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Movie World speculation and dreaming - 2015 edition
Levithian replied to Brad2912's topic in Theme Park Discussion
Easiest way to explain it is it comes deconstructed. Like, all the ingredients to make it are placed on a platter. It's up to you how much or how little you include of each. -
'World Best' Attraction coming to VRTP
Levithian replied to Brad2912's topic in Theme Park Discussion
You can see the dam there. When you drive to paradise country you can see the wall on the left, it has been built up pretty high as the top is way above the road level. looks about the size of the larger studios from that image. That looks like a fairly well maintained trail coming of the car park at paradise country too. Can see the gravel surface sticking out through the trees. -
'World Best' Attraction coming to VRTP
Levithian replied to Brad2912's topic in Theme Park Discussion
They do have a fairly large dam though. It's also formed in the area that verges on to paradise country, as I always thought the notion of a hotel/resort was talked about being placed in this sort of area that borders kopps rd and the housing estate? Wonder if you can see the fire trails from sat images of the area. There is quite a bit of changing terrain in the back, even the fall in height from the access road to the front of the park is pretty significant. You can see right across the top of both the park and studios very easily. Not sure you could really increase the height of the swap area out the front to any significant levels to form a lake as you would end up flooding more of the park before even thinking about large rain events. Ive seen that creek that runs down parallel with the park and kopps road overflowing before too. So there must be quite a large amount of water than can flow through the swap land, down into what basically ends up as the coomera river. A couple of years ago, that whole section was flooded right up to the power sub station opposite movie world. The service road was actually flooded, along with siganto drive on the other side of the highway. -
'World Best' Attraction coming to VRTP
Levithian replied to Brad2912's topic in Theme Park Discussion
I think some of that section of grass land in front of the staff car park that is fenced off is cleared for helicopter landing zone as the car parks aren't always vacant to land. If that is the case, might not be able to build tall structures within a certain distance of the landing area. So might cause problems. -
'World Best' Attraction coming to VRTP
Levithian replied to Brad2912's topic in Theme Park Discussion
Thats the right link for the application. http://pdonline.goldcoast.qld.gov.au/masterview/Modules/applicationmaster/default.aspx?page=wrapper&key=225287 Application to change something in relation to the carpark area. Maybe a change to the shape of the existing carpark and access road with an extension into the land next to green lantern? I know it's a bit of a lake, but it could have large drainage works performed to continue the creek down the side like it currently does, while utilising land for building on. Edit: Reading into the receipt of payment, it looks like its pretty large scale earth works. Remember it's just an application for operational works, not building. The application says the cost of the project exceeds $80,000. Puts it in a pretty large scale as far as earth works go. As far as building goes. You can submit a development application and have approval before any capital works are approved or started. -
Movie World speculation and dreaming - 2015 edition
Levithian replied to Brad2912's topic in Theme Park Discussion
Wings are cheap as anything. if you cant get like 5 or 6 wings and a beer for under $30, it's just ridiculous. Even if you go over to west burgers and get a pulled pork roll and lattice chips, its still under $20 and is a LOT of food. Actually, what would be amazing if you have a charcoal thing going is something tasty and fresh like some fajitas. Id be down for that for lunch instead of the usual choices. The mezzanines must be for the expansion of storage or something they use in the maintenance areas on one side of the building. The other side of the looney toons building is junior driving school. Given the building heights and stuff inside, I can't see how they would be putting anything inside the upper levels of the building. Can see soundstage 9 being built. They cleared all the land between outback spectacular (more specific, the service road for paradise country) and the existing sound stages. Think I seem to remember it was a joint development with the state government for the commonwealth games? So it intends to be a multi use venue, with them putting squash courts or something in there. Afterwards it'll be utilised for film stages but also able to be leased by the government and council as needed? Maybe for things like carols and stuff. -
You can hire out whole sections of the park including rides for functions if you have the cash. The little office next to the foyer entrance to roxy is a lounge I believe they use for tour operators/guides (like, external tour groups coming into the park).
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Maybe next time if you were real late, just avoid the carpark and head straight to the grassed area across the road they use for spillage from the car park. Its a bit more of a walk, but you can see (thanks to the gravel entrance) where they direct traffic through into the grassed area when the carpark is real busy, just position near it and you should be able to avoid massive waits. We found quite a few parks down the far end of the car park when we got there about 5:30. Everybody seems to want to try and park as close as possible to the entrance gates. I mean who wants to go to a theme park and walk anywhere? Reminds me of visiting the ekka as a kid. Back when people used to actually drive into fortitude valley instead of catching the train. Complete madness.
