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@Richard Where do the stats for rides like Wild West Falls come from? Capacity (per hour) 1440 people per hour

Sorry AlexB it's still to long. Can you shorten it please?

I said shit. Nobody read it. The end.

I'll dumb it down for you.

Very grown up of you.

Thanks for the photo @djrappa I was looking at it he other day and never noticed the service stairs. I might need to get my eyes checked. Relating to our last discussion I think I need to mention why a BA has a completion by date. The National Construction Code. The National Construction Code or the NCC which once went by the Building code of Australia. Around every May each year a revised NCC is released. NCC is, it’s the Bible for construction. Skeet story time. When I first finished schooling I worked one of the biggest house builder in QLD. The company I worked for had enough land in stock to last them for the next 20 years. Every year leading up to the new BCA which it was called at that time. We would go over what was going to be changed in the new edition. Most of the times it was minor things but sometime it was major changes. Anything that added cost to a new dwelling would be consider major. So what all the major builders do is before the new changes come into effect they lodge as many application as they can. The upside for the builder was say when we had to start energy rating houses to get a BA. The change added around $3000.00 to one dwelling. If the builder prolonged the new change as long as possible it would mean the builder could sell the house $3000.00 dollars cheaper than another builder could. The problem with this is if a builder had 20 years stock of with BA on all of them, by the time they were complete they would be 20 years behind the NCC. That’s the reason why you get a completion date. It’s the governments way to inforce the changes into the buildings over a 2 year period. When a certifier goes out to do his/her inspections during the build he doesn’t goes of the current rules but the rules at the time of approval. This is the reason for stage approvals. A good example is the for ever coming Coomera Town Centre. This had a building approval a while ago but between the approval process and the build Westfield have changed their mind again for whatever reason and now don’t want to build the new centre all at once. If BA lasted forever Westfield could have just built to a point and finished the rest of the building 10 years later. Westfield have ended having to lodge a new stage approval for the part of they want to build. As per my example this means when the 2nd stage goes ahead a new application will be lodged and it will be built to the correct code. Because no one can confirm or deny or even share how close they are to the source which is 100% ok, this is the best I can come up with. We all know there is a lot of application but the trouble is we don’t know how they are all link together. My theory is below- It’s pretty safe to assume that the roller coaster has nothing to do with the camp sites. So I put the camp site to one side. The lakeside area or the Entertainment area may both be connected to the roller coaster or have no connection at all. The Roller Coaster is going ahead first. The lakeside and entertainment area are going ahead but not for a while. The Roller Coaster is going to be part of one of the new areas, if not both but the new areas will not be built till a later date. Because the Coaster is within one of the new areas then the work needs to start as it may not be able to be completed once a roller coaster is in the way. That is the reason for the stage approvals. Theory only until I’m proven wrong again.

Technically I did but I did wake up to a car doing skids out the front of my property just afterwards...

You are right AlexB but I don't come here to talk about NYE. This make the relevance of NYE in association to parks reduced by a great margin. Everything thing relating to parks is always relevant because we talk about the past, current and future of parks but not about NYE 3 years ago. Who is the gatekeeper who decided when the relevance of NYE is over? I believe this can be left to the key master of every person’s soul. As the key master to my soul, I say it’s over but it’s ok if you want your soul to continue the experience but I didn’t do anything this year and think I was in bed by 10.

Digging a hole is a start but you don't have a however long the build takes. Every job has a completion by date. The dates I gave are the completion dates given to MW from the G.C.C.C. Attached is an example of a completion date given by G.C.C.C. You can extend a completion date and it cost money to do so. G.C.C.C. typical extension are around 6 months, not 2 years. That's why we see some early works approvals. If you had forever to do a build than what would be the point of an early works approval? The ENT PRECINCT, LAKESIDE PRECINCT and HOTEL are all stage approvals. This tells me that this part of the approval will be extended over time because say the LAKESIDE PRECINCT could be 6 stages which would gives MW 12 years to complete. The ROLLER COASTER is not a stage approval which gives them 2 years from last year.

15 days from original post is rigor mortis stage when it comes to New Year’s. I’m already looking forward to my next holidays.

