Baconjack
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Zamperla coming in to retrofit Superman to LSM's and adding some new trains is a very viable alteration that could be made in the next 10-15 years to keep the ride going. Especially as parts start to run out for the hydraulic coasters. You could relaunch the ride and re-do the dark ride section as well, given how spotty that's been for some years.
It's easily one of the most popular rides at MW, and I don't see this changing for quite a while. I think it's a slam dunk really.
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Good to see the graphics on the screens are to the standard of Scooby-Doo Next Generation!
Oh well, it’s still a night and day improvement from the Rivals shed. The rockwork looks nice but the screen cheapens it.
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On 26/10/2022 at 3:41 PM, Dean Barnett said:
Do you guys think the problem with ST is the public see it as too similar or inferior to rivals?
The only thing Movie World doesn’t offer in comparison (now) is inversions. The launch gets covered by Superman.
I do agree but for different reasons.
First the ride's presentation is very underwhelming. It is presented like a zoo exhibit - not a theme park attraction. Wipeout and Taipan have both served as 'great white hope' investments, but Wipeout looks far cooler on a TVC or on social media than Taipan is (given the level of detail between these two rides are night and day). The ride itself isn't exactly that special either, because to an average guest it looks similar to rivals - both cosmetically and in terms of ride layout - an inverted coaster would have given them something unique rather than dropping a cool $30 million on a clone. A well-done flume could even have been an even better use for that money at the time to bring back families.
The Kenny & Belinda theme is going to probably take over Dreamworks. The license is probably up for renewal soon and I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Comcast isn't keen on renewing one of their IP's to a competitor, or is charging a hefty amount for the privilege. IMO it's a shit retheme - because there's attractions like Pandamonium that you need to fit into that area which skew well above what the theme would suggest. A simple generic theme would do nicely without use of characters.
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4 hours ago, Slick said:
I reckon so.
Opening day Lethal Weapon and Wipeout still bests it imo.
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10 hours ago, Rivals said:
The park has finally started teasing the rides even though ones complete and the others ones a couple track pieces from being complete. Looks like they must be getting Arkham by the look of that concept art🤣
If they manage to re-construct Arkham from cut up blowtorched bits, give Gumbuya World management and the construction company they contracted a medal lmao.
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I'd say a good half of this thread probably haven't ridden a wooden coaster. Another third have done BB (by all accounts on the rough end of the spectrum), and the rest have done more. Woodies are naturally rough, that's part and parcel of them, but it adds to the fun.
I think you have to come to expect any coaster in Australia will have a little rattle at least, because they aren't designed for our climate which is far warmer than Europe or America where most of these rides get built.
Leviathan will be a more than sufficient ride that replaces Corkscrew's role in the lineup (albeit a little late). Based on nl2 recreations and testing footage it maintains its speed quite well and flies through that layout. I think we might have a new "best coaster in the southern hemisphere" contender with this one + it looks like Village has improved its presentation standards beyond the minimal crap that was standard for years. Vortex/Rivals didn't have rockwork, statues & well presented stations beyond an open air shed.
Fwiw, that concept artwork is nearly 4 years old, so it's a bit unfair to judge presentation of it now based on that artwork. Who remembers when Steel Taipan's rendering had some very good landscaping?
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It’s easy to blame the woman for entering the ride area that we all know is a dangerous thing to do, but at the end of the day, a ride op should be trained to see people entering the ride area while in motion, so it’s more than just the woman’s fault, the operator needs to cop some of the blame. Not sure how carnies get trained but I know when I was trained on operating dodgems this was what I was told. Maybe some cameras in the ride operator booth to make it easier? Or better training?
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Superman is reasonably reliable, I rarely hear it ever being shut outside of its annual maintenance period. It also helps that the ride is small in scale compared to the other installs so there's less things to work on.
West obviously faces the problem of being harder to maintain as it gets older - it's a very common problem with flumes. Concrete doesn't last forever.
Scooby has the one of a kind elevator, but otherwise it's a very simple ride system that should rarely be down. Perhaps the elevator is getting on in years?
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2010 called, it wants its top 10 best coasters list back.
The wooden coaster list is even more of a fraud. There's a few woodies in China that would easily shit on about three quarters of the list.
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To be fair it wasn't announced or known to anyone that an identical model would be built in its exact spot. Though it made sense - very popular ride that was difficult to maintain. Just like Dragster.