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It's 3 and 4 lanes now on smith street, and 3 lanes through the gold coast highway since the road works for the commonwealth games. It's not a choke point anywhere until you pass over the sundale bridge and left on to waterways drive (which normally doesn't carry a lot of traffic). There is light rail travel right down the highway from either broadbeach (one end) or Arundel at the new hospital (the other end) too. There is a station on the gold coast highway not far from waterways drive. It would be about a 20 minute (maybe 30 minute max) walk from the highway if you took your time. Take you along the gold coast seaway, fishermans wharf, etc to seaworld if you wanted to completely avoid driving through the gold coast highway. Park anywhere along the route of the rail and walk across the road.
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I think i remember it being some sort of government or some science type group/company experiment with travel, like, generating vortexes to transport people in. I think I remember part of the recording, they were actively tracking cyclones or something, used to be kind of setup like a weather station/lab thing inside the building, hence the big turbine and computer equipment. Had monitors all the way up the entry queue you could watch the whole situation unfold. At the end there would be a count down and the turbine (which i think kept turning at the same speed, lol) would ramp up (sound effects) and you would enter out on to the platform to ride.
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I wonder how many operators it took to run it? If you are like many of us, trying to avoid visiting during the peak holiday seasons/crowds, for such a low capacity ride they may simply have closed it and saved on the staff when it was off season.
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Movie World speculation and dreaming - 2015 edition
Levithian replied to Brad2912's topic in Theme Park Discussion
I reckon it's not far from the truth! That thing looked like it was enduring far more than a carousel should. hah. Heard that dirty harry build is indeed an extension, kind of like a bar and grill thing is going to happen. It would be ace to enjoy some charcoal grilled chicken and a beer for lunch, as long as it's not like $30. -
Hahaha. Any excuse will do in order to keep the information private. You tend to get snowballed when its stuff relating to matters of parliament/cabinet. But when it's from other government agencies we are actually paying for out of our taxes, you seem to have a bit better luck getting what is requested. The whole cost thing though is completely absurd as the government already has a publications department where you can request technical documents, standards, codes of practice, etc. They print it out for you and bind it, you pay for it and pick up or they can post it out. Could do the same thing for anything that comes through a government body really.
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There aren't enough exit rows for the carpark that feed on to the actual road out to the sets of traffic lights. What you end up with is a bunch of people wedged into place because you have 8-10 rows trying to spil out into 1 single lane of traffic. Thats maybe a few hundred cars at a time all trying to exit on the same little row. The secret for events at movie world is to use the shape of the car park to your advantage. It's kind of diamond shaped and tapers off dramatically the further you go towards the creek end. Not only is the exit road closer then, but it also means you only have 1 or 2 rows of traffic trying to exit on the same little single lane. Means that even if you get stuck in the rows, you don't have far to travel to make it out on to the road. Once you reach the road you don't have anyone to give way to on the way out, and the lights at either intersection change pretty quickly. We got out of there in under 5 minutes, got to the car about 10:20pm.
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The article quotes someone from fairwork? that said the report would only be made available if an issue of negligence was raised and movieworld was taken to court over it (in which case, the report would be included in documents filed). Also mentioned they didn't think it was the right course and they didn't have anything to answer for. Seems it was pretty close to what I said, unless the government deems there is a case of negligence to answer for and movieworld are taken to task, it looks like we won't actually get a look at the report into the failure. If that doesn't happen, best we could hope to have happen is it's leaked or maybe someone tries to apply for the report under freedom of information act.
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They build test tracks because they have to confirm that designs computer models have simulated perform as expected. Not the other way around is the point I made, the computer simulations have replaced testing as the primary analysis. Especially in the case of a newly manufactured component. Yes, with real world testing you can test it to complete destruction without having to worry about loss of life if the part caused a catastrophic failure, but they are only testing the component to support the data they already have from models. Have you seen them testing before with all the equipment? It's pretty crazy, all sorts of monitoring devices, strain gauges, stress gauges, load cells, accelerometers, inclinometers. It captures so much data you can compare something as simple as running the guide wheels a little loose, or even the difference in newly packed/replaced vs previously run bearings. FYI. Codes of practice aren't legislation, they are guidelines outlining things health and safety compliancing and issues. You can have a ton of codes that aren't even approved by work safe but are adopted by industry, which basically gives them no power to be acted against. It's the ACT's that hold all the power. Australia is one of these countries that are a victim of their own development and prosperity. We don't have the money to ensure that everything that comes into the country is tested to comply with our relevant laws and safety standards. It's the primary reason we suddenly hear about things like crayons containing asbestos when they have been on the shelf and sold for years. Instead, what we tend to do is if the item being imported has been tested (and you supply these documents) by a relevant agency or body in the country of manufacture, we use their testing results and assume everything was done correctly. It's often not until someone has an issue with a product that the ACCC is called in to investigate claims. It has caused quite a bit of issue recently with the auto industry because the chinese crash tests are not at all like the australian ones. The amount of deformation encountered while still passing their tests is shocking. So we have a bunch of chinese produced vehicles like great walls, chery and tata's running around with reported high levels/marks of safety, when in fact, some didn't even pass an equivalent australian test. It's quite alarming because you can sometimes find little oversights like this buried in things like free trade agreements australia has with other countries. We are essentially signing our high levels of safety away to foreign countries in the interest of making more money
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No, I meant If they are running, go out and have a look up close. If they made changes and/or replaced anything in the bogeys, you should be able to see it as cars go up the lift if you get right up close to the fence. The footage we have seen of it running isn't close enough to see if anything might be different.
