometimes see things like pool fences etc. that maybe weren't entirely necessary).
I know what you're getting at from a themeing perspective though. I agree with you that the chinese rooftops should have been taken down, but as they stand currently, it doesn't look terrible. Yes, Dreamland has given them freedom to leave some things 'as they are' with some small changes to signage, but rather than being lazy, i think that's a clever way to tackle the problem on a budget. They have, and continue to plus the area as time goes on, so while things like the chinese themed roof is unlikely to change, I don't think we can call a final opinion on the land until its... well... final.
Yeah I certainly didn’t imply the safety part. Anyone would have done what current management are doing, I mean the operations of old management really speaks for itself - I’m not looking at it from a day-to-day operations point of view but rather from a presentation and capex allocation point of view. Even old management would sprinkle in some minimal theming - look at tail spin & hot wheels as examples. How are they any different to let’s say giant drop & taipan. It’s inoffensive sure but is still quite boring, this is a theme park, not taronga zoo. It’s almost the polar opposite of what’s on offer at the spit (although general upkeep is a different story entirely)
Also the budget argument is a perfectly valid point - dreamworld are spending most of the cash on Rivertown- but give me a cohesive land over an extra flat or 2 any day of the week. New rides can be added later on in a stage 2 - but you need a good foundation first before adding new stuff (and not the other way around) which is what this refresh should have been but unfortunately misses the mark in that regard slightly..
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It was terrible when it was new so can't imagine it later on in its life. As said previously it was the little brother to aqualoop and it showed. No back mats made it uncomfortable to ride as you felt every single transition between the slide pieces at high speed.
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On 24/11/2023 at 7:49 AM, themagician said:
I had already expected a Dreamworld redevelopment, but I think Dreamland has turned out to be a nice project, and has allowed the kids area to become more complete. The theming and immersion isn’t quite to the level of Dreamworks, but I still think it’s turned out well. And having seen the overall layout of Rivertown, that’s made me even more excited for its opening.
Current management did what the pre-2016 management would have done - remove logos, repaint buildings & rides while making minimal changes and called it a day. When there is no IP and by extension no standards to follow they can do whatever they want. Hence why there are ancient chinese facades in ocean parade & fantasy buildings in kenny & belinda's dreamland.
Some parts of the land are done better than others, I think the splash zone and the dodgems are done quite well but I think that the park could have little more ambitious in removing traces of dreamworks from that corner of the park to make something totally new as opposed to a debrand.
All said its very clear to me they are spending the bulk of capex on rivertown and I think this will turn out much better because they're flattening abc kids world and starting from scratch, so just a case of wait and see. I am certainly optimistic for that if anything.
On 27/11/2023 at 6:31 PM, djmcbell said:This genuinely interests me far more than the Wizard of Oz are at MW.
Wizard of Oz I feel gets unfairly denigrated because one of its key coasters can be ridden in Victoria.
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8 hours ago, New display name said:
Did you not ride TOT before DW slowed it down?
To be fair it didn't go at the speed advertised for most of its life. Only footage i've ever seen it reaching the top is very early on in its career.
Speaking of tower, why doesn't dreamworld make merch for its past attractions like other parks around the world do? I didn't see any on the website, though I haven't visited in 5 years so things could have changed since then.
I bought some vintage thunderbolt and wipeout hats off marketplace the other week and they look quite good. You'd think those three rides would be great candidates for retro shirts (which is in at the moment)
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9 hours ago, STRAWS said:
White Water World has removed the wedgie from the website. it's been closed for 2 years now.
They have done a silent removal and sign for it in park has been scraped Aswell I believe.
What are your guy's thoughts?
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Surprised that they weren't sold off in that BOH auction village ran many years ago, probably a licensing thing though
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1 hour ago, themagician said:
I believe the only actual connection is the fact they’re both powered coasters
And made by the same manufacturer (zamperla). I believe rcdb classify the tops coaster and big red boat as belonging to the same model as well but yeah it's really a weird connection to make
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You can barely even see the fence on the globe and the ramp doesn't look terrible from the perspective of walking into the park i don't see how this affects photo ops etc
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2 hours ago, downunder said:
Lol talk about merging chocolate with dog poop.
In all seriousness, like others have observed, if the Six Flags parks started being run the Cedar Fair way in general that should be an improvement. I believe they only have competing parks in LA and San Fran (and California's Great America was closing anyway before the merger), and Magic Mountain and Knott's have co-existed for decades - it would be an interesting hypothetical if one of those 2 closed how much would the other benefit in terms of attendance.
And Six Flags is a brand that has recognition, but is not necessarily an attractive brand - I'd never go to a park because it's Six Flags (probably the opposite) and the general consumer market I doubt cares either.
You also have the case of having multiple parks in a single state catering to two cities. One of worlds of fun or six flags St. Louis could be sold off.
Also you have two parks catering to the Philadelphia market, there’s no way Dorney’s not on the cards to get let go when you have Great Adventure not far away
Knotts is for sure gone. The land it sits on is just too valuable, Magic Mountain not so much, plus knotts is landlocked and can’t expand at all. No park is too popular to kill if it’s land can be flogged off for top dollar (ie: wonderland)
Six Flags America & Kings Dominion are also relatively close to each other, so the smaller park (Six Flags) could get sold off, but to another operator because zoning prevents its use for much else
Six Flags is not in the best position financially and the merged company takes on everything (such as debt), so some parks will have to be cut unfortunately.
