DaptoFunlandGuy

POUNDS HEAD AGAINST BLUNT OBJECT Read the DOSH report you frickin moron. not just the bits you think will win you the argument. The tag system IS THE CORRECT PROCEDURE. MAINTENANCE WERE NOT USING THE CORRECT PROCEDURE (tagging) WHICH CONTRIBUTED TO THE ACCIDENT. when an operator suspects a train or passenger car is dangerous, IT IS YELLOW TAGGED AND REMOVED FROM SERVICE AND THIS IS WHAT THEY DO EVERY TIME. If space mountain had ONE car faulty, do you think they would shut down the ride? NO Is Space Probe had one gondola faulty, do you think they would shut down the ride? NO If Splash Mountain had one gondola faulty, do you think they would shut down the ride? NO If Big Thunder Mountain Railroad had one train faulty, do you think they would shut down the ride? NO NO NO NO NO NO NO What would they do? remove it from service and affix a yellow tag. how is applying a yellow tag promoting loss of life? those three statements above are all contradictory. Your argument is well thought out but it is extremely flawed. Have you been listening to the other people who posted here? Bussy commented that an unusual sound should be reported immediately, but other than that he agreed the fine line an operator had to walk on was there, and angry guests and all the rest.... I know it would be a first for you if you did so, but did you listen to what Richard had to say? For crying out loud you are as thick as two short planks. there is no getting through to you, on any subject, no matter what it is, because you must be correct in everything you do. thats why you have the piss blind arrogance to have that little statement in your damn signature. ffs. you're wrong. deal with it.

not necessarily. a non-expanded piece of metal will have more rigidity, and prevent the tower from leaning that way, however the expanded metal will be weaker. it will not push up, causing the tower to lean the other way, rather it will become weaker, and allow more flexibility, allowing the tower to lean towards the weakened side because of the loss of rigidity in the metal. Just because it expands, it doesnt mean it will expand UP.

the tagging procedures mentioned in (5) were in discussion of the maintenance crew, not the operators. (4) does not talk of the operator's training, but rather a WRITTEN instruction in the OPERATIONS MANUAL. there is no description in the report of what the AUDIT procedure was (7). Whether this was done or not, it would not have prevented the accident, because the audit procedure would not have found bolts loose and untightened on a maintenance procedure done the night before the accident. The maintenance work was signed off by a technician who did not perform the work. He was not to know the work had not been done, and it is the fault of the maintenance worker who signed off on the job, as well as the worker who did not tighten the bolts in the first place. im talking common sense here. if a ride starts emitting sparks, does an operator need a WRITTEN INSTRUCTION IN A MANUAL to know its not proper to operate the ride? No. The same applies for a strange noise coming from the train. It is obvious that the operators do not NEED the written instruction to know a bad noise is something that should be yellow tagged.... it is obvious, because the operators DID THIS without the written instruction, it was just one cycle too late. The written instruction was added simply because there was some confusion when the issue was discussed in the inquiry. The cycling of the trains was not something that was necessarily done, as I am under the impression that this would be done at the beginning of the day, to test all brakes, and mechanics in the ride, not to test the train itself, and as discussed, even if train number 2 had been cycled once before being put into service, it would not have saved a life. the person who died - yes, but another would have taken his place based on the order of the queue line. I am awaiting the reply of the DOSH at this point in time.

the heat would cause the metals to expand, but im not inclined to leave it at that, as the heat would expand the metal, but it doesnt explain why the tower itself LEANED towards to sun. Giving it further thought, its quite possible it might simply be that it leans towards the side that the sun is on because that side is heated while the other side is in shadow, leaving a bendable side closer to the sun and a rigid side away from the sun, which would cause it to tip towards the sun... yeah - thats probably an ockhums razor solution to the problem.

the majority of the ride is purple, with the gondolas an alternating yellow and purple. it seemed more modern than the tired red white and blue of 1980's USA.

