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Skeeta this isnt about anyone who loses a debate. I understand that what you first posted was meant to be a joke and in all honesty I get that. However, Push obviously was a little offended by it and then responded. However, it was when AlexB posted AFTER that, with the very post that WAS removed ( ostensibly by the mods ) was when , for me , the line was crossed. You have to ask yourself- why was that particular post removed when the others remained? All you can draw from it was that it was offensive and went against the Community guidelines. Now this is not just about Push but lets use him as an example. Is this the FIRST instance of where posts have been pointed and directed at him in a demeaning way? Have there been comments made within posts that have been said in a derogatory tone in reference to him? The answer is obviously no as we have all seen posts as I have described that I would say falls under these banners. I am happy to have a joke- don't get me wrong. I have been on these boards for longer than most and I have seen a lot of instances and posts where the community guidelines are nowhere near followed . I come here for my enjoyment and for fun, to indulge in a love of mine- one that we all share. I agree if we all lightened up about certain things the board would be far more friendlier but this goes for proponents of both sides of this debate. Tone and context is everything. You are absolutely right here Joz and they both certainly can. But at best it's a bandaid solution as you have correctly intimated later. It doesnt remove the problem. Bullying behaviour is all about having and showing power over another individual (especially in this case, a public forum) and if the subject of that bullying blocks someone , the antagonist simply moves their behaviour onto someone else. It does not change. Not a problem. Seeing that I had just read said post is the reason for it now being given. I disagree with your premise , hence the fountain. That's why the capability is there is it not? Respectfully I disagree. I dont think that this word has been thrown around willy nilly either- this is in response to instances that have happened over a great deal of time. Not just one instance. Many. Let me be clear this is NOT about someone who has JUST had a disagreement. This is about the sustained and numerous instances where someone has been villified not just for posting an opinion, but in some cases, for posting at all, and all the derision that numerous cohorts can muster with that. Also its irrelevant that you think its not bullying. If the person in question feels offended or that there is an issue, then that is the overriding context. You cant speak on behalf of how someone feels because you are not them and you are not in there situation. To post the view that no one else know's what bullying is ( except you apparently) is nothing short of sheer arrogance. The only thing diluted here is your perception of what bullying actually is, in my opinion. I have no issue with good natured ribbing or banter. Its when malicious intent and underlying tone changes banter into something else that i have issue with. Just because someone doesnt know you personally doesnt mean what you say about about them on social media or forums cannot hurt or damage them in some way. YOU may be ok and I may be ok and able to handle situations like this but guess what? We are all different and we all react differently. I agree here Skeeta. Bullying is not the same as when there is a conflict or fighting between 2 parties. I hate to go to a dictionary meaning of bullying , but it comes in many, many forms. To be a bully: Furthermore, acts of bullying can be if: Now there have been actions and posts towards other posters that can definitely fall under one or all of these banners. I have seen it and there are other posters that have recognised this , independently and on their own. We have already seen evidence that there are people who are intimidated from posting on these boards at times, because of these actions. That seems to have been ignored amidst the rest of the debate. I am not sure what you are getting at here- HOW are we harming people who really get bullied? By having the courage to call out behaviour that can sometimes appear on these boards? By pointing out through civil discussion and debate that bullying practices and techniques do and have existed on the Parkz forums? Then I guess we are all guilty as charged. It was never going to be a popular view with certain people, cliques and circles on this board. I must say, I am a little flabbergasted at the lack of affinity that can be shown on these boards at times. This is one of them. I am not advocating for either side here, nor do I think of myself as a crusader ( as you have stylised me and others) I am, however, just standing up for what I think is right, to try and enact some positive change. Please do not misunderstand me here- I understand completely that there will be arguments and people on these boards will have disagreements and differences of opinions from time to time.That's normal. As has been shown, this could be one of those times The behaviour I have described as happening, however, is completely different. If by posting this view, one person takes this on board and posts with a little more empathy , then in my mind, that will be a positive thing. I guess we will also see , after airing this view, how I will be treated now on these boards moving forward. What I do not want to see is bullying or bullying behaviour be trivialised or water downed upon detecting or identifying. My final point is that I am not the only one that has felt the growing undercurrent of tension that can inhabit certain posts that are directed at certain posters. There are several who have arrived more or less to the same viewpoint , independently ,as they have viewed certain interactions on these boards. This is not just a one person view. Its something that IS happening and has been exposed by several other people. We have certainly heard from some in this debate. How many more remain silent? I say again to all what I posted before; Don't be a prick and the board will sort itself out. Accountability for these type of posts must be taken by ALL involved.

