DaptoFunlandGuy

Remembering too that he has previously stated he recorded all the pre-show on video.... so i'm sure he's capable of doing so Gazza. Did he just say "thats enough from you" ????? I'm sure I read that wrong.... What am I - 7? I swear last time I looked I wasn't in primary school and he wasn't the teacher... Personally I'd class someone who asked the same question 9 times in 8 posts the idiot. 1.Does that sound idiotic to you guys? 2.I mean does that sound idiotic? 3.I'd really appreciate if you guys could let me know if that sounds idiotic? 4.I'm looking for any hint of that sounding idiotic? 5.Is this frustrating line of questioning starting to sound idiotic? 6.I'd really like to know if this is idiotic? 7.Is this Idiotic? 8.Do you think this is idiotic? 9.I'm hoping you guys think this series of questions is idiotic. *Now theres always one person out there who will post back 1. Yes, 2. Yes, 3. Yes...... and so on... so consider that as having been done, understand these are Rhetorical, and leave it at that. Personally I woulda asked once, maybe twice for the pics and then would have let it go, but then, if it was something I was going to need help with, or if I ever needed help again, I wouldn't set out to further alienate myself from the regulars on the boards by referring to one of them as an idiot - at least without due cause. ***Disclaimer - due cause exception does not apply to the following: Tony, Zane, Pixel (or whatever name he's calling himself this week) & Ash.. (list subject to be extended. list not subject to be reduced)

I think it's safe to say that No, we don't have any pics of Batman Adventure, The Ride. After the number of times you have asked for them, either we don't have them, or you have become so damn annoying we don't want to post them in the hopes that you will go away... I mean seriously... 9 Requests for pictures, IN THE ONE THREAD!!! You've only made 8 posts so far, and in 8 posts, you asked 9 times for pictures? Geezus Christ...... talk about overkill.

Personally, I believe everything in that post except the roof over main street. PA did close mid-2008, Hollywood stunt driver is scheduled to open in Oct 2008, and a new rollercoaster is rumored for the park, with little known at this stage... of course, this says nothing about WHEN the coaster will open. My prediction is the new coaster will be open sometime before 2015. To be honest this wiki sounds alot like the posts of either Ash, Patrick or the long since gone Nightshifter. Frankly all of this information has been debated and discussed over and over on these very boards.

Well, this many years after install you would expect the tigers not to mind... But remember that when the tigers are not in the public viewing area, they are in their enclosures "behind" tiger island, which is conveniently muted by trees, walls etc. The launch sounds are not the main cause of the noise from ToT either. That comes from the other end of the track. Also, its probably 50 metres to the public side of the moat. It is closer to 100-150 metre range to where the tigers spend most of their time. There is also a lot of trees, buildings etc that shield most of tiger island from the direct sound of the ToT station bay - WHICH is a further 20 or so metres ahead of where the building ends - the rollback area is the closest, and (i was going to say rarely) used only when the ride fails. These are also tigers that are trained. They do tricks on command. They're like circus animals with a conservation fund. Zoo Animals are less likely to be trained and used to humans and mechanical behaviours than the tigers on tiger island.

Guarantee that that is a monorail. The power rails running under the monorail is a dead giveaway, and is just like every other monorail i've ever seen. Oh by the way, welcome back to the planet, and how was it on the dark side of the moon without any news on the movements of a 360 Looping Starship.. Only Kidding... but to answer your question: The park is Malaysia's Sunway Lagoon, specifically, it would appear to be Sunway Wild Life. Shown here on the Park Map directly to the right hand side of the "wild life" sign

Well now, you weren't making an observation, you commented on it with an opinion, and asked for peoples thoughts. I didn't say you should back down from what you said, I just said I couldn't see how you could form that opinion, raised what I believe are some pretty good points in argument against your opinion and asked you to expand on it further. I would like to hear your expanded thoughts against the attraction on why the railway is superior, and why the sceniscender is pointless?

