DaptoFunlandGuy
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On 28/07/2023 at 2:35 PM, Naazon said:
Love the idea but hate the execution. The shade sail poles should be on the other side of the fence or from the grassed area reaching right over the path.
The fence is as close to the pools as possible so guests can get as close to the dolphins as possible. If these poles were on the poolside of the fence, it would push the fence out. Crowds will move around the poles, and neither will obstruct the walkway (hopefully) which has always been a traffic flow issue through this part of the park.
Cantilevering the shade structure from the other side of the walkway in the grass would require a lot of additional cost, and weight, not to mention it would potentially prevent service vehicles from accessing the area outside of park hours. There aren't many ways to get from one end to the other inside the park as it is.
On 29/07/2023 at 10:32 AM, GoGoBoy said:So those shade sails are for the dolphins, right?
Unlikely. This area attracts guests who come to look at the dolphins and most of the time, the crowds are in the morning as guests enter the park and make their way back. The southbound journey on that path rarely captures a lot of guests as they've seen it on the way north. So most of your crowd here are around 10am, putting this shade squarely in the right spot to provide some welcome shelter and relief for guests.
I wonder how long before these shelters are used by vendors during night events though.
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On 29/07/2023 at 1:25 PM, Whombex said:
The curious part of the mechanism talk just above, was the East side of GD having that partial drop before the actual release.
Easily explained. The release mechanism worked the same way on both (as it does on all Intamin Giant Drops). The fake-out drop was simply another set of brake fins that 'caught' the gondola just below the release point for a moment before it slipped out the other side and continued to drop.
On 29/07/2023 at 1:25 PM, Whombex said:the only thing I get apprehensive about on big rides is how nauseous it would make me feel.
I can't speak to your personal reaction, but in general the ride experience on GD isn't as disorienting to your inner ear as Rivals or ST. Because there's only one direction of motion, it's actually unlikely to make you nauseous (unless you suffer from vertigo)
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On 29/07/2023 at 11:52 AM, Gobbledok said:
Youd think that a competent design team would have thought about the need to close this area off for maintenance and provide for an attractive way to so
photo credit to some facebook post by someone
With the amount of fencing around the dolphin pool right now, they've probably run out of cool 'save the sea lion' banners to hang on it.
It is a dismal attention to detail and one that could be corrected pretty simply - just hang a giant BODGE sign on the side!
On 29/07/2023 at 11:20 PM, Tricoart said:What’s the 20%?
Probably Leviathan's station.
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Many years ago I attended Jamberoo to take photos of the park and meet with Dax Eddy over their recently announced master plan. What you see today in the above posts looks almost nothing like what I saw, save for the mammoth slides - it's great to see they've embraced the changing tech and industry developments to deliver the newest concepts. I don't know how much of this will get built before things change again, but its always exciting to see what Jamberoo can come up with - it's a shame Raging Waters doesn't seem to have the same appetite for growth and change.
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On 29/07/2023 at 2:04 AM, CR4ZE said:
Serious question: what's the benefit to these parks in operating year-round? Why not run your season from September to May and get the bulk of your maintenance done over the winter?
The ability to attract and retain staff when you're only offering work 6-9 months of the year makes life very difficult. I imagine Raging Waters does struggle to keep good staff year on year. Unless you're also into snow and rotate between the snow fields and the waterparks, it must be hard to keep it a 'stable' job.
As for maintenance, which so far nobody has addressed for you - there was quite the discussion here on Parkz a short while ago about the parks down here not having the capacity to maintain all the major rides in a 2-3 month window, due to the lack of skilled workers.
Some suggested that American workers could be shipped in to fill this void which was largely pooh-poohed for various reasons, and rightly so.
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7 hours ago, Brad2912 said:
Looked to me like a lot of the chains wrapped in and the crushed structure
They disconnected the chairs and laid them out in a row when it was dismantled. This level of care with this element suggests that they were saving or salvaging the ride componentry. The ride surrounds and panels had been on the ride pad even after the mechanical elements had left - I would say you're only seeing the surrounds.
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The monorail air-con debate has been had numerous times on Parkz.
I think the main issues were that the train clearances were insufficient in some places around the park - the most notable being the Plaza roof towards the Stingrays if I remember correctly, but there was also the Corkscrew track to navigate at one point as well.
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Now you're just being ridiculous.
For starters if you're adding that many coasters, your workforce isn't staying the same size.
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11 hours ago, Gobbledok said:
The park had a major ride breakdown and so they got it fixed and open for their paying guests
Oh my god how embarrassing
Cherry pick to suit your narrative all you want - it wasn't about DC Rivals at all. I stated the 'lineup' was embarassing, and Tboy said "4/5 coasters closed" was embarassing.