Great points and very well articulated @CaptainLazerGuns. Good point @Naazon. We know better than most, how far and fast Dreamworld has fallen. Thats not to say that we want to see it close or shut its doors- for mine its the exact opposite. If we tend to focus on the negatives, for mine, its because there are so few positives in Dreamworld's current situation to balance these out. We ALL want a strong and viable Dreamworld, but most of us recognise that this is currently far from the case. We are all hoping that at some stage someone sorts out the predicament that Dreamworld is in and restores it back to its pre-eminence in the Australian theme park industry.

That's insulting @Skeeta You mean like inferring that someone isn't intelligent? There's an awful lot of black kettles here folks. To put things into perspective with this comment though, this was not the escalation post, this was Push's response to a previous post which he found insulting and returned salvo on. There is always a starting point and you cannot just pick bits from the middle and infer that this was the nexus point where things went south. In this case it wasn't. Lets not muddy the waters here. I am not saying this to take sides for either views, I am just weary of these sort of posts that inhabit these boards at times. They are neither needed or required. I get that there are egos and arrogance involved and your "standing" or "pecking order" on the board is displayed- however- I say this to everyone- just don't be a prick and the board will sort itself out. Accountability for these type of posts must be taken by ALL involved. Finally this: When this sort of message gets posted in the wake of this last series of posts , you then can see the size of the issue that can affect the boards. The fact that a long time reader that has not posted for , in his own words, "a while", can recognise some of the posts here and call it for what it is, despite denials or deflections from others, should ring alarm bells for all involved on the forums. This absolutely supports the view that @iwerks brought up a while ago Now I am sure that this view or opinion that I have aired will cause some outrage for a select few. Thats ok- sometimes civil discussion can cause that. What I do hope is that this does not evolve into a "running joke" with needling comments that pop up in other posts from time to time. ( As they have in the past) I think its a serious issue and one that should be taken on its merits and I feel that a growing number of contributors and posters on this board are fully recognising this. At the end of the day, we all love theme parks and the amusement industry. This is a fantastic forum and platform in which we can indulge and interact with other like minded individuals. I guess on the back of this. we all need to think a little harder ( including me) on how and what we post. This has certainly been an enlightening experience for me and I hope that it does get noticed. I would hate to think how many other potential posters or future members of the forum are holding back or intimidated from sharing because of these actions. Hopefully , we can encourage more and more people to join and let OUR community grow with out fear of the shackles that have held them back previously. Cheers guys.

Yeah 100% correct here @Baconjack. Although nothing has been confirmed, there is very strong evidence to suggest that LPS will be adding a Maurer Spinning Coaster at some point in the future. The consultation with Pitt and Sherry , which is confirmed on their website is as solid as it gets. Also, the previous Senior park Manager, Brad Loxely , hinted strongly to me that another coaster will be coming to LPS. This is great news and a coaster such as a spinning Maurer would be an excellent addition for the park and also an Australian first. Lets hope that now the legal issues of DA's and adding rides has been resolved , that these plans are now firmly back on track. Could the park build another large coaster? Given the new laws that have been documented in regards to adding rides, I think that they certainly could. However , the park has several points to consider in regards to height and also placement within the park, before they could do so. I think that any large coaster would be subject to a DA , as in this case , it would more than likely exceed the limitations that have been placed on this process. A better question would be"Does LPS have the will to build a new large coaster?" On this point i would most certainly say no. Given the issues that could arise from such a install and as has already been pointed out , they want to remain on good terms with their neighbors. A new 100 foot plus coaster would not be welcome, unfortunately. LPS does need another coaster and I feel that this WILL occur with the ride reinvestment program that is now currently being undertaken. One point to note is that Luna Park still hold the trademark to the name Big Dipper, so it could still be utilised on any new coaster. Given the awesome Immelmann curve that is the feature of a Maurer spinner, its easy to see how the name "Big Dipper could be used for a coaster of this type. I personally would prefer to use the name Wildcat for it, but Big Dipper works just as well. I would love to see any new coaster use the Tumblebug space- this may require some elements being built over the back end of the slab but it would mean that the Big Dipper facade would be put to far better use and for a coaster, as it was originally intended.

