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Don't worry, I'm in no way about to defend DW on that accident, and I have my own fairly educated opinions on it also. I would in no way ride that ride if it opened tomorrow in the same state it was in the day prior to that accident either. And if I felt that accident was caused by maintenance standards then I wouldn't ride anything at DW either.

It also seems fine with old mate getting on board in Ohio and then being flung off to his death so...

I have nothing against the industry... IF... things like seats flying off rides stop happening, sadly they don't. Do the point it's almost now just accepted by the general public, no one is boycotting carnivals like they are DW now are they? I appreciate and applaud your passion for the industry @HussRainbow87 however devotion, and admiration don't equal safety and science. The lengths parks go to for ride safety is quite incredible (and hugely expensive), until any evidence of the same thing happening with in the travelling rides circuit is presented, I just can't get on board. I'm sure the manufactures do have recommendations, but are they being enforced? Certainly not in many countries, Australia I am waiting to be shown this is the case. Specifically back to this recent incident. They was clearly a major flaw there, hence the redesign, why in the hell was this thing ever allowed to operate? Maybe someone can answer this general question for me then: How long and how many people does the DAILY inspection for one of these rides take, undertaken each and every day prior to opening? Likewise how long/many for the WEEKLY inspection? We can then compare that to a park flat ride such as say, The Claw, and work out if best practice really is occurring here...

The bearing is not on whether it's safe, but on acceptable risk. If there is an equal risk in doing something because I need to in order to get to my apartment, to something that will give me 2mins of amusement. I'm more likely to accept the risk in using an elevator than riding a roller coaster aren't I? Thats why it's silly when people say "well perhaps we should stop crossing the road then" as an argument. Youll also notice I'm mostly seeking answers in my posts to educate my opinions. But instead of getting "yes manufacturers do insist on XYZ and all operators follow that and it's enforced" I'm more getting "the Jones family do a darn good job of ensuring all the light bulbs work but I can't speak for the Smith family, they can be dodgy at times" kind of responses. Park ride manufactures stipulate strict maintenance regimes which or parks follow. And in some cases parks go beyond those because manufacturer recommendations should be considered the minimum. Do the traveling ride manufactures do the same and do the operators do the same? This I don't know and nobody seems able or willing to answer. Oh and @AlexB one would hope that was sarcasm but in the context of this discussion I felt the need to point out how stupid and wrong that idea/comparison was in explicit detail.

One of your stupidest remarks ever here. 1) Coaster tracks do not have components... two all welds are certified to begin with...three the connections ARE regularly inspected...four the lattice welds of the track are not considered high stress areas. The trains on the other hand do in fact receive this. As for considering parks and traveling rides differently... why? Just because the major maintenance parks go through is too expensive and inconvenient for carnival operators? The ride mechanics and components are pretty well identical so why should one be subject to less scrutiny? Also the analogy to public transport, elevators etc is also a poor one. Those items for one are used for necessity not fun so it's not a matter of just choosing to avoid them. Also these items aren't engineered on the boarder line, they have massive safety factor to reduce the requirement for inspections. People who are carnival fans are lacking perspective in this topic.

Yeah I see a lot of XYZ maintain their rides looking great. TBH until someone comes out and tells me "regulations state that all rides have a compulsory annual tear down to component level and NDT of all critical components" I've no interest in the things. Doesnt sound like thats going to be any time soon? Also legitimate question... Does anyone know of traveling ride operators had the same procedure and maintenance audits the parks did from the government after the DW accident?

I feel if I've learnt anything from this it's in Australia not to trust these rides... and in America not to even go within a mile of them for risk of pieces falling off.

Oh that's not really a good look

Then you're doing badly

Yep my thoughts exactly.

sigh

Umm did you look at the drawings? Its a weld. It goes from plate steel to round tube. You can see the round cut out in the plate. There is every possibility that an undetected (which is easy if you never do testing) fatigue crack propogated from the welded connection up to the point of failure. As for high stress, this join takes the entire load of the seating assembly and transfers it to the main support assembly. I think even a first year apprentice can identify that as a high stress area. I squarly laid blame based on facts for the Dreamworld accident, I just didn't do so publically in the media and I'm not doing so here. Merely commenting on the facts provided. I don't blame the manufacturer, I blame the industry. And yes, I do expect a then to test every critical component and part of the ride and I'm sorry if that means it's out of action for 2 months of the year. Why? Because it's best practice and what all of our theme parks do is to keep you and everyone else safe every day. I think some people would be very surprised to learn in just how many pieces say one of Superman's trains is in right now. To ensure nothing is missed. Someone is dead, I do think "it would take too much time and be too expensive to test properly" is gonna cut it anymore than "nah we decided a sensor to stop the raft conveyor in the event of a backup was too much hassle" would.

My point is (and where the hell im getting this idea is simple good practice!) was the area that failed subjected to regular NDT intervals as standard procedure? If not then why the bloody hell not? It's a high stress critical weld for an amusement device. Every theme park ride your get on in Australia is subjected to such testing.

Yeah I agree with Skeet (holy shit!). It also sounds to exactly describe the style of joint/weld where the ride failed. Also interesting that subsequent designs added strengthening plates in that area but this did not. Also scary is it says the fix should involve magnetic NDT on the joints in question. I would have expected this would be park of regular annual maintenance anyway. If it's not just chalk it up to another reason I don't ride these death trap trailer machines that are assembled by hillbillies no offense of course

No but some highly qualified at the GCB has clearly once again been skimming parkz articles and then ripping off as their own story. As usual many innacuracies cough #journalism

I feel with all the electronics and actuators, coupled with the fact it's not painted to match anything it's definitely a jig of some sort.

Is the orange piece steel or fibreglass? If it's steel and torn like that then looks like a very serious catastrophic metal fatigue issue.

$35 million $15 mllion coaster $20 million dark ride (includes infrastructure and building construction costs) that's a start... followed up with a other $10-12 million family coaster in 2 years. That's what they need to compete IMO

Music is not available publically. Has been discussed at length

Meh those two coasters have sucked since the day they stopped dueling anyway.

Train is no longer in the compound.

Yeah there ain't nothing 'stunning' about a carnival ride

It's pretty god damn ugly though.

Yeah why would they go will Huss? No chance. They'd probably want to do an Intamin tower to make it visually distinguishable from their existing POS

So new drop or shot ride I feel then