Fwiw, I never rode Dragster, but the LSM conversion as rumoured is a perfect metaphor for Mack Tango Train vs SBF Visa Tango Train.
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My money's on a refit of the launch system to LSMs + a retheme. Perhaps a switch track and backwards spike for a swing LSM launch would be an out-there guess but unlikely.
Logistically this is possible, Red Force's track is much shorter and launches to a similar speed to dragster, plus LSM's can be put on angled track. It's more less a question if Cedar Fair has the money to do the refit - but they build at Cedar Point as if money isn't an object.
If this is what's done, then it's a slam dunk for MW to do the same to Superman to keep it going as parts for these hydraulic coasters get harder to come by in the next 10 years.
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I miss tower, sure in its last years it could barely crack halfway up the tower but there is really nothing like it here anymore. Sure you have your steel taipans and supermans but they aren’t comparable imo.
Riding it in its opening year when it ran at max power must have been incredible.
I’ll add Gold Coaster while it was in Sydney to the list too. The setting alone improves the ride so much, it’s unfortunate that I never got to experience it when it was there. It feels like that ride was built specially for Sydney - at Dreamworld it doesn’t feel like it belongs there even as WWW has been built around it.
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2 hours ago, Naazon said:
How long do Flats normally last? DD is 6 years now.
The old Huss rides at Luna Park lasted for 30 years (and 25 for flying saucer). Ex DW stingray lasted for 35. Ex SW pirate ship has clocked close to 40 years. Black Widow and Rampage are each over 20 years old and are still going. They can last if parks want it to but obviously costs are going to be prohibitive at some point as parts get harder to come by (see wipeout). Fwiw our parks do well at this, wipeout was lucky to run for as long as it did when so many of the other installs couldn’t even get half the mileage.
The Malaysia install closed after it ran for about 10 years so who knows how long Doomsday has left. I’d say it will either get rethemed to fit the Wild West area or removed in a few years time though.
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Sledgehammer is garbage. You’re going to have a hard time fitting into the restraints if you’re above 6 foot or are bigger, which is a problem for more people than you’d think.
Spend the cash and get the new gen Intamin version like what’s at Adventure World.
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8 hours ago, HussRainbow87 said:
There are a few machines coming over as well as Rainbow coming back.
Is this owned by the same bloke who bought the LPS ranger as a parts donor? Heard this yarn a while back
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3 minutes ago, Gazza said:
But would a wild mouse at DW be as good as scooby?
Maybe if it was like G'sengte Sau at Prater where it's just enormous?
A Gerstlauer Bobsled would be different enough from Scooby, and arguably better than what Scooby is now. Alternatively, get a good spinner. It's puzzling to me how no major park in this country has one yet.
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Motocoaster is easily worse than Boating School Blast and Roadrunner. If it wasn't built so high off the ground it might have been a little more redeemable, but it loses so much of its steam during the 2nd lap and is just a slow, boring mess. Even the family coasters offer better pacing.
Madagascar is garbage. Reminds me a lot of the later years of Lethal Weapon but with a boring layout, the worst of both worlds. Some new trains/restraints would make it slightly more bearable.
13 minutes ago, Coasterjoe said:Add to that its the only full circuit coaster at DW that can be enjoyed by families, they can do a lot better in the family coaster department
Motocoaster and Gold Coaster are pretty much family thrill coasters when compared to ST, so not sure if this point is accurate.
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Wild really would have been a bad expansion if Village went ahead with it, it never made much sense. Glad that Leviathan/Trident takes up that land now.
Wizard of Oz was meant to be a Joker's Madhouse themed Raptor - custom layout, etc, before they went with the family coasters. Doomsday was originally planned as a very tall condor (144m, taller than the dreamworld tower) sitting in the middle of Superman's helix - before they decided to chuck a different ride in Boot Hill.
An ampitheatre in Gold Rush and a themed lazy river in the old boneyard/thunderbolt spot were weird choices and weren't going to achieve the same effect ST could.
Just a few I can tick off the list, most are public knowledge but always good to recap.
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Village came very close to getting a Raptor for Movie World. So an Australian company could easily work with them.