It was more directed at a post which has since been deleted /removed which obviously crossed a line. Whilst it’s intentions were an attempt at poor humour, there was certainly a nasty undercurrent contained within it that asked for another poster in no uncertain terms to remove themselves from the board,. It was directed and pointed. What does it matter if a select audience found the post amusing? The subject matter of the post deemed it offensive, I and obviously many others saw it for what it was as well and was uncomfortable with it. For mine, it’s only a joke when it’s good natured and all parties, including who it was directed at, deem it so. The minute that it becomes a joke for a select few at the expense of someone else that is constant you start to venture into the realms of bullying. Let’s call it for what it is. Constant needling. Sure sometimes things need to be called out and shot down. We all know that. This time , for mine, wasn’t one of them. I usually let them slide by and scroll on by but in this instance , I thought that a comment on the so called “comedic” post was required.. I love and participate in jokes on the board all the time,- it has nothing to do with not enjoying a joke. However, I have been on these boards for a very long time and have observed the interactions of many posters over the years. Some definitely cross the line and some are definitely allowed to stand because of who the poster is, which is at times , a position of inequality. The fact that the post in question has since been removed speaks volumes.

Sorry I think most of the members of this forum are better than that. Not really necessary in my opinion. Not judging , just like many, giving my opinion. I do not usually embroil myself in these sort of posts.

Yeah 100% agree here guys. I am pretty certain from what I have been told that the Maloney's Corner will receive a much needed facelift with the ongoing $25 million new ride investment. If they can reproduce something on the level of their recent refurb of the Helter Skelter cafe then it bodes very well for what is to come. Thats excellent @19Michael96. Its these small attention to details that make such a difference- lets hope that they continue this with actually finishing the decorative roof on the left hand side of the Helter Skelter cafe as you pointed out a couple of pages ago. LPS are also ramping up their Easter offerings with a special school holiday Funfest. As well as the new addition of Volare , there are also 2 temporary rides in Body Rock and Auto Racer. This is great value for anyone who is anticipating visiting the park over the Easter school holidays- it should see the park be quite busy!!!

😂 Exactly. It was a poor attempt at humour in the first place. It shouldn’t really rate a mention but there you go.

Well you DID refer to it in this topic for humour!! Just adding to and keeping your humour alive!! 👍 And we only mention a tantrum when there is one.😝 A sook is a bit different as we have both established. 👍

Ha!! That’s a very good question to ask AlexB.......😝

Only if you have a sooky outburst............

Yep having a sook is probably a perfect term for it. Ha!! Noted!! Consider it applied and fee paid. This is indeed the question of the hour. Perhaps some form of arrogance from PCL coming through? However, it possibly could have been handled a little more delicately by those at the park for what possibly could have been a more conducive outcome for all. Indeed!!!

Absolutely agree with that. Its strange that they thought they could get away with it really, considering that its not ParkChat Live's first rodeo so to speak in regards to filming in parks. We all know that any filming in any park would require some sort of permission. Puzzling, to say the least. Oh indeed. I can live with a hissy fit. As i have stated before, the video , certainly had elements of frustration ( at their own stupidity perhaps?) and definitely came across a bit huffy. However, it never reached the heights of a full blown tantrum that it had been accused of. All in all, I think we can all safely agree that this is NOT the way to successfully conduct a live theme park filming......... AND just to put this to bed and end these somantics ,YES they are 2 definitions meaning exactly the same thing. The point is the word violent was used and accepted in the definition of a tantrum. It is a very valid point, for the purposes of this discussion. Not really relevant for mine. I was commenting on the video THAT was posted. It still served the purpose of communicating to their viewers that the Gumbaya plan had gone to shit. I know. I was alerted by the same video. That's how I was alerted. lol. Presumably since you follow them, you were too.

