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  1. Jobe

    The Off Topic Topic

    Yeah well I was referring more to the Melbourne one as that is the one I have experienced and can safely say wasn't shit. But each to their own. As I stated earlier, i think the fact this this experience appears to have been not well advertised or well known , even amidst some of the posters on this board, would have to be a major reason why this appears to have failed. A number of other factors could have contributed- high rent, poor cashflow, parent company had other financial issues. Who knows?
  2. Jobe

    The Off Topic Topic

    Ahh!! What a shame it closed. There are similar venues across Australia - there is one in Docklands at Melbourne of which I had the pleasure of visiting with the family. This is called ArtVo and is thoroughly recommended. They are basically an immersive art gallery where you stand in front of these huge art and wall murals and insert yourself into the frame for amazing 3 D effects. Depending on how you shoot the picture, the effects can be awesome. They are huge amounts of fun and are great for the entire family. I would have thought that an example on the Gold Coast would have been a well attended attraction, but perhaps this comes down to the cosmopolitan crowd that live in Melbourne. It doesnt sound like this one was well advertised though? I was a little wary of the concept at first but i found the experience to be awesome- the whole family loved it. Its definitely not shit
  3. Jobe

    Consentino Live at Dreamworld

    Bit like Park Chat Live? 😂😎
  4. Jobe

    Luna Park Sydney's expansion

    Awesome video mate great job!! Filmed on a GoPro?
  5. Hahaha yeah I remember that guy!!! Obsessed isnt the word!!! It was unhealthy!! Yeah thanks @djrappa, you are absolutely right. I had meant to post originally that the actions of the guy in the video are not exactly legal- if you view the video there are several instances of trespass which cannot be ignored. Please dont take this as any way shape or form that anyone on these boards condones such actions- play it safe people!
  6. Jobe

