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^Hey Jacob - I'm insane that is two coasters with inversions, I've fixed that. Now I'm off to give myself a triple uppercut. BTW which one do you prefer, you've been to both?

I didn't mind Scream, it was fun, though I do note that floorless coasters are ten times better in the front row. I've become a bit blase about B & M looping coasters because they are so ubiquitous, and they often have very similiar layouts - first drop, vertical loop, and so on. Also I prefer airtime coasters over loopers, my top ten really shows my hand: 1. Phoenix 2. Boulder Dash 3. El Toro 4. Superman Ride OF Steel (SFNE) 5. Maverick 6. Top Thrill Dragster 7. X 8. Millennium Force 9. Behemoth 10. Ravine Flyer II Wow, that's only two coasters with inversions.

^I used to think SFMM was the ants pants until I went to Cedar Point, then I thought CP was the ants pants for coasters until I rode Superman Ride of Steel at SF New England and El Toro, and last year I added Phoenix and Boulder Dash to that pantheon.

For me Cedar Point - I love the location and Maverick, Millennium Force, and Top Thrill Dragster are all in my top ten. I also really like Raptor, Magnum, Gemini, and Wicked Twister. I think SFMM has the best Flyer and Stand Up in the world but they are coaster types I'm not personally a big fan of, only X (haven't done X2) is in my top 10 from SFMM. I really like hypers, Goliath is very good but I have it way behind most hypers I have been on - 4 Intamins, 4 B & M's & 3 Arrows, but still the preference thing comes in, Goliath is more about helixes than airtime. I think if you were grading all the coasters and came up with an average SFMM would be slighly ahead, but they are two parks where coaster preferences and how much you value park atmosphere come into it and that's what puts CP firmly ahead for me. I agree with Nev CP is much more of a pain in the butt to get to.

Indiana Jones for me, with California Screaming, Space Mountain, and Matterhorn bring up the rear. A little fave of mine is Mr Toad's Wild Ride, also I haven't been on Tower of Terror so I can't consider that one.

I that park (Everland?) that has T-Express and Eagle's Fortress easy to get to while in Seoul?

Good point, but I'm in 2 minds, they had to win this court case top keep a goos part of the park operating at all but here's hoping they do something with the park now. I'd love them to build the park into an Indianan Beach style park.

Knoebels Phoenix would be sensational from an enthusiast point of view but I'm not sure how the general public would feel about a ride that threatens to throw you out of the train that many times. I'd buy a season pass to Dreamworld if they had something like that because I'd be there frequently. I did a POV of Flying Turns, I ran down with my camera going. Robb seems to think Flying Turns will be a glorified kiddie bobsled rather than the near death experience I would be hoping for. Damn I want to go back to Knoebels. Doing trip reports on TPR makes me go all maudlin. Zamperla Volare's belong in the iron semlters of Port Kembla, they are like Jigsaw from Saw designed a coaster.

I think their grounds for complaint, or at least part of it, was that when the park closed for a long time in 1979 it was neighboured by office buildings rather than residential towers like now but it's good that the counter argument that the site was always designated for an amusement park even if one wasn't operating at times prevailed. Always good to see a bunch of whiny upper class bitches not get their way once in a while. But will Luna Park invest in more rides? I doubt it.

The other think I liked about Maverick was that the coaster was like a best of compilation where they have taken the best bits from many coasters and put them into one coaster, I was surprised how much I enjoyed it. And a great coaster doesn't have to be huge, I've ridden most of the biggest but 3 of my top 5 are around the 100 foot mark. I'm all for a full on indoor coaster, although some didn't, I really liked the Flight Of Fear coasters (similiar to Rock n Roller Coaster), and I think a Eurofighter loans itself well to an indoor concept.

^Yeah I meant a Maverick style coaster, which is very low to the ground and would interact nicely with the wooded area but also like I said, way too many $USD. I'd be happy to see at Maverick style coaster at any park, I loved it.

I'm all for a Megalite, they are reasonably affordable, would appeal to broad ridership and are supposed un-bloody-believable - all the fun of a hyper without having to build a 200 foot plus lift hill. I'm looking forward to riding one in June. Stuff all that, I'm just trying to justify what I want there. I think a Maverick style coaster would be a good fit for Dreamworld (imagine one winding through the forest) but unfortunately that would be way too pricey for an Australian park (I think Cedar Point paid at least $21 million USD).

Glad you had a good second day at Cedar Point, I've been there when there was no wait for anything and that's just gold. I went to Great America last year, luckily we had gold q-bots because it would have been awful otherwise for lines. You really dodged a bullet on Iron Wolf, that coaster is terrible and rough. I had another awesome coaster tour in August, so it's really cool to read your reports, it really brings back memories.