Actually, Disney received a RECOMMENDATION from the DOSH to make the amendment. In the same list of recommendations, they also suggested that trains be cycled once when entered into service, before guests are loaded on it. Now this catastrophic failure occurred on the 13th run, not the first, so what good would cycling once do? not much, but it is an extra safety measure. So is the extra line in the manual - But the DOSH recommendations DID NOT include a requirement of RETRAINING the cast operators, only the MAINTENANCE team I used to work in an organisation that went by the mantra of "the best way discovered, so far..." Just because something works, it doesnt mean it cannot be improved on. This line in the manual just helped to outline and specify a procedure that is obviously common sense. I say common sense, because the cast members DID what this procedure currently outlines, they just did it one cycle too late. I won't go further into detail with this one for you Adam, because over several topics on these forums, it appears you have a lack of grasp of the concept of common sense. Thanks for the compliment, err... i think... Adam, Some of your arguments are stupid. yet some are worse. The use of the LIM's on BTM's station area allows the trains to be shunted into the service siding only from the rear of the station platform, not the staging area. With another train behind it (which there definitely would have been, as that is generally how it would have been by the time it was despatched) it would be impossible to shunt this train into the siding without it doing another cycle. Further to this, information which was brought to my attention AFTER I made the original statement, indicates the cast members elected to yellow tag the train AFTER it left the station. I would assume that this means the noise was seen as being dangerous as it left the station, and was therefore beyond recall. It was acted on in the appropriate way, just not soon enough to avoid the disaster. Unless you are one of the operators charged with the operation of the Big Thunder Mountain Railroad during September 2003, you have no possible way of knowing WHEN the noise was detected. Even the DOSH detailed in their report, that the noise was heard "some time between when the train was brought into service and when the accident occurred". As said just above, it might have only just been heard above all the screams and other park noises as it was dispatched on that fatal 13th cycle, which by then was too late. The ride will not close, it will simply lose a train to the service siding, so stop talking about it CLOSING ffs... i think we can direct this question to Bussy or Daniel. Lets say they detect a noise coming from Gondola 2 on Space Probe as it is despatched, or one of the rafts on snowy appears to be faulty in some way as it leaves the despatch area. There is no indication in the manual of what you should fo.... Bussy, Daniel, in those two situations, what do you do? (i have used these two situations because both rides contain numerous passenger vehicles which can operate independantly of one another.) also, your link to the DOSH doesnt work.

as far as I am aware Gazza, the same way the sea is influenced by the magnetic pull of the two poles and the sun causing low tide and high tide, I would assume that this would be relatively the same sort of thing. it is an effect that occurs with many structures that are tall, but not necessarily hevily reinforced... namely towers without lots of cabling support.

and in regards to the interviewing of the cast members operating the ride: The operators were not stupid. they knew what to do. They didnt need a line in a manual to tell them what to do. Nobody can tell from that report when the noise was detected. it might have only been detected on the 12th cycle... who knows? YOU certainly don't Adam... Now, stop being a disagreeable little twat that thinks he knows everything because so far the experts and non-experts alike have proven you wrong on all but one occasion. Particularly in this discussion, there is not one point you have brought up that cannot be discounted by factual evidence. Maintenance Screwed Up. Will that stop me from getting on one of the best themed coasters in the world? No. NOW SHUT THE HELL UP BEFORE I PUT A BOOT IN YOUR ASS Wheres daniel? ordinarily he would have piped up at this little twat a long time ago...