At no point did anybody say 'how embarassing was that ride breaking down and then reopening'.DC Rivals going down simply highlighted the poor state of the park right now, and as Brad mentioned - imagine entering as a day guest to that line of closures?
Flash is supposed to be helping with this given the loss of scoob for so long, but since it won't open until early-mid next year, the park will suffer a bit longer.I just feel like if you have as many coasters as MW has, you should probably avoid having all but one down at the same time?
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42 minutes ago, TBoy said:
According to the maintenance site and Queuepark, it is open. But to have 4/5 coasters closed at one point is embarrassing. I feel for the families coming, they might say something like this:
"I can't wait to go on DC Rivals!" "Nah, Superman's better." "Green Lantern seems like a good ride." "Really? I think Scooby is the best." Then when they get to the park, closed, closed, closed, closed.
Obviously they got it back up - qudos to them, but it was definitely down earlier.
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4 hours ago, wikiverse said:
prevent some of the reliability issues MW is facing before they can begin.
- DC Rivals was closed today - unplanned closure.
- Superman Escape is out for maintenance until the weekend
- Roxy is under maintenance until 4/8
- Green Lantern is out until 15/9
- Scooby is down for more than a year
Today, based on that list, Road Runner is the park's headlining rollercoaster. Justice League and Batwing are the only attractions operating outside of WB Kids with the exception of Wild West Falls (in Winter) and some neutered version of Doomsday... and just so we're completely honest - Carousel and Yosemite Sam Train are also out.
So today's lineup at MW:
- Justice League
- Batwing
- Doomsday
- Wild West
- Tweety Cages
- Speedy Taxis
- Junior Driving School
- Road Runner
And at least two of those are unavailable to almost 100% of the guests in park due to height requirements or restrictions. Speedy and Tweety for the adults, and Doomsday and Batwing for the kids.
I know its the off season. This is when you expect your majors to be down to be the least inconvenience to guests - but fuck me that lineup is embarassing.
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5 minutes ago, Gobbledok said:
Not really
If people are not available until a certain date they arent available no matter how far in advance you reach out
With literally a handful of people that do this work I think its highly likely some of the timeline is due to availability
Yeah - what I'd meant was that if you knew it wouldn't get commissioned for 9 months, why would you rush to get it moved, painted and built now - but then it occurred to me it would be better to shut down SE and do the work in the off season regardless of when the technicians were available.
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16 hours ago, Dean Barnett said:
Ground up Hypercoaster in 202 days.
Just saying.
What does that have to do with the price of fish?
- This isn't a hypercoaster.
- It isn't the same manufacturer
- It isn't built in the same location
- It isn't a new ride built to current standards and requirements
- It's subject to current local laws on maintenance and attraction teardowns
Just because a coaster can be built ground up in 202 days (or even 174
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Every install is different. Here's Leviathan's stats (based on Wiki timeline )
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9 hours ago, Tricoart said:
obviously if there’s no reason to demolish something, they more often than not wouldn’t spend the money to do so
This is the key here. There is absolutely nothing to do with heritage, it is - plain and simply - not worth spending the money on tearing something down unless you need that space for something else, OR it's dangerous leaving it as it is.
When Storm Coaster was built, the quoted "cost" of the ride included the costs of demolishing Bermuda. By including the demolition costs in the overall construction, it forms part of the 'new ride' budget, rather than having to find capital works budget elsewhere. It also has potential tax benefits if it was costed as part of new capital infrastructure, as opposed to standalone demolition of end-of-life assets.
There are many benefits to doing it as part of your new project. There are no benefits (other than perhaps aesthetics of the park) to remove it at end of life with no plan on what you're doing with it.
Heritage doesn't even play a part. No question. End of story. Period.
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2 hours ago, Gobbledok said:
A fairly plausible scenario
but.... SURELY they checked with the specialised people when they first began planning, and they made these arrangements with the specialised people, and they always knew that the delay would occur.... and not that they only found out now...? /S
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50 minutes ago, Tricoart said:
I mean, I don’t see them removing it completely or turning it into something like a walkway instead, partially ‘cause they consider the Monorail heritage
It has nothing to do with heritage.
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2 hours ago, franky said:
- University study on what to do with the track
Pretty sure this was a 'what if' and was purely academic. The study was on 'sustainability' not 'what would you do with this old ride' and can be found here, provided google's linking works properly.
1 hour ago, New display name said:I've posted a concept plan in Parkz somewhere before, of the track been turned into a walkway.