    Luna Park Sydney's expansion

    Here is a great article on Tony Maloney ,from late last year. He is currently serving as the chief ride mechanic and Maloney's Corner was eponymously named after him. Luna Park mechanic who knows every nut and bolt still on the job JANET FIFE-YEOMANS, The Daily Telegraph November 17, 2018 12:00am Living in Sydney has been a merry-go-round for Tony Maloney. The 71-year-old started working at Luna Park as a wide-eyed 13-year-old and he is still there. He literally knows every nut and bolt of the heritage-listed fun park, having numbered, dismantled, removed, refurbished and then rebuilt every ride twice, in 1993 and 2000. After keeping the park safe for generations, the master mechanic tried to retire a few years ago but couldn’t leave the magic behind. Tony Maloney checks up on a merry-go-round. Picture: Justin Lloyd After a few weeks away from the fun park that has been his life, he was on the phone to the park’s managing director Peter Hearne. “I rang Peter, who said ‘why don’t you come back two or three days a week’,” Mr Maloney said. He has been on every ride in the park countless times but Mr Maloney remains a rollercoaster tragic and looks back with nostalgia on the days of Luna Park’s wooden rollercoaster, its original Big Dipper. “We used to have to walk the whole ride every hour because the rails would move,” he said yesterday. Tony Maloney is the longest-serving employee at the park. Picture: Justin Lloyd There was a narrow boardwalk the mechanics used while the trains were going — and for the record there were three carriages carrying up to 72 people at a time. Mr Maloney has since ridden some of the world’s biggest rollercoasters but nothing can scare him. “I love coasters, it’s the adrenaline rush,” he said. The 83-year-old park has had its own rollercoaster of a history. It closed after the fatal Ghost Train fire in 1979, opening again in 1982 only to close again and reopen in 2004. Mr Maloney wasn’t at work the night that a father, his two sons and six school students died when fire destroyed the wooden Ghost Train building, but he still felt the impact of the tragedy. Firemen battle the blaze at the Ghost Train ride on a tragic night in 1979. Luna Park’s Ghost Train building as it appeared in the 1940s. Inquests have since failed to determine a cause, ruling out an electrical fault and reports of arson and finding that, on that night, there was no attendant patrolling inside the building “in case of fire” as had been the practice. Mr Maloney grew up in Milsons Point, not far from Luna Park, and his grandfather drove the steam trains that dropped off passengers to catch ferries before the bridge was built. He remembers when huge queues waited to get into the park and the first 500 kids into the park got a bag of lollies and free tickets to four rides. “We used to go swimming in the morning and then to the park to spend Saturday afternoon and it was fantastic,” he said. The dance hall and bandstand from the 1940s at Sydney’s famous attraction. Sliding thrills at Luna Park in the 1950s. Luna Park Udrive and Coney Island kept them queueing in the 1960s. He was almost a “Luna Park baby”, following his parents Joan and Alan Maloney working on sideshows such as Hoopla and the Laughing Clowns from the age of 13. He started full-time as a fitter in 1961. Mr Maloney met his wife, Wendy, when she worked as secretary to Ted Hopkins, the showman who transported the original Luna Park rides from a failed amusement park in Glenelg in South Australia to the former bridge work yards. The couple’s three children worked at the park and there is even one site, Maloney’s Corner, named after Tony. The original face was painted by artist Rupert Brown around 1935. The park’s fifth face, designed by artist Arthur Barton, circa 1950. The face of Luna Park catches a ride during a 2001 re-fit. Children ride the Wild Mouse after the 2004 re-opening. NSW / Amusement Centre Lefties make about as much sense as a goose’s Mr Maloney knows all the tricks and secrets that make the rides a thrill but his “baby” is the Wild Mouse rollercoaster, which arrived the year before he did. For years he took it to pieces and rebuilt it at the Easter Show, when the show was held at Moore Park to the background of singing by three brothers better known as the Bee Gees. Mr Maloney has overseen all types of dismantling, such as this one in 2003. Picture: Scott Hornby Jordan Stenmark and Dancing With The Stars partner Jessica Prince went on Luna Park rides for Jordan to overcome dizziness. Katy Perry tries a Luna Park dodgem. Night-time magic at the timeless fun park. Mr Maloney loves hearing customers come back and reminisce. Picture: Justin Lloyd He even took the Wild Mouse up to Brisbane and on a train over the Nullarbor to Perth. Mr Maloney is unashamed about his love of the whimsical amusement park and even its old daggy rides such as the River Caves and Noah’s Ark. “I love seeing people coming back. They go on the slippery dips and swear the slides were much higher and longer when they were kids,” he said. Now required to get development approval for new rides, the park is lining up some Christmas specials including the Power Surge and the Wave Swinger, which have a perfect spot in Maloney’s Corner." What a great article on such a living treasure as Tony. His memories and experiences for the park are priceless and I am sure he could tell some great stories!! Characters like these are now found few and far between- its great to see LPS still utilise his experience and expertise in operations. What a great poster child for the older generation still working and contributing significantly to society. Here is another very interesting article that shows the worth of the amusement park to the local economy. Dating from late last year, it was published in the height of the DA application standoff with the state government that has since been resolved in the parks favour. Luna Park worth $683m to economy over five years NEW data has revealed the massive worth of Luna Park to Sydney’s economy as the iconic harbourside attraction faces as uncertain future. Independent research estimates Luna Park will contribute $120.6 million to the Harbour City’s economy this year and $683.4 million over the next five years. Sydney Business Chamber executive director Patricia Forsythe said the embattled park was more than just a place for fun rides and fairy floss. Sydney Business Chamber’s executive director Patricia Forsythe. “It also employs about 1000 people a year in a wide range of positions including in the amusement park, catering staff functions and events roles,” Ms Forsythe said. “It actually plays a big role around business events. From a business point of view, we’d be lost without the sort of space it has to host the large corporate events for thousands of delegates.” The latest data on the park’s economic impact follows a recent Land and Environment Court ruling which threatens the long-term viability of the attraction. Luna Park, a harbourside institution since 1935 which attracts a million thrillseekers each year, will now have to seek lengthy planning approvals for every new and moved ride and attraction as local residents gain a greater say in the process. Luna Park is a big money spinner for Sydney’s economy. Ms Forsythe this week reinforced the concerns of the park’s operators where it could get caught up in red tape. “Luna Park plays a really important role in the overall Sydney visitor economy,” he said. “It has been there, dare I say it, longer than almost any local resident. Too many people take it for granted. “It already conforms to standards that have been developed with the neighbourhood in mind (since it reopened in 2004). This was a way to respond to residents’ concerns. “The park is too important, and the NSW government has got to resolve this issue as soon as possible.”
  7. Jobe