Good. Agreed. Case Closed. because until now there never really was a need for this to be documented. If i wanted to write a manual on the operation of a mechanical device, i cannot conceive of every possible situation arising until it has happened. i can come up with a lot of "what ifs" but im not going to think of every single thing until it happens, and i can devise a means to fix it. owwww boy... bad move. bottom line adam is that it is YOU that doesnt understand. There was no reason prior to the accident to close the entire ride. the ride design allows for operators to take trains in and out of service in a matter of minutes. there was no evidence that anything was wrong with any other train, and an unexpected closure of the ride in the middle of park operation would deliver some very angry guests to the queue line, guest relations office, not to mention peeved patrons who then take their anger out in other areas of the park. what you fail to understand is that the procedure of "YELLOW TAG" (ging) is that a ride vehicle with a yellow tag is deemed unsafe for operation and taken out of service IMMEDIATELY. upon the train's return to the station on the 13th cycle, the train would have had a yellow tag applied, and been immediately shunted off into the storage area, thus taking it out of service, and removing the danger, without needing to close the entire ride. UNDERSTAND? and the various sources all get their info from the same place. Again the original link you listed to another forum source discussing this accident has one of the members talking about the press that came out that day, which dwindled over the hours after the accident as most reporters realised the amount of "conjecture and hearsay" that was being reported. find a dictionary, and look up those two words... As previously discussed, it is unnecessary to shut down an entire ride. If a gondola on Space Probe or Giant Drop is making a funny noise, do they shut down the entire ride, or just the gondola? Your logic scares me sometimes adam. Your logic suggests that if i come into a hospital with a pain in my right hand, the most logical thing to do would be to amputate the arm above the elbow. So your entire argument is along the lines of WHAT IF the policies were in place. WHAT IF I came up to queensland to hunt you down and kill you? The procedures recommened by DOSH were not those recommended to prevent the accident occurring, nor were they made because it was the cause of the incident. During their investigation, they realised a potential flaw in the operations manual, which they suggested be corrected. The news report you listed above, which talks of "operators complaining that no procedure was in place" is reworded alarmist reporting of the media, taken direct from the DOSH report, where it states only that the cast members indicated the manual does not detail a specific procedure in the case of unusual operation. they did not "complain at the inquiry" they just answered the questions of the investigating officer which brought him to the conclusion that there was a deficiency in the manual's language. Which under standard procedures would have prevented the accident had it not happened during the cycle in which they elected to yellow tag it. As discussed, yellow tagging the train IS taking the train out of service, and therefore removing danger removing the train from the track is THE SAME THING as yellow tagging. the operators did the right thing. they are not at fault, nor is disney, as this accident was not forseeable from a simple unusual noise from the train. The operators acted with best judgement that it could possibly have been (as the ride was only just back into service after an overhaul) new parts that need time to burn in, and since the noise had not cleared up within a reasonable amount of time, they elected to take it out of service. Yes, its unfortunate that someone died Yes, it could have been prevented No, the changes to the operations manual would not necessarily have saved this persons life. Yes, the only way it could have been prevented were if maintenance had followed the correct disney procedures from the beginning Yes, it was Maintenance's fault, not disneys. The only factor that caused this accident was a failure of maintenance to understand the procedures that disney had in place. If maintenance followed and knew their procedures, there would not have been a need for cast members to have an amendment to their manuals stating "what to do if..." as if the maintenance procedures were followed, this would never occur. END OF STORY

Precisely. Regardless of what the cast member's training manual said, the accident could have happened with or without the extra lines in the training manual. The quotes you listed detail that Disney was to make an amendment to the manual in regards to "funny noises" as a result of the enquiry. it was not a cause of the accident. The loose bolts on the upstop guidewheel could have failed on the very first cycle, rather than the 13th cycle. If it happened on the first cycle, it would not matter if there was an amendment to the manual. the quote I have listed is the be-all and end-all of the investigation - MAINTENANCE was at fault, and nothing more.

.au.... i agree, but essentially these forums are a place for members to discuss every facet of rides and theme parks. i find the questions tiring sometimes to say the least, but it is what the forums are intended for, and while i find it annoying, I am not about to tell him to stop altogether.

And some further info for you - taken from www.answers.com So further to the 1 in 48 million effort, only 3 were from Park Negligence, and one of those was a cast member, not a guest.

From www.sacbee.com: I rest my case Adam...

Bussy - i'm scared.... you agreed with me on practically every point...... even the one i didnt think you would... and sorry that this isnt anything decidedly meaningful to the current discussion, i just had to point out that i got very scared seeing you agree with me....

i have just viewed the vid you have buzz, and apart from the low quality, it is awesome. i think my vids are clearer (less pixelation) but slower framerates. it was good to see the historic filming of the beast in its early days, and the transparent frame bit you used to put your info in front of video and the like was good. your skills in vid editing are superior to mine, but uniqueness is not something you can claim with this one! lol. not many people can use the Wonderland Park Music in their videos either (lol).... unfortunately it would appear that both the people who have on-ride wonderland footage are able to do so... lmao. The one main difference between your footage and mine is that mine is a forwards-facing-only shot, from the front seat, filmed by my own hand. no different camera angles are used... so we each have good and bad points... i only wish i had of known you were making this one, i could have contributed towards it... nice logos and stuff on the end of it too.