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It can actually. Running a car on a test track is only going to simulate that it is operating correctly at that given point in time. Even with accelerometers and stress gauges monitoring operating, it's virtually impossible to test to failure. You are talking tens of thousands of hours of specified usage before failures might occur. How do you do this? if you ran it 8 hours a day and absolutely nothing else on your test track, it would take you years to test something to failure again. That's where computer simulations come into it, they can simulate years of running based off actual data they have taken during testing to pin point failure. Testing on your own track also doesn't factor in the environment which makes a hell of a difference, especially in a hot and UV extreme climate like australia. Anything that ever happens on test tracks is likely to confirm the operational data that the computer spits out. Not the other way around. They already know how a component should perform, it's designed for a purpose and function and they test it for a certain period; say enough time for the daily, weekly and monthly inspections to pass, so they can say that the component is performing as should. If it passes, it passes. There is no reason to think that a component should fail one month if it passes the previous one. It doesn't have to be run for years before it gets to that stage. If it was the opposite, that essentially invalidates specified scheduled servicing. They maintenance schedules are based off a calculation of the life of components and any adjustments that may need to be made. Some of these might only be quarterly, bi yearly, or yearly. That's a whole lot of time in between if you didn't know exactly what was going to happen. It's also exactly why critical components on roller coasters are replaced BEFORE the lifetime of the part, and anything that goes back into service is crack tested and inspected for defects. I imagine that's why plays a massive part of yearly shutdowns we see. Everything is disassembled, cleaned and sent out for testing where need be. Then everything is rebuilt and components are replaced before being returned to service. Same thing happens in track design, they can calculate the highest load sections of track without even having to leave the building. If you've watched them crack testing a track, they don't do the whole thing. Everything is given an actual inspection for visual defects, but only the sections with the highest loads that pose the greatest risk are stripped to bare metal and crack tested. The rest, if there are no visual signs of fatigue, pass. To put it another way. You buy a car expecting it to run for at least 10+ years (or more!) with scheduled maintenance. Do you think the manufacturer ran the vehicle for 10 years, or do you think they simulated a lot of data and relied on component manufacturers supplying them with parts and components designed to last a specific lifespan? It would take 15-20 years to design and test a vehicle before it was even released. To see how much of an impact computers have had on structural design, you only need to see how long it used to take to design and build a chassis, test it to destruction, then put it into service. Cars used to take 10-12 years from concept stage to the final product release, these days, completely new models (not just a visual change, but a whole new or modified chassis) are done within 3-4 years. When you break down a car into how many components it contains and just how complex the electrical systems have become, having to communicate with so many modules and controllers, it's really not a whole lot different. Design, build, test. If it passes reasonable use and all the data backs up your test phase, you release the product. If failures occur in operation, an amendment is released and a component is replaced with a new updated one. We have the same recalls in the automotive industry, lots of stuff that should meet expectations fails in the real world. Aside from a few really public things recently, most recalls happen without damage to the vehicle or loss of life. Everything about a coaster would be the exact same principle, just scaled up because the chance of a critical failure occurring and endangering life is greater (just like on an aircraft). I don't think we have to worry anything at all about if old cars were used on green lantern. At the very least, given the down time, they would have required yearly inspections anyway, so even if there wasn't an almost catastrophic failure, they would probably have gone through a major rebuild anyway. Couple that with what ever failed, it would be pretty safe to say that while the cars may visually look the same (even dirty), it's the stuff under them that is where the work would have been done. Driving past this afternoon it looks like they had a car on the lift hill. If someone is out that way during the day, stop by and see if they are doing any running.
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Out of the big franchises, keeping with the well loved zombie theme, what about resident evil? If they wanted to really go after the mature crowd and kick the kiddies to the side by ratcheting up the horror quite a bit, id flip my lid if they did something with the Hellraiser series. Brings with it a host of gore and sadism though, so maybe a little too much for movieworld to handle. Everyone loves pinhead until you actually meet pinhead. A squad of cenobites roaming the park with a puzzle box maze would be horrific (and delicious!). Edit: heres a bit of a run down on the cast of characters you could pick from, for those not so familiar with the series. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NT1_VlKEqA
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Regardless of the end result. Somewhere, someone is going to end up with one hell of a bill. Most likely it'll all end up with insurance companies footing the bill, but it'll just differ as to who is actually paying out.