    Luna Park Sydney's expansion

    Yeah I dont think that would be the major cause of concern , to be honest. The steel Big Dipper only ever had noise complaints leveled against it , not obstruction issues. A new coaster would have to be extremely high to attract that sort of complaint and I think the management of LPS are smart enough to not do that. The previous Big Dipper was 131 feet high and I could be wrong, but I dont think we will see another coaster be installed at this height or exceed it. Also LPS now has a working height limit envelope to work to - if attractions do not exceed this height limit then they do not attract a complying DA process to go through. Theoretically , they still could build a ride with the height of the previous Big Dipper but i think that the will of LPS to do so is not overly strong.
  8. Hi guys- happy Sunday!! Just perusing Youtube and saw this excellent video on Scenic World and of particular interest to me, the never opened Orphan Rocker. The poster does a good job of giving a great over view of the entire ride as it currently stands and does a bit of urban exploration around the site. In this we see: The resting place of the previous Scenic Railway ( replaced by the current one in early 2013) The resting place of the 2nd Scenic Skyway ( replaced in 2017) He walks quite a good part of the existing Orphan Rocker track and we also get to see the trains up close, which is very interesting. He also explores a disused path ( in thongs!!!!!!!😲- make that of what you will ) to the nearby Orphan Rock feature to which access has been closed to since the '50's He also gets some great footage of the Scenic Railway as it journeys down near the Orphan Rock formation. We all know that the Orphan Rocker has never opened and this video really puts the final nail in the coffin to the question COULD it ever open. Sadly, with subsequent additions to the Scenic Railway and the Skyway, the loading station for the ride has since been removed as has also several pieces of track along the course. This ride will forever go down in Australian amusement park history and indeed the world as one of the biggest "what if's" that never reached fruition. Scenic World appear quite content to leave whats remaining of Orphan Rocker to slowly decay and fall apart , which is of course a massive shame. I do remember seeing an interview article with Anthea Hammon , the current Managing Director of Scenic World ( and daughter of Scenic World founder , Phillip Hammon) where she explains that the the Orphan Rocker "just doesnt fit in with the current direction of Scenic World" . Any hopes for any revival of this ride in its current form or even a new refurbished form are virtually nil. Here is the second video posted by Gareth that focuses on Scenic World and its other attractions- its also good viewing. Here is also the link to the most current article on the Orphan Rocker from the Daily Telegraph in January 2019. ( Beware, you may be hit by a paywall here ) In case you cannot see it, I have posted it below for all. The article does have some quite excellent rare pics of the ride in operation and with passengers on board. Scenic World MD Anthea Hammon reveals what happened to the Orphan Rocker roller coaster Nicole Hogan, The Daily Telegraph January 23, 2019 10:21am IT has been the centre of conspiracy theories, rumour and curiosity for over 30 years. The Orphan Rocker at Scenic World in the Blue Mountains was dubbed ‘the world’s scariest rollercoaster’ by enthusiasts and ‘dangerous’ by online theme park forums. It started in the 1980s as a passion project for Scenic World owner Harry Hammon and his son Phil. In 1985, Harry told the media, “It’s a frightening ride ... it really will be bit of a horror”. The Orphan Rocker at Scenic World in the Blue Mountains The 840-metre steel coaster was anticipated to be the first of its kind — an Australian-made and manufactured thrill ride — with carriages like coal mine carts, darting through the forest, plunging down tunnels and towering 200-metres above the rainforest floor. Over time, theories would surface grasping to explain delays in the ride opening. Some would say the coaster was unsafe, claiming sand-filled test dummies were hurled from carriages zipping around cliffhanging bends. Others reported locals didn’t want the noise associated with a thrill ride; others would hypothesise the ride was built incorrectly, by unqualified engineers, and some speculated it was the local council who wouldn’t approve it. The Rocker was the brainchild of Phil Hammon “We don’t generally comment on the Orphan Rocker,” says Anthea Hammon, the third generation family member to manage the major tourist attraction. “To be honest, it is what it is. I am happy to grow and evolve Scenic World and the Rocker didn’t fit with what we were doing. So, I wasn’t particularly heartbroken by it.” Which is surprising as Ms Hammon admits she was so enthralled by roller coasters as a youngster, she wrote to American theme parks to ascertain how to build them. The 840-metre steel coaster was anticipated to be the first of its kind “I just loved roller coasters,” says Ms Hammon. “I went to all the ones in Queensland and there was one at Wonderland in the 1980s. I first went on one when I was about eight, we went to