I long time for what? Skeet time’s lines go something like this. When you get a building approval you have 1 year to start the work before the building approval lapses. When you get an OPW approval you have 2 years to get a building approval before the OPW approval lapses. An OPW + a building approval gives you 3 years. With a building approval you get 2 years to finish the build before the BA lapses. You can get extensions to approvals before they lapses but this does cost money. When MW first lodged the application for the roller coaster they would have been looking at a start time being this year. You don’t get a building approval for 4 years down the track. You could get an OPW for 3 years down the track and this does happen all the time but not for a BA. Another point which you already know. How long does it take to build a coaster? I’m not talking about the install but how long does it take for the manufacture take to build a ride before it’s shipped to the park. I know things can change quickly, just look at WWW stage 3 but that never went as far as a BA. When you lodge drawings for a MCU they are pretty much in most cases just an outline of the proposal. For example, I want to build a camping area. You would just show the roads, the size of the approval, location of the camp sites and so on. You might show an area for a toilet block but at that stage you wouldn’t normally produce the full working drawing for the toilet. You might also show some pretty pictures for the council workers who can’t read plans. (jokes). Which gets me back to the roller coaster. To get a BA approval you require full working drawings. So back when the approval was completed the full design of the roller coaster was completed by my experience. The part I don’t know is did the ride manufacture start the construction of the roller coaster before the BA was approved or after? Either way given MW has till November to start the installation of the roller coaster. This would give MW a very small window of when they could cancel the order before the manufacture would have to start. As I said I don’t know how long it takes to manufacture a roller coaster and I don’t even know how big or what type of coaster it is, this all comes into play. This is my break down of times of when work will start and completed by. ROLLER COASTER – Start before 16/11/2016 Complete by 16/11/2017 CAMPING – Start before 2019 Complete by 2020 LAKESIDE PRECINCT – Start before 26/11/2016 Complete by 26/11/2017 (Note approval only for early works) AMENITIES BUILDING – Start before 27/11/2016 Completed by 27/11/2017 ENT PRECINCT – Start before 26/11/2016 Complete by 26/11/2017 (Note approval only for early works) HOTEL – Start before 26/11/2016 Completed by 26/11/2017 (Note approval only for early works) DEMOLITION – this is a bit different but has a completed by 13/01/2018 Things do happen between now and then but these dates are what MW first had in mind. Also we don’t know what is linked to what, so one could affect the other.

The technical name for a copy of plans now is called a whiteprint. A blueprint is a negative of the original plan. I've never been asked for a whiteprint. People just ask for a copy.

I don't think I would call it a trantrum. I would call it poking the beast. For the record I never thought you would give me the sweetness of information.

@AlexBI know that but djrappa has already thrown someone under the bus by telling us that someone else has told him. “I know and wish I could say but this one is a very tight lipped secret and my source is very official but has to be protected. I was shocked and blown away myself and I know you all will be too. Exciting times.” So now MW knows that someone told someone about something. I don’t think MW say it’s ok to tell one person but not another. Even if say dirappa was working on the project like if MW came to me for plans MW would not want me to say anything at all, not even what he has said already. He confirmed that a major project was going ahead and before that it was speculation. djrappa has already decided the amount of information he has provided is ok so that’s why I asked if he knows what area it’s being built in. If he told us the area that would not reveal his source and will still wouldn’t know what was being built.

Push can you outline the area on a google map that you are talking about. I'm a bit slow and I haven't seen the car park approval you are talking about. @djrappaIt’s about time you gave up your honey. Sharing is caring. There is no reason why you can’t give us a bit of information. Like hot & cold or in that area. I don’t think parkz have any contract with MW that we can’t divulge information.

^Yes the project could be unrelated but it does say "demolition works for NEW ATTRACTION" and it is not the norm to lodge an application like this to pull down the garden shed. I wish the G.C.C.C. could get the applications into order. We have 3 different OPW applications but as per normal G.C.C.C. can’t put something into the correct file. This makes it very hard to be a detective. I might have to go deeper undercover.

I'm with you AlexB, to scrap that building would be a waste. To build just the shell of that building you are looking at 1.2 million. If this is the area of the new ride then I hope they included it into the plans and did not just wipe it out. The good thing is when SW had a DEMOLITION approval they just gutted the building which makes me think MW would do the same.

Latest piece of the puzzle. Application Number: BLD201600155 Description: DEMOLITION WORKS FOR NEW ATTRACTION Code: BUILDING Class: DEMOLITION Work: DEMOLISH In short, something is about to come down so something can go up. Keep your eyes open Parkz investigators. Side note, double post is due to no one thinking what I said above was funny.

Great idea. Can I add something? Can we turn the giant drop into a lift and run the zipline from the top and over the tigers and ending up in the wiggles pool?

^make sure the queue is in the sun, so push and work on his tan at the same time.

The fear that I have with MW is that new ride will pull in more people into the park then it can service. MW need to create something that is a crowd pleaser but not a crowed puller. (I still want a crowed pleaser but they need to sort this shit) Even though I know people have already mentioned that DW have the space, so it seems like less crowed and even thou this is true DW always seems to add something extra for the busy period. I can remember things like the diving show, the Mummy maze and one year I believe they even had extra rides. Could they not leave one of the Fright Night mazes setup but keep it closed and just reopen it for the busy periods? The maze in the old maverick show area would make sense to me. Most people that go to Fright Night would be locals so a tourist would think. “Oh well! this is new”

Ha Ha, I always thought one Alex was good as the next Alex. Well not really. I agree dreaming has no place here, except for the 1.5 billion Powerball lotto draw tonight. @OceanGirl I agree that space is a problem and it does not help when china town is blocked off.

@Alex Berriman not a bad idea but to work out what they are running at, you would need to count how many boats are running on WWF or even better how many riders per cycle.

So with what people saying with the rides not running at 100% leaves me to think that it comes from the top to run the rides at 50% to save money. The only thing that makes me think why operations are that slow is to save money. Someone who has worked on the rides might be able to answer this but do the ride attendants have targets to work to? I don't know if the parks have this but I remember when my wife worked for Woolworths many many years ago she had a scan per minute target to reach. So if they do have a person per hour target to achieve then who is setting the target so low and why?

It was good the wnw stayed open to 7 each night.