im sure she will be there next time Rappa...

ok so a number of replies coming here - Buzz... it would be very funny if you were joking, PM with with some further info on it.... Albert - when DPA opened, it contained a thread that has since been removed, called "r-c bashing" and the description of the thread was something along the lines of "tell me all the problems and complaints you have from richard. you can post safely here, i won't delete it, and if Richard does anything to you, ill sort him out" How can you not expect those who are loyal supporters of this site not to be offended by someone who openly asks his members to "bash" Roller-Coaster.com.au, and the site Administrator, someone who by far is very skilled, intelligent, and fair, but also makes his own decisions about his site in regards to who or what is allowed on the site to keep the peace of the majority? As far as errors in programming, in a conversation i had recently with Paul, he detailed to me his extensive programming experience in CGIPHP and Cisco Systems. While im certain thats a crock, as the site programmer and host is not the site administrator, but a different person... As far as contributions, paul has a lot of images of the park in its early days, from members of this site, and his own collections as well. Wonderbuzz has been a big contributor to this sort of media, but as far as I am aware, a lot of people who Paul has approached for permission to use their material on his site said no, because of - 1) the way in which he approached them 2) his previous bad attitude and behaviour towards them, and other members considered to be their friends. Personally, I gave paul a few photos and videos that would be suited for use on his site, unfortunately, he was too immature to retain the friendship we had, and he never asked me for permission to use the material. I assure you if he were to utilise the materials on his site, I would sue both him and the site owner (who is a nice guy) for breach of copyright. Its a concept with limited scope, poor research, and a lack of materials to make it interesting. Richard devotes a lot of his time to researching information. he has set up a network of contacts to be the first with the info, and also makes constant visits to parks, particularly during periods of heavy construction and refurb to give us updates. how long can DEFUNCT PARKS OF AUSTRALIA last? there can only be so many parks in Australia that close down... and even less of those will be parks that have a broad appeal to the wider community, and are able to supply enough information to sustain a conversational topic about it IN that wider community. As far as designing a site, another user is already in the process of doing so, with site testing being done as I type this. To respect Richard's guidelines I will neither identify the member, or the site in question, but only know that with around the same basic availability of information as DPA, this site will be able to sustain itself a lot better than DPA. Apologies for getting off topic... but to get back to it, it will be interesting to get information on the deconstruction of probe. I recall a maintenance worker lost a finger or two when he failed to follow procedure and a magnetic brake fin came too close to another fin, and they clamped together severing finger(s). I wonder if the plc (or whatever it was that Wonderbus posted a while ago) will be replaced or rebirthed after it died by a shoddy maintenance job...

i like the billboard idea Joz. it works well, and would fit in nicely. fake trees i dont like... it would be too easy to tell, and they would become run down over time... i agree as far as the points on the theming too, and the mirror does suck.. but just like you said, it rates the same, before and after... so if it aint broke...?

yes it does.... quite a lot actually for what could be classed as just a coaster. not as much, obviously as indiana or splash mountain, but sufficient to the ride's design.