Expo 88, and that’s what really started it for me. “I went on the really cool suspended coaster they had, I can still vividly remember it because it made such an imprint on me. “During high school I wrote to a few roller coaster companies in America and asked ‘What sort of engineers do you employ? Because that’s what I want to be’ and that is what drove me to study mechanical engineering.” The Orphan Rocker had rocking carriages like coal mine carts Ms Hammon adds that the demise of the Orphan Rocker and the incessant conspiracies clouding it are tedious. “Honestly, it is a pretty boring reason why it didn’t open, and that is, we had so many visitors that my father needed to dedicate his time to building the cableway and creating different attractions for the site. “I think when there is a really boring story people fill the void with something that is more interesting. Darting through the forest “We were pushing a million visitors a year off the back of a wave of Japanese visitors in the early 90s and Dad knew the sort of attraction they wanted, which was another cable car and to get better access into the back of the valley. “He spent six years, more than six years developing that, so by the time he planned it, got that through council, got it built and opened it in 2000, he had to dedicate all his time to that. “When you are in business, you need to build a business strategy that is going to support the market that you are delivering your product to,” says Ms Hammon. Plunging down tunnels While not heartbroken the Rocker never officially opened, Ms Hammon says her obsession with roller-coasters has transformed into something else. “Yes I have a fascination with roller coasters, but equally now I have a fascination with cable cars. I want to go to Switzerland one day to work on cable cars over there,” says Ms Hammon. “I think the roller coaster obsession was a teenage thing that I moved past. I love rides now, but it’s not a fascination I have anymore. Towering 200-metres above the rainforest floor “I am really happy to see the way Scenic World has evolved to where it is and building the new train was just an amazing experience and is probably better than any rollercoaster we put in because it is our hero product.” Hammon adds, “Whatever we build at Scenic World needs to fit with our customers and what they are telling us they want, and the demographic of the people we have visiting — which is why we just upgraded the Skyway — putting 30 per cent more capacity in that because that’s what people want to go on. Parts of the abandoned rollercoaster remain in place at the site. Picture: Facebook Engaging visitors is a high priority and Ms Hammon has an intuitive vision of what Scenic World is, and what it isn’t. “We are a funny mix of an attraction — we are not an amusement park, we are not a theme park, but we aren’t just a board walk, we are not rides, but we are a bit history, we kind of fit into quite a few boxes — which gives you that authentic mountain experience,” says Hammon. “We are not trying to be a theme park, it doesn’t fit the environment that you are in — theme parks are normally in a created space, whereas we have a natural environment — this beautiful backdrop to work with makes it much easier to provide that authentic experience — rather than saying ‘here is the environment!’ and ramming that down people’s throats.” Today some parts of the structure are still visible, overgrown with vegetation, discoloured and lying abandoned. ‘I WAS EIGHT WHEN I TOLD STAFF I WOULD RUN THE PLACE’ Growing up in a natural wonderland definitely had its perks for Anthea Hammon, but how does a girl grow up to run one of NSW’s most successful tourist attractions? “My dad used to work six days a week, Sunday through to Friday and I had the great joy of coming to work with him most Sundays, from about the age of five, until I moved away for university. “Initially when I small I would follow him around and do everything he did and that’s where I got my love of engineering from, following him around when he was working on rides or pinball machines or maintaining the boilers. Managing Director of Scenic World Anthea Hammon sits on the remains of the Orphan Rocker. Picture: Adam Taylor “I have four siblings, but none of them really did that as much as I did. That was my time with dad, as well as the seed for my love of all things engineering. “Old staff members have told me when I was eight years old I used to yell from the platforms that I was going to run this place one day,” says Ms Hammon laughing, “But I grew out of that, I think as a little kid you always want to do what your parents do, yet I always wanted to be an engineer. “I decided I wanted to build roller coasters, so most of my high school years were driven by that. I did all those types of subjects to achieve it. I did my thesis on things up here at work and that meant being involved back in the business. Theories surfaced grasping to explain the rides demise “At that time, after a break going to Sydney for university. I thought I want to come back. We were doing a lot of redevelopment at the time, we were rebuilding the Skyway in 2003 — we have just rebuilt it again — so that really got me interested. I thought ‘I don’t want to go and work in a car factory’, I would