I think that could work well. Very similar concept to Aussie World's Rock n Roll Rebel ( think enclosed Tango Train with said strobe effects) Yeah I would like to see Tumblebug at least be retained but I guess the future is uncertain for them all. Time will tell.

Bingo. Clinging?? That IS the very definition of a tantrum, though.......sorry you seemed to miss that point. And you had better read the definition I posted a little more closely- here let me help you , putting in bold the operative words you are looking for " “a violent demonstration of rage or frustration; a sudden burst of ill temper.” Yep. Straight AFTER. Hence the need to inform their viewers about the cancelled trip report from Gumbaya World that WAS to be their LIVE event, communicating to their viewers who were waiting for the stream. Oh their communication was genuine alright. Did it contain saltiness, disappointment and frustration? Absolutely. But for the last bloody time, a temper tantrum it wasnt .

Great pics mate- nice job!!! Yep the Volare is certainly looking to be a big hit for the park- the public are really loving it!! Great to see that the theming around the ride has been restored ( love that giant electrical plug -thanks for the pics on that @19Michael96!!) Looking forward to getting a ride on it as soon as I can. Yeah a little bit of love for them would be nice but I think like the Moon Ranger, their days at LPS are numbered. You can bet that in order to continue the $20 million ride reinvestment, these older rides are going to have to make way for the newer attractions as they come online. It would be nice to see them stay in Australia though- perhaps one of the Victorian theme parks like Funfields or Adventure Park or even Aussie World could be a potential home for these rare rides.

Will not get an argument from me there. 100% agree. Yeah......nah. At the risk of going on ad nauseum, please see my other posts on this. IF you think this is a violent sudden burst of ill temper, then I don't think you have ever been exposed to one............. Please tell me how else they were expected to communicate to their audience that their plans had turned to shit- for what ever the reason? Seems reasonable to do a video for everyone to explain, no ,matter what frustration or saltiness seeped into it..........

It really was. A small attempt at humour. 👍 Thought I would join the rest of the smart arsery on this board Didn’t mean to offend.😊

Oh agree. No argument from me!!

It was a throwaway comment mate. Not sure what everyone’s definition of a tantrum is but dictionary.com gives it as thus: “a violent demonstration of rage or frustration; a sudden burst of ill temper.” This video, whilst certainly exhibiting elements of frustration, saltiness and disappointment was merely a platform for informing their viewers of their planned trip review having gone awry. Now we can all comment on their reasons for being rejected and their reactions to this but let’s call this video for what it is. A video, explaining the reasons of why a planned trip review didn’t happen with a very restrained commentary of what happened in my opinion, doesn’t constitute a full blown tantrum in the very definition and meaning of the word. A tantrum it simply isn’t. And as I have stated before, I bear no great love for Parkchat live or even the presenter Ash.

I guess they can join the hallowed ranks of theme park journalists like Rob Alvey in getting kicked out of a park for filiming eh DJ......... Like I said earlier, I guess they had to inform their viewers somehow that the heavily promoted Gumbuya review would not go ahead. There was certainly saltiness in the video but I reckon it was fairly restrained.

I am not Park Chat Lives biggest fan don’t get me wrong. However, it’s my opinion that they can feel a little aggrieved at how they were treated- it certainly was not the friendliest reception. Given they have done numerous similar videos from other parks, it is disappointing to see such s new park like Gumbuya handle this with such a careless and insensitive way. The purpose of the video I guess was meant to inform their viewers that the Gumbuya World review would not be going ahead for the reasons given. It WAS heavily promoted on their site so they had to communicate it somehow. The last line certainly expressed disappointment and frustration but I think it’s a bit of a stretch to call it a full blown tantrum......

Wow. Bit harsh don’t you think?? They contacted the park days before, who never got back to them. Funfields And Adventure Park didn’t have an issue. i would say that it’s rather poor form on the park and complete over zealousness on their part. The video was hardly a tantrum by the way.

Hmm. Will this be linked to the Ponds institute? 😳

Only a slight delay...Volare's opening date has been confirmed as March the 24th.