Touche, my boy. i didnt pick that one up. The Disney procedures and policies I was referring to was in regards to the maintenance technicians, and the Green Tag, Yellow Tag procedures. The procedure that has been added by Disney since the accident regarding what an operator should do was never there before because it was never needed. there had never been cause previously for a section in the manual detailing "what to do if the train makes a funny noise" because daily maintenance on these trains picks it up. When a green tag is placed on an individual train vehicle, it is valid for 72 hours from the time it is placed. if the train has not seen service for more than 72 hours after the tag was placed, it must be re-tagged again before it can go into service. Bear in mind though that this is one persons opinion and thoughts. Bussy and Daniel have an opinion on the maintenance of rides at Wonderland too, but while im not saying they ARE wrong, operators don't see EVERYTHING that goes into the maintenance of these rides, and the attitude they have towards it could be incorrect. Again I come back to saying, that at the time, there was no policy in place on what an operator should do, and they had no reason to believe that the train was faulty, as i said before it might have just been a new part that needed time to burn in. when it didnt resolve after 12 cycles, they elected that upon return to the station, it would be shunted back off to the sidings, as if it were a new part, it should have burnt in enough by cycle 12. Also as an interesting Sidenote, all of the animatronics and special effects found in Disneyland Rides, including pirates of the carribbean, the haunted mansion, splash mountain and the like are never turned off, and neither is the audio system throughout the park. it is too costly for Disneyland to shut them down every night and restart them every morning, and also unreliable, being that sometimes things dont restart the way they should. They simply turn the sound to mute, so that the cleaners and maintenance workers don't go bonkers. Also, until recently, Disneyland used to replace EVERY SINGLE LIGHT GLOBE IN THE PARK at the same time. Walt's vision was that of perfection, so at the minimum hours quoted by the manufacturer of the globe, every bulb is replaced, so no globes blow in the middle of operation and ruin the effect, although it seems from reports these days that under Eisner's management, this quality control has been let go, allowing numerous globes in the park tp blow, and have been for several days before they are replaced. Im not saying it is what I would expect, but any ride operator will tell you that any delay for safety reasons, while sometimes necessary causes a lot of seriously peeved guests. (Daniel, Bussy... jump in anytime) Guests will simply not understand that an operators "hunch" means they have to wait even 30 seconds more to get on this ride... and that doesnt just apply to Disney. Essentially, without concrete evidence that something was seriously wrong (it was just a noise afterall.. it could have been ANYTHING, not all of which could have been potentially dangerous.) But with the suspicions they had, they elected to allow the train to complete it's cycle, before shunting it into storage before getting maintenance to have a look at it. It was one cycle too late for this, but the operators were not to know. I can tell you now that at other parks (not Disney) that in the past (without siting sources as I am unable to remember them at the moment) there have been instances of operators either e-stopping a ride, or refusing to operate the ride because of an issue they felt needed addressing by maintenance. some of these operators have been counselled, disciplined, or dismissed because of it. To take down a ride like BTM on a suspicion, while it may or may not have saved a life, you end up with one hell of a lot of peeved guests. Look how many people complain about ToT's problems with staging when it rolls back too far... or when Giant Drop only operates ONE cabin because of maintenance issues... What about when Wipeout was emitting a horrid noise during operation... did the operator close it down immediately and request a full investigation? A noise isn't always something an operator should just up and Close a ride for. its a fine line a park has to walk between safety and guest satisfaction. Unfortunately, this time the line was crossed the wrong way, But I don't fault the operators or the park one bit. it was maintenance. that is all, thats the end of it. and it was an external company that screwed up... not disney.

the trees to the left of the track are not large enough to cover the scaffolding. to truly hide it it would require numerous trees, very closely planted to cover it. they would need to be a lot higher, and with height comes a need for stability. imagine the root bases of trees that high? it could cause serious structural damage to the ride, which would be dangerous. While storms generally help branches fall off, branches can also fall down from the sheer weight of the branch, with little or no wind at all. I also seriously doubt it is possible for there to be sufficient cameras to cover every inch of track on the ride, and also to have enough people watching those cameras so that the branch fall would be noticed IMMEDIATELY. one operator watching the cameras, who is also incharge of despatching the boats at the start would not be sufficient. Also, if a branch of this size were to fall on the ride, there is no guarantee it would be noticed in time for the boats to be caught on a safety brake before it reached the branch = injuries again. It all comes down to it being too cost ineffective, for very little gain in the grand scheme of things. its not feasible, it wouldn't work, and they're not going to do it.