really love to come and work here and at that point in time dad needed help, so I stepped into the business.” Ms Hammon says the family ties to the business are deeply entrenched. “My grandfather was working in the business until he was about 90 and my great aunt, used to work in the ticket box. “We would go out walking our my mum on weekends, and we’d walk down the Furber Stairs and catch the train back up, but my aunt wouldn’t let us out of the train without a kiss on the cheek — that was the ticket price for the ride. I have really beautiful memories of growing up within the family business. Some said the coaster was unsafe, claiming sand-filled test dummies were hurled from the carriages “My brother worked here as well, as joint managing director for five years. He has an economics and commerce background, so he and I had this excellent complementary set of skills set that when we started running the business together — me with engineering and him with the finance side of it — was brilliant when we were undertaking $30 million dollars of investment in the new scenic railway.” efties make about as much sense as a goose’s fart Ms Hammon explains this was very much a legacy left to her by her Dad, Phil. “When I started, dad was already undertaking the redevelopment of the Skyway — he had rebuilt the main building — I came in and took a load off his hands managing the maintenance team and organising all the maintenance for the new rides. Initially I was more of a project engineer and over time took on more.” Anthea and Phil Hammon The constant cycle of upgrading and reinventing the attractions cemented Ms Hammon’s future in the business. “With the new train in 2013, it just got to the point where like every 20 years we have to refresh the rides because that’s the design life. It was like we have the choice of either buying a new gear box and motor, or building something new, something that’s really going to engage with our customers and be what the next generation of customers expect. “We put in the changeable seats with the cliffhanger and laid-back options and created a bit of interactivity, which is what the customers are really telling us they want. “Was it daunting? Sure, it is always daunting. Rebuilding your main attraction and we had negative feedback from people saying ‘how dare you change the ride, we loved the old train’ and I agree the old train had its glamour, but it had its challenges and unfortunately with things like this you have to move with the times and keep upgrading.” Scenic World attracts millions of visitors a year SUPPORTING THE LOCAL COMMUNITY As a way of formalising the Hammon’s generosity in supporting the Blue Mountains community, the family recently launched a new program, sharing what they do with locals. “Last year we launched the share program — a philanthropic program where we give three per cent of our profits back to the community,” says Ms Hammon. “ We have partnered with the Blue Mountains World Heritage Institute, Schools Plus, the Foundation for Rural and Original Renewal and Western Sydney University, to help education at all levels. Scenic World is home to world’s steepest railway “It’s really about building within our community, better skills, and better school finishing rates so that we can create more skilled people who then contribute back to our community up here. “This all links back to those family values of getting people to work and live in the Mountains and be part of the community." So that appears to be the final word on Orphan Rocker- RIP. It would have been an absolutely AMAZING ride if it had opened and it would have attracted hundreds of coaster enthusiasts from around the world to come and ride. What a shame that it is nothing now but a case of what could have been and consigned to being just a footnote in our amusement park history.
  9. Yeah easily, if not more. But if there is a plan for one , then at least there is some consideration by Ardent to still be in the game with Dreamworld for the mid term at least. If this occurs, then its a massive injection for the future of the park. However, for that to occur , they need to start planning that NOW . Lets hope that the scale of vision that we all hope can fix Dreamworld's woes can also be realised by Dreamworld's current management. As Slick says, cautiously optimistic, but there are a number of hoops to jump and walls to climb before we can breathe a bit easier for the future of the park.
  10. Yeah Slick I agree 100% here. The cash injection ( fingers crossed it actually occurs) is the first sign that Dreamworld actually are starting to develop some sort of plan to restore the park somewhat to its former glory. With the eventual opening of Sky Voyager , which should garner some more positive press for the park and renewed interest from the public, the park looks like it may be edging closer to turning a corner. However , that corner is QUITE large. Lets see how things develop, see what occurs, how the money is spent and what actually is purchased in the form of new rides ( and the obverse of that of course, seeing what effect that other rides removal will have- RE Wipeout). As has been stated before, Dreamworld need to hit hard now with a bang and that bang should be in the form of a new large coaster.
  11. Jobe