The same study references this, but the proposal was for the Sydney monorail, and they simply suggested it could be done here too.
They expand on the idea further:
The trouble with this idea is either it is an incomplete circuit, or they spend a lot of money building a walkway that goes out over the carpark. There's also a question of how wide a walkway could be, built on top of the narrow monorail supports, and whether it could handle the different forces put on it by a moving crowd.
Either way, i think these proposals were entirely academic - they were done in 2019 before the pandemic and before most of Atlantis was built and i'd suggest their currency and relevance today is questionable, especially since they made up only a small portion of the overall sustainability proposals the university actually set out to do.
10 minutes ago, Tricoart said:I think part of the case for the Monorail track & train still remaining is just that they somewhat consider the ride heritage
Nope.
The entire reason Arkham remained standing as long as it did was because they didn't need the space for something else yet, and it wasn't unsafe to remain as it was.
If they decide Monorail is gone, then as soon as Sea World needs monorail space for the next attraction, it'll get knocked down - though this doesn't mean the entire thing will go either.
If they cared about heritage - we'd still have Viking's revenge. The bridge. The Ski Show. Heritage really doesn't play a part here (and for the most part, it shouldn't, save for the extremely enduring heritage attractions the likes of LPS Wild Mouse or Scenic Railway.
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Just now, Gobbledok said:
There is no chance of someone accidentally or mistakenly re-energising the track
Zero
I'm sure the guys in charge of thunder river thought there was no chance they'd kill someone either. The point is, institutional knowledge gets lost over time. People know 'what' they're supposed to do - certain things in certain orders, but oftentimes forget 'why' things were done that way over time (i'm speaking generally, not specific to the park or even theme parks in general).
For some reason, the shroud has been removed. I don't know why and don't claim to. But it makes sense if that has had to be removed, to also remove the components the shroud was there to guard.
Monorail's power might well be disconnected and isolated. However that doesn't mean that in 5 years time they decide to reconnect it and give it a test, and all the new guys in charge of it don't realise that once upon a time there used to be a shroud there.
It makes it fail-safe, in the not-entirely-zero chance that something happens in the future that nobody could foresee.
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36 minutes ago, New display name said:
Carefully removing some parts doesn’t sound like demolition unless SW are hard up on cash and want to sell the copper.
Given they've removed the electrical componentry, this may just be risk minimisation - since the shroud is gone, they've made it safe by removing any live electrical componentry. I suspect the rail is not energised at present, but this prevents someone energising the entire circuit without reinstalling the shroud.
Without the shroud, I wonder how long that stands without some idiot trying to climb it during Carnivale etc.
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New Updates - 8/7/2023 - Movie World - WOZ, Flash and coaster track in the storage yard.
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Dreamworld - 9/6/2023
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Here's a slightly better angle from the latest nearmap 8 July 2023
(Side note - surfrider surfboard is still back of house bottom right)
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Yeah I don't think the timing is evidence of anything to do at Dreamworld.
USS had Madagascar & Shrek for over a decade at this point - it's nothing new, just their latest expansion.
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1 hour ago, themagician said:
We could potentially have a finished and working ride just sat there for 7-8 months (once commissioning is done) while they wait for theming to arrive.
Sitting there for 7-8 months without operating?
Sounds like Surfrider, situation normal.
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9 minutes ago, Dean Barnett said:
That was filed in 2019, well before the incident occurred. Polaris was rumored to be a front running name for Orion at Kings Island. Given that opened in July 2020, the 2019 registration of the trademark makes sense.
(Polaris is the name of the North Star, part of the Little Dipper constellation, Orion is a constellation in its own right)
The more I re-read this, the more the language feels off. Someone tried a little too hard to make this genuine, using 'high point' and 'top thrill' - and I think they've just took it a bit too far...
It's still possible some of these things ring true - park insiders have dropped several hints both personally and on their socials (many of which have been reposted here) that the joining of the dots presented here seems believeable. There's less than 2 weeks until we have an announcement though - so all will be revealed in good time.
) doesn't mean that should be pointed to as some sort of benchmark or yardstick.
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Dreamworld’s Ocean Parade Expansion 2023
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The hexagonal formwork there makes it look like they're planning something. The blue ocean parade pathways were also a coating applied over the top of existing concrete.
As the old adage goes - never show a fool an incomplete job - and in this case i'll wait until construction is a bit further along to see what the finished product is going to look like.
I wouldn't want to be doing a fancy decorative concrete surface when i'm about to build a rollercoaster in that space - noting all the heavy equipment and the damage it may do to my shiny new concrete.