In doing a quick search on RCDB, out of 47 coasters that are: Shuttle Sit Down Made by Vekoma, 27 of them are named Boomerang, Plus 1 Zoomerang, not including Visionland. (some results are double ups, as the RCDB includes coasters twice if they relocated - eg: Titan became Demon) Roller Coaster Amusement Park 1Boomerang Bellewaerde Park 2Boomerang Fantasilandia 3Boomerang Freizeit-Land Geiselwind 4Boomerang Geroland 5Boomerang Hafan y Môr Holiday Park 6Boomerang Jerudong Park 7Boomerang Knott's Berry Farm 8Boomerang La Ronde 9Boomerang Parc de Montjuic 10Boomerang Parque de la Costa 11Boomerang Playcenter São Paulo 12Boomerang Pleasure Island Family Theme Park 13Boomerang Six Flags Elitch Gardens 14Boomerang Six Flags Fiesta Texas 15Boomerang Six Flags Marine World 16Boomerang Six Flags Mexico 17Boomerang Tashkent Park 18Boomerang Tivoliland 19Boomerang Walibi Aquitaine 20Boomerang Walibi Rhône-Alpes 21Boomerang Wiener Prater 22Boomerang Wild Adventures 23Boomerang Woobang Towerland 24Boomerang Worlds of Fun 25Boomerang Zygo Park 26Boomerang Coast-to-CoasterGreat Escape 27Boomerang Coast to CoasterSix Flags Darien Lake 28Cobra Walibi Belgium 29Cobra West Midlands Safari Park 30Colossus Habtoorland 31Demon Wonderland Sydney 32Flashback Six Flags New England 33Flashback Six Flags Over Texas 34Head Spin Geauga Lake 35Krachen Al-Shallal Theme Park 36La Via Volta Walibi World 37Ragin’ Cajun Dixie Landin’ 38Sea Serpent Morey's Piers 39Sidewinder Hersheypark 40Space Shuttle Enchanted Kingdom 41Thunderbolt Aladdin's Kingdom 42Tidal Wave Trimper's Rides 43Titan World Expo Park 44Unknown Grandlink World 45Vampire Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom 46Zoomerang Lake Compounce 47Zydeco Scream Six Flags New Orleans

i believe Gazza was being sarcastic, as was I, on the name being unique... Zoomerang was used for another ride of the same design. Given it has a boomerang element, and so many across the world are already CALLED boomerang, Zoomerang is just another play on word(s). Titan and Demon were unique names, and it would seem that our poor demon has been saddled with a name that lacks creativity and uniqueness, and has had it, or a variation, applied to most of the other rides of the same design. the demon as we know it is unique no more. At least Demon was themed reasonably well (as far as wonderland standard goes), and had an entire themed land built around it. Zoomerang will just be a standard ride with standard gates. its name doesnt imply much in the way of theming, so it will just be another carnival type ride plonked smack bang in the middle of their park, wherever they have the space for its footprint.

Adding sparks always adds a risk of fire, regardless of how safe you try to make it. the only "safe" way would be to play a video of the sparks on a screen... Disney's "fire" effect in Pirates of the Carribbean is a white sheet, with an orange and red flickering light behind it, and a fan specially designed to blow the sheet to look like fire - but even in this situation, if the sheet were to catch on the light, a potential fire hazard would exist there as well. the trees you added are small bushes, and the tall trees in the distance are off the rides footprint. planting large trees, big enough to hide this scaffolding, would need to be inside the footprint, and need to be very tall (ala-gum trees etc). Large trees tend to have large branches, and in high winds, these branches can fall off, into the water and cause a hazard. there would be no sensory system that could detect a branch in any one place on the track, without installing sensors every metre along the track (very expensive), so the results would be a branch in front of a boat, which can cause a "Traffic jam" as well as have the potential to cause injury. Also, these types of trees would need a long time to grow. Go and have a look at the photos in the wonderland thread posted by Wonderbuzz. photos in 1985 show a very sparse smattering of sapling sized gumtrees. it took 19 years to grow into what they are now, which only just hides HBLGoldrush from the middle areas of the park. For WBMW to plant enough trees to hide this facade and scaffold and enough time to let them grow, replacing ones that die or fall down early in their life, would be a mammoth, costly and wasteful undertaking, not to mention a very slow way to fix this problem, which, while detracting from the appearance of the ride, most people who ride this ride do not look at this, because they are too busy screaming and hiding from water splashes. it is only very super critical theme park junkies such as yourself and myself who would notice, and complain about this sort of thing. The exit to Batman Adventure is a plain white colourbond wall on one side, and a chain link fence on the other. should they hide this too? bottom line is this sort of thing is either not safe or too costly to hide, and not worth the effort in the end anyway. The only park I know of, who is capable of hiding EACH AND EVERY PART of their back-of-house facilities is Disney, and most of their rides are indoor or underground, so thats a lot easier than a 40 metre mountain. The exception to that rule would be the Matterhorn, but the Matterhorn track is all based inside the mountain itself, and doesnt wind in and out of the mountain like Wild West.