    Luna Park Sydney's expansion

    Couple of quick updates- today marks 15 years that Luna Park Sydney reopened in 2004 after having Big Dipper removed and a very doubtful future. 15 years is a great achievement and has gone very quickly. Now we are in 2019 and we have seen the start of a ride reinvestment program that should see the park grow and update to be bigger and better than ever! With the success of Volare, we are all excited to see what the next 5 years brings for LPS. Its great to see a historical amusement park like LPS not only survive but now begin to thrive! From all of us here at Parkz, we all share in the celebration of this achievement and hope for continued success for the park! The next update is a little older in scope but it has not been mentioned before on the boards. Belated congratulations to LPS for winning an award at the Exhibition and Event Association of Australasia for Best New Initiative Large Scale Venue. This award celebrates the hard work and excellence that LPS brings to their functions and venues and it remains a highly sought after venue location. It also highlights the importance that the Big Top, Crystal Palace and Lavender Green outdoor event space is to the overall continuing successful operations at Luna Park Sydney. Its this successful reinvention to a historical amusement park and mixed multi purpose function/venue centre that has been integral to LPS firstly weathering the storm of resident and noise disputes and now thriving over the last 15 years!! Great job!
  12. @Brad123 thanks for your post. It was a balanced and well thought out response. I certainly agree in principle with what you have stated, in an overarching sense. i guess what it does come down to is interpretation. As you say, it’s very easy to misdiagnose intent on a public forum at times. i guess by talking about these key issues and how some people perceive how and why things are posted , we can all be better educated and I suppose better armed at dealing with these instances as they arise. If it helps in clearing up any misunderstandings and preventing these from occurring then this is the positive impact that I mentioned. Also,, just to be clear, in what I was referring to was not meant to highlight JUST Push, Skeeta or Alex, nor paint them in the light as being the only recipients or antagonists of these issues. There were certainly examples involving them but it was not meant to limit nor target these 3 posters as being the root cause. It is also not meant to reduce the numerous positive contributions that all 3 have made on the board either., which in my mind , far out weigh any perceived negatives I realise this is a sensitive topic and only through civil discourse and debate can we clear the waters and find the common ground we all seek. Cheers for that- I think there has definitely been enough said about this topic and I am certain we can all move on to what we come here to do- to indulge in the passion and love that is theme and amusement parks in general. 👍
  13. Skeeta this isnt about anyone who loses a debate. I understand that what you first posted was meant to be a joke and in all honesty I get that. However, Push obviously was a little offended by it and then responded. However, it was when AlexB posted AFTER that, with the very post that WAS removed ( ostensibly by the mods ) was when , for me , the line was crossed. You have to ask yourself- why was that particular post removed when the others remained? All you can draw from it was that it was offensive and went against the Community guidelines. Now this is not just about Push but lets use him as an example. Is this the FIRST instance of where posts have been pointed and directed at him in a demeaning way? Have there been comments made within posts that have been said in a derogatory tone in reference to him? The answer is obviously no as we have all seen posts as I have described that I would say falls under these banners. I am happy to have a joke- don't get me wrong. I have been on these boards for longer than most and I have seen a lot of instances and posts where the community guidelines are nowhere near followed . I come here for my enjoyment and for fun, to indulge in a love of mine- one that we all share. I agree if we all lightened up about certain things the board would be far more friendlier but this goes for proponents of both sides of this debate. Tone and context is everything. You are absolutely right here Joz and they both certainly can. But at best it's a bandaid solution as you have correctly intimated later. It doesnt remove the problem. Bullying behaviour is all about having and showing power over another individual (especially in this case, a public forum) and if the subject of that bullying blocks someone , the antagonist simply moves their behaviour onto someone else. It does not change. Not a problem. Seeing that I had just read said post is the reason for it now being given. I disagree with your premise , hence the fountain. That's why the capability is there is it not? Respectfully I disagree. I dont think that this word has been thrown around willy nilly either- this is in response to instances that have happened over a great deal of time. Not just one instance. Many. Let me be clear this is NOT about someone who has JUST had a disagreement. This is about the sustained and numerous instances where someone has been villified not just for posting an opinion, but in some cases, for posting at all, and all the derision that numerous cohorts can muster with that. Also its irrelevant that you think its not bullying. If the person in question feels offended or that there is an issue, then that is the overriding context. You cant speak on behalf of how someone feels because you are not them and you are not in there situation. To post the view that no one else know's what bullying is ( except you apparently) is nothing short of sheer arrogance. The only thing diluted here is your perception of what bullying actually is, in my opinion. I have no issue with good natured ribbing or banter. Its when malicious intent and underlying tone changes banter into something else that i have issue with. Just because someone doesnt know you personally doesnt mean what you say about about them on social media or forums cannot hurt or damage them in some way. YOU may be ok and I may be ok and able to handle situations like this but guess what? We are all different and we all react differently. I agree here Skeeta. Bullying is not the same as when there is a conflict or fighting between 2 parties. I hate to go to a dictionary meaning of bullying , but it comes in many, many forms. To be a bully: Furthermore, acts of bullying can be if: Now there have been actions and posts towards other posters that can definitely fall under one or all of these banners. I have seen it and there are other posters that have recognised this , independently and on their own. We have already seen evidence that there are people who are intimidated from posting on these boards at times, because of these actions. That seems to have been ignored amidst the rest of the debate. I am not sure what you are getting at here- HOW are we harming people who really get bullied? By having the courage to call out behaviour that can sometimes appear on these boards? By pointing out through civil discussion and debate that bullying practices and techniques do and have existed on the Parkz forums? Then I guess we are all guilty as charged. It was never going to be a popular view with certain people, cliques and circles on this board. I must say, I am a little flabbergasted at the lack of affinity that can be shown on these boards at times. This is one of them. I am not advocating for either side here, nor do I think of myself as a crusader ( as you have stylised me and others) I am, however, just standing up for what I think is right, to try and enact some positive change. Please do not misunderstand me here- I understand completely that there will be arguments and people on these boards will have disagreements and differences of opinions from time to time.That's normal. As has been shown, this could be one of those times The behaviour I have described as happening, however, is completely different. If by posting this view, one person takes this on board and posts with a little more empathy , then in my mind, that will be a positive thing. I guess we will also see , after airing this view, how I will be treated now on these boards moving forward. What I do not want to see is bullying or bullying behaviour be trivialised or water downed upon detecting or identifying. My final point is that I am not the only one that has felt the growing undercurrent of tension that can inhabit certain posts that are directed at certain posters. There are several who have arrived more or less to the same viewpoint , independently ,as they have viewed certain interactions on these boards. This is not just a one person view. Its something that IS happening and has been exposed by several other people. We have certainly heard from some in this debate. How many more remain silent? I say again to all what I posted before; Don't be a prick and the board will sort itself out. Accountability for these type of posts must be taken by ALL involved.
  14. Great points and very well articulated @CaptainLazerGuns. Good point @Naazon. We know better than most, how far and fast Dreamworld has fallen. Thats not to say that we want to see it close or shut its doors- for mine its the exact opposite. If we tend to focus on the negatives, for mine, its because there are so few positives in Dreamworld's current situation to balance these out. We ALL want a strong and viable Dreamworld, but most of us recognise that this is currently far from the case. We are all hoping that at some stage someone sorts out the predicament that Dreamworld is in and restores it back to its pre-eminence in the Australian theme park industry.