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On 30/10/2023 at 9:17 PM, Rivals said:
i have a feeling that possibly they didn’t incorporate it into rivertown because they already have plans for the ride, whether that’s it’s retirement, a refurb, who knows. but i feel like if it was planned to stay, it would’ve been included into rivertown and it’s initial announcement.
If the ride is retiring. i think they should replace it with a GCI woodie that goes right up against the river. even though Jungle Rush will have airtime it’ll most likely be more about the twists and turns, they need a ride that focuses mostly on airtime.
Rivertown is still over a year off opening. We might see something in the half year announcements (and when maintenance dates are posted for next year) pertaining to Motocoaster potentially to make it better fit into Rivertown because they can't keep it under the generic theme for too much longer. A reminder that they didn't announce Gold Coaster's retheme until it was just starting to get underway. Could easily have the ride go down from August/September and then re-open with vintage cars & jungle rush.
Keep the motorbike concept but put new fibreglass bodies to make them look like dirt bikes, repaint of track & supports & retheme of the station like gold coaster. Replacing it is a waste of time & money the ride is perfectly functional and there's ample space for new attractions to go in (which will be the priority for any capex in the future)
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Could theoretically be a tunnel too (which would look a lot better), but can’t exactly figure out the exact details of the drawing (because the resolution is too low) to make a conclusion on it.
I’d say the track section that goes in and out of the building will do just that above the exit path (looks like it, the queue is to the left). Think Eureka and how it went in and out of the structure in the line of sight of guests.
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58 minutes ago, STRAWS said:
If its only partial track replacement its probably still going to be janky as hell I have never been a fan of Mouse coasters.
Well to be fair they probably don’t need to replace track during the dark ride section, it will only be during the mouse section where stress on the track takes place.
Also this is a horrible take lol, if mouse coasters weren’t janky they’d be boring. Half of the fun of wild mice is the feeling of going off the track during the hairpin turns and the reason this one is highly regarded is because it feels that more intense and out of control because it takes place in a box
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6 hours ago, Brad2912 said:
Running one train on Leviathan on a sold out Spooky Nights isn’t great planning SW….
It’s not summer therefore it’s off peak therefore it’s acceptable /s
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51 minutes ago, DaptoFunlandGuy said:
Spotted - first look!
(thanks Spy)
Looks like you go up the turntable, drop down backwards, traverse the first half of the layout backwards, go up to the turntable, go through the second bit of the layout forwards, and that’s it.
Layout looks pretty short but the interaction with vintage cars is at least nice. Also looks to quite a bit of opportunity for show scenes beyond the turntable - that show building is certainly sizeable and most of that first half looks like it takes place inside it. -
Wooden coasters need their wood replaced all the time. Track, supports, etc. That's just how they work, it's a part of the maintenance. Wild Mouse is very old so some bits are going to need to be replaced, others restored, it won't impact on the heritage listing.
Given parts of the ride are getting re-tracked I'd imagine Luna Park's either still got the plans for the wild mouse somewhere (when they bought it back from the fairgrounds) and are getting track custom built according to those plans or has studied the ride enough to make an exact 1 to 1 replica of the track.
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Again why doesn’t it blink, seriously lol
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Green Lantern doing Green Lantern things. That thing breaks down constantly but people forget because Doomsday exists
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I sincerely hope any of the animatronics that are used for Jungle Rush aren't as atrocious as the octopus. Why doesn't it blink?
Area looks fine otherwise the chinese facades don't stick out like a sore thumb like i thought they would.
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6 hours ago, TBoy said:
Can't say I am shocked. Village most likely removed it to force people to pay for fast pass so they can get more money and blame it on "guest feedback".
Just another example of how Village is slowly becoming worse and worse under the investment company, who just cares about the money.
I think this is correct. It's all about money. Why bother implementing something that's free for people that pay north of $100 to be there when they could pay $80 for the same thing (provided VQ was used properly) when the people that visit won't return for a few years anyhow?
It's a terrible decision for guests ahead of the summer peak when every major in their parks will have upwards of a 1.5hr line because Village haven't cared about their customers for years by *checks notes* running single train ops on Rivals & Superman (and presumably Leviathan during the next peak too) as well as making 5 minute dispatches the norm because managers aren't properly training their staff.
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On 19/8/2023 at 5:48 PM, downunder said:
The RMC Wild Moose looks like a cool ride, hopefully someone down here gets one.
No one needs it the most likely candidate would have been movie world but that’s out of the question as Scooby is getting millions thrown at it, and there will be enough family thrill coasters to go around across the majors in a year’s time anyway that sit in the same spot in a lineup as the rmc wild moose
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Yes because it’s the guests fault that Village bought a lemon ride which had its other example shut after not even 10 years of operation which happened prior to them even buying it.
Liked that ride but unfortunately poorly designed and not even worth riding in its current state. Fingers crossed that lengthy maintenance cycle it’s got involves some blowtorch work.
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“Bluey’s World” coming to Brisbane in 2024
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Now imagine if dreamworld decided to sign a nice little exclusivity deal to put bluey in that new freshly relocated ABC kids section they have instead of the wiggles