then the same would go for buying a house someone died in, or a car, or driving on a road someone was killed on - ever drive down a country road and see a white cross and flowers along a particularly tight bend? its called ACCIDENTS HAPPEN. I am not condoning Disneyland cutting corners on their maintenance. I would love to go back to the days where their maintenance team was in house - but every corporation is in the business to make money, whether its selling groceries or adrenaline rush, and they need to make decisions. sometimes, those decisions are wrong, and they are learnt from. The point here is that there was not a documented procedure for the operators to follow. They weren't sure what to do. How I read the report, it seemed to me that they had come to the decision to remove it from the circuit after the train had staged and loaded. it is not possible to take the train from the staging area to the storage area, without it doing a full cycle (as far as i am aware), so loaded or not, it would have to return to the disembarking area (which is behind the staging area) to be brought back into the storage and yellow tagged. Once a train is loaded, the cast members would also have wanted to minimise the inconvenience to the guests, as nobody wants to load, then unload and load again - they would be seriously annoyed at the operators. The right thing to do should have been to remove it the moment the noise was apparent, but again, the operators had no clear communication from Disneyland as to what they are supposed to do, in this situation. Disney did all that they could in this situation. While they have accepted blame as the owner and operator of the attraction, it was through no action on Disney's part that this occurred. Disney had all the proper procedures and policies in place. All of the Disney Employees knew the policies in regards to an attraction that was not safe to ride. Train number 2 had a green tag, so they put it into service. it was the external Maintenance contractor who were not educated in the correct greenyellow tag procedure. Repeating - Disney accepted the blame for the accident - of course they did, it was their ride, their operating staff, and the maintenance was performed by a contractor paid for by Disney. for legal purposes, they had to accept blame, but outside of a court of law, what I am saying is that Disneyland Resort California did nothing wrong. it was the fault of the contractor. Thats not what Bus meant when he said that, but as with a grand opening on a ride, every nut and bolt is given a thorough inspection before it is opened again for service. you know there will be no problems after this has happened. Pump 10 Million people through Dreamworld, open it from 10am to midnight EVERY DAY, and then compare death statistics after dreamworld has operated for 50 years. If thunderbolt was still standing after fifty years, im sure it would have eventually had some sort of large issue. Where the report says that the operators had decided to "tag" the train, this was referring to YELLOW TAGGING the train, which would take the train out of service immediately upon its return to the disembarking area. Unlike a ride like Bush Beast, that requires a fair amount of time to bring the second train in or out of service, the operators of BTM are capable of incycling or outcycling a train from or to service in a few minutes, without the assistance of maintenance personnel. Personally I think the only goof in this situation was that the train was signed off by someone who did not do the repair. If the guy who attached the upstop assembly signed off on it, the bolts would have been tightened. And if they weren't then he is solely to blame. A technician who signs off on something that he has not personally checked is just asking for trouble and disaster. this is the only mistake in this entire situation. An operator is not a technician. they are not to know that a slight change in noise is a fault with a train. it could be that maintenance put a new wheel assembly on the train which is a little tighter fitting, and it needs to "burn in" for a few cycles, which is why they cycled the train 12 times before electing to yellow tag it again. I stand by my statement that Disney did nothing wrong. All of their policies and procedures were in place, and available to the external maintenance company. it was the maintenance companies duty to follow those safeguards put in place, and by their own mismanagement - someone died. Disney owns the ride, and pays for the maintenance, so they ultimately are at fault in a legal proceeding, but morally, and responsibly, it was West Reliability Team who goofed up, not Disney.