To my knowledge most of the mechanical problems on their early stuff have been ironed out by now. If you were to build a hybrid at Dreamworld you wouldn't be dealing with re-using a pre-existing structure and footings which aren't suitable for an aggressive ride. But a raptor is clearly the winner here - build it in the lazy river plot and reuse the old Thunderbolt station, reuse the name and you have free good publicity and free gate, an excellent replacement for Gold Coaster, which sits on prime real estate for WWW expansion down the track.
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Lol Dreamworld just dropped $32 million on a big coaster.
The problem with a B&M family coaster is that you are getting too little ride for what you pay for. B&M is very expensive, and there's a reason why only cashed up Chinese parks and the equally cashed up Merlin chain have bought their family coasters. There are an array of cheaper options that parks here are already investing into. Why not a family woodie, or a spinning coaster, or one of those drop track coasters that will probably cost nearly the same amount? At that point you're delving into stuff that's got a real all-ages appeal.
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On 26/08/2022 at 5:59 PM, Baconjack said:
that covers all bases when the time comes to remove Gold Coaster.
Obviously Dreamworld needs the above mentioned first + a good dark ride & refresh for ABC kids and I assume this will be what is announced later on in the year, but this should come after in the next 10 years IMO
Some people seem to be experts at taking quotes completely out of context when I literally said "buy a thrill ride after ABC Kids and flume yada yada". Don't lump me in with the rest of this mob
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10 hours ago, Vidgamer said:
This was a really fantastic article. It seems Dreamworld will be refurbishing ABC world, maybe converting it to just a Wiggles World instead.
I think the family focus for the next few rides is also a winning strategy. I love the idea of a Steel Taipan viewing platform.
If this is true, this is a huge mistake on Dreamworld's part.
Bluey is the best IP Dreamworld could secure to drive gate and given the pre-existing relationship with the license, why wouldn't they take it a step further into a dark ride? Does the Wiggles still have that same impact it did in the mid 2000's when the Wiggles area first opened up? I'd say the Wiggles will be a component of the refresh, like it has been for the last few years, with a Bluey component as well.
I'd say what we are getting is the ABC Kids refresh that's taking over the TOT queue area and a family water ride at Rocky Hollow, probably a modern flume or a shoot-the-chutes. $60m is enough to execute those two concepts well.
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3 hours ago, joz said:
Having said that, they've got the 'big coaster' thing pretty licked now. Add a mid size coaster, a decent flat and a shoot the chutes (not a power splash) and you've got a pretty well rounded park that makes sense for ST to reside in. WWW is also open weekend for half the year, and like a month in Jan. If it's not worth opening it during the week, particualy in November for end of school excursion season, it's not worth sinking millions into a new tower.
Respectfully disagree with this. Dreamworld still need to replace the gap Buzzsaw left in the lineup. You could say ST replaced both TOT & Buzzsaw, and I'm happy with that assessment, but Dreamworld having an extra anchor thrill ride is handy and there's plenty of compact options that could be placed in the park that don't break the bank (a certain plot of land cleared for a lazy river comes to mind) that covers all bases when the time comes to remove Gold Coaster.
Obviously Dreamworld needs the above mentioned first + a good dark ride & refresh for ABC kids and I assume this will be what is announced later on in the year, but this should come after in the next 10 years IMO
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11 minutes ago, Tim Dasco said:
Also worth noting if you listen to the audio recording from the meeting in the Inventory Q&A session someone asked how much these new attractions will cost. Greg said $50-$60 million within the next 3 years of pipeline. (FY23/24/25)
That can get a few attractions.. A Big thrill coaster, new slide tower, new Bluey dark ride/ABS world refresh) and a Mack Power Splash.
$50-60m isn't a lot when you really think about it, Steel Taipan was quoted at $30m.
You'd be getting closer to a good flume (or equivalent at the Rocky Hollow site), a thrill flat (replacing Wipeout) and the ABC Kids World refresh (if you're going to put another dark ride in the Big Red Car building you're looking at a new ride system + theming, which will cost good money if done properly). The latter two were planned along with Steel Taipan before covid happened, Ardent is just playing catch-up replacing their many attractions that they ran into the ground.
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Jungle Rush Coaster
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The entrance sign in the artwork looks like its from the perspective of as you walk into abc kids world so this is correct. That restaurant frees up a lot of spare real estate that will probably need to be used for the coaster, unless it's going to cross the river (based on the concept art, it doesn't)