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The manufacturer signs off on anything they produce to be fit for use, no matter what is requested on them. That is the ENTIRE point of quality assurance practices. In an industry like this, companies (theme parks that is) are run on similar principles as the aircraft industry. The manufacturer supplies them with all the technical data for operation and maintenance of the equipment, but the client has zero control of the ultimate design and production process. Everything on an engineering level is the responsibility of the company designing and manufacturing the ride, you can request specifics like changes to capacity and theming, but everything surrounding the design, production and ultimate supplying of the ride is down to S&S. The park is responsible for maintaining the equipment to the level specified by the manufacturer, that is where their responsibility ends. In the aircraft industry it's called compliance, every component that makes up the aircraft has a data file that displays how it is built and what components are used. Everything is documented and listed right down to what nut, bolt and washer to use and where to use it. There are no substitutes and components are pretty much only ever sourced directly from the original manufacturer to make sure that their are no issues with quality or production which could cause failures when supplied components by an untested outside source. We don't know exactly what part caused the critical failure, but the problem seems to have something to do with bogeys not the frame or chassis, in which case, I fail to see what they could cross brace for additional support when everything is essentially transmitted through sets of wheels and the components that they are fixed to before being attached to the chassis. At some point, it's all going to come down to maybe a few inches of steel holding everything together, the only way to lessen the load on components like this would be to add more bogeys or increase in size/width. As said by others above though, you can't maintain everything to the manufacturers design AND be responsible for a failure. If the design is at fault, it's 100% the manufacturer to blame even if your maintenance may not have picked up the failure occurring. If that were the case here, it becomes one of negligence with the park being responsible for not picking up the failure before an incident occurred. The failure is still ultimately a design flaw and the operator has no responsibility with regards to that, it's only that their practices (or those of their employees) were negligent in allowing the accident to occur. In cases like that, you can say the operator was partially responsible for the accident occurring, but not the cause if its a defect. Those are usually treated as too separate things by the way because it's often extremely difficult to prove something was overlooked which had already experienced a failure due to manufacturing or design defect. It essentially works as intended, or it doesn't and it breaks due to wear and fatigue. When dealing with fasteners, it's also extremely difficult to sight a failure until it has actually occurred. That is, unless it's actually broken, cracked or damaged, and the fastener as released or moved. It can appear (and still function in reduced capacity) to be fine, but internally it has started to fail. It's why components are replaced in specific intervals regardless of their apparent condition. The component (like a bearing) might be good for thousands of hours of use as supplied, and when checked still functions correctly without issue. BUT the component still ends up being replaced at a specific service period to avoid failure occurring. It's how you build redundancy into critical systems. You want to rebuild and replace the equipment long before it ever reaches the end of it's service life regardless of it's current condition. Lots of waste, but it stops things like planes falling out of the sky (and is supposed to stop roller coasters from derailing too, heh).
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You might have two hopes of finding out more via way of something official. If something ever went to court, at the least the case would be heard and you would have an incite via submissions before it would probably be settled long before it ever made it to court, but this seems very unlikely, or, worksafe (which I think comes under workcover now) will no doubt conduct an investigation into the incident, but as I think there was no loss of life, the findings probably won't be made public as it's unlikely anybody will be prosecuted. One thing you have to remember is it is possible that vrtp isn't responsible at all, but they can hardly come out and say as much. It opens up a whole host of questions about their other rides, and no doubt S&S wouldn't want to be buried in any statement either. I reckon the best we will have is no statement at all. I reckon we will just see a media release saying green lantern is open for business without any mention of the accident or any safety issues. I wouldn't at all be surprised if there was even discussion of a re-theme occurring during down time so the ride could effectively be given a soft launch and announced under a different name. Doesn't look like that is the case, but I reckon first and foremost would be to distance yourself as far as possible from the incident.
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How do Theme parks make profit from yearly passes?
Levithian replied to Louis.sayer3's topic in Theme Park Discussion
Parks have worked out something like over $100 is spent per day for a 4 person family on additional in park purchases. They track in park sales of food and beverage, plus merch and upsells very closely and know exactly what they need to turn over daily, and based off averages; how many people they need in the park each day to turn a profit. If you have no people in the park, you stand no chance of reaching those targets. Pretty simple (if well executed) economics. -
The news stand building is/was being replaced with another built in its place in main st.
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Stopping to get sushi on the other side of the highway and I thought I might do a drive by. Looks like they have trains back on track this afternoon. Wouldn't be surprised if they are doing some testing soon.