^Oops, I meant Tom the guy who started the thread, sorry Cadboy. Looking like the Dull Knight, hopefully I'll get the credit during ERT and then forget about it. I think Six Flags has copped the tip and won't be buiding any more - you could have built a much better coaster for the dosh they splashed out on that.

^I think you are incapable of telling a tongue in cheek remark from a serious one. Do you think I'd seriously risk potentially copping an assault charge and a criminal record because of some overzealous ride op, I don't think so - I'd just complain if I felt strongly enough. Back on topic, I'll be back at Great Adventure in August - we have been advised this week that we have ERT on El Toro (and possibly Kingda Ka and Dark Knight) as well as having Gold Flash Passes for the day, so it should be a great day as long as the weather holds out. Cadboy, on top of your review of Dark Knight, it seems quite unaminous that it is a bit average to put it mildly. The bigger shame is that Dark Kight replaced Chiller, which was a really good coaster (based on my rides on the Robin side), fair enough it was very problematic for the park, but still a real shame.

I went on a vertical speed slide at Wet and Wild Orlando with a trap door and that was nerve racking enough let alone having a loop as well, I'd definitely go for it.

Fire, but only just, I thought Fire was just a little more intense but there really wan't that much of a difference from what I can remember from 2004.

Probably with El Toro and Nitro you have to be careful, I saw a guys sunnies float off his face on Nitro though he managed to catch them before they flew away. Cedar Point lets you wear glasses on anything even Dragster as long as you have a strap. I think it varies from state to state in the US, for example at Knott's, another Cedar Fair park, won't let you wear glasses even with a strap. I'm suspicious that MW is making a lot of money out of those lockers at SE.

If it had been a guy I would have decked him, but a reasonably cute girl - I'll let her off.

Next time I will say "rendered incapable of reproduction". In my experience SE has the most draconian rider restrictions I have come across in the world, this girl thought I had stuff in my pockets when I go in my seat so I had to stand up and she padded me down including my back pockets. I would have been really pissed off if a guy op had done that. Even X lets you have your wallet in your back pocket, and believe you are in danger of losing your wallet on that ride. It will be interesting to see what GAdv operations are like this year I haven't been there since their operations allegedly stopped being totally crap.

Front row is worth the wait for KK as it is much better than anywhere else on the train though you are increasing the odds of getting hit with a breakdown with a longer wait. I'm glad I did a Gold Flash pass the last time I visited in 2006 because I swear continents moved faster than the regular KK line. From what I hear operations on KK are much more improved now. I prefer exclusively front row for floorless or inverts, and front or back row for all other coasters - though most woodies I have been on seem better in the back like El Toro, Voyage, Hades, Cornball Express, and Cyclops. Avalanche was the only woodie I have been that was better in the front than back though it has really short trains. The third row in the front train on Magnum is called the ejector seat and for good reason, you should have seen the look on one of my friens faces last year when he did the ejector seat on his first ride on Magnum, he just about got neutered.

I don't see Kingda Ka's height record being broken any time soon, though with all the cashed up development in Dubai who knows what will happen there. I believe the German coaster (and it only barely scrapes in as being classified as a coaster) Racecoaster will beat the speed record but is low to the ground. As far as Kingda Ka's launch goes Top Thrill Dragster is more intense and that was the consensus from everyone I know who has done both including myself. There is three pulses with Kingda Ka whereas Dragter is one big pulse. Also I found that KK is very shaky (except towards the front) which takes away some of the sensation of speed. When I go back this year, will I ride KK, yes but probably only a couple of times max. El Toro on the other hand I plan on spending most of the day riding, Nitro will get some attention as well. All other rides will get one go at best as I have ridden them all before except for Dark Knight. A Gold Flash Pass and ERT will certainly improve the day as long as the weather co-operates.

Kingda Ka has also been called Kinda Krap (bad downtime in the past), and Kingda Klosed (which spoiled my first visit after it opened). Good to Dark Knight is just the Dull Knight, I'm going again this year so I'll just ride and forget about. I love El Toro, I'll be riding Superman Ride of Steel and El Toro within a day of each other (rather than a year apart) so I can finally make a definitive decision for my # 1 coaster. That bus service from PABT is really handy, it makes it so easy to get there - I caught the first one at 7.30am and got there nice and early. Also I used a Gold Flash Pass last visit and it was worth every cent, I wouldn't go there without one if the lines are long.

For what it is, it looks OK, but it it is not enough to make me visit DW anytime soon.

The song by Midnight Oil called River Runs Red is in my mind for some reason? At Luna Park Sydney, the old Big Dipper did derail not long before the Ghost Train Fire. Most coasters have upstop wheels these days that should stop derailment, though a Final Destination 3 style catastrophic structure failure could theoretically happen, just remember if it's your time, don't dodge the reaper.