You're kidding right? Joz.... thats gotta make quote of the week. I think its safe to say that we have, for the most part, all played RCT3

Well now Taronga, it seems it's time to put your money where your mouth is. Three separate people including myself have replied to your statements with a challenge to come up with a single idea or concept that had a hope of being more popular for a longer time that PASS. We're ready when you are...

Ahhhh, well that would make a lot more sense. Sorry Gazza, I wasn't quite clear... Thanks for clearing that up Taronga.

Gazza, i'm a little confused as to where that pic was taken... it doesnt look like the PA set at all.... I mean the only part of the set it could be is the back end of the main facade, on the WB KIDS side, as any other view would have the main building, or part of the grandstands, but I seem to remember that blue oyster was down that end and it was white, not pink\beige. Help me out here? (also, if it is behind the main facade, how'd you get back there eh?)

It's funny you should use that as an argument on why they should have gotten rid of it sooner - put it this way: The PASS first performed in the hey-day of the show, and remained popular with guests for some 17 years. Now the franchise itself probably waned a little in popularity by 2000-2001, but the show itself was still solid, had great backing and a great script, and a solid bedding in the history of the park, and the performances were still filled to the rafters right up to the last day. Now that it is "too late" because the "popularity of these possible shows" have passed means that that in itself is a good reason on why they should not have changed it. Because whatever they changed it to would have expired long before now. Basing the show around a series of long running, long popular 7 episode movies based on a central theme gave plenty of ammunition, and a diverse demographic. I grew up with the police academy movies, rented at least one of them out every weekend when I was a kid, and now own the full boxed set. Kids younger than me would have been introduced to it by their older siblings, and parents would also remember the movies as it would have been a big cult icon for them when they were younger too. For a lot of kids\teens in the 80's it was their first movie with full frontal female nudity, because mum and dad would let you watch it as a family movie. These days that kind of gratuitous nudity would carry an MA rating. I also believe it is great that the movies provided so much ammunition. Captain Harris on stage had a lot of ammunition to use in his introduction, and he was allowed to make off the cuff remarks while remaining in character because he had 7 movies to draw his inspiration from. I have come home from MW some days to pull out one of the movies just to look up the statement he made on stage that day and check to see if his facts were right - and they always were. Those guys would live the characters, and would have seen every one of the movies over and over again. What possible franchise is out there that would allow the actors to immerse themselves so well into character? Please point out to me one possible show that movie world could have changed the stunt show to in all its years of operation that could have possibly had a remote chance at the success that PASS enjoyed? Having said that, I think Movie World making the change to a generic theme is dangerous in some aspects, but great in some others. A generic theme means they won't be restricted to certain characters, and can change the act as it becomes necessary. They don't have to live up to any certain expectations, except of course the memory of PASS itself. I saw it happen at Wonderland too - the Action Man stunt show was written in based on the story and allowed no flexibility to change. Fortunately for Wonderland - that show didn't need to run nearly as long.

Well no there hasn't been a movie, but a 27 episode long TV series was made by some of the original cast and crew. Police Academy: The Series first aired in 1997, and featured Tackleberry's younger siblings, and returned Michael Winslow as Larvelle Jones. Paul Maslansky returned for a short time as executive producer, having worked on EVERY police academy movie ever made. For a bit of trivia, lets see who can guess this one, just to keep the thread going a bit longer. The PASS lasted for over 17 years. Which characters lasted throughout all of the Police Academy movies and featured in each one? a: Captain Harris, Commandant Lassard, Kerry Mahoney b: Lieutenant Hightower, Captain Harris, Sergeant Tackleberry c: Sergeant Jones, Sergeant Tackleberry, Commandant Lassard d: Captain Callahan, Sergeant Hightower, Lieutenant Proctor I also want to point out how amazing it was for the cast and crew to pull out the movies as fast as they did. There was very little in the way of special effects for usage back then, especially for the kind of movies that they were, so for the most part, all of the action, stunts etc were all done the old fashioned way, by blowing stuff up. The first movie was released in 1984. Another sequel was then released each year thereafter until 1989 when Police Academy 6: City Under Siege was released. 6 episodes in 6 years is amazing. They followed it up with Episode 7 in 1994, 5 years later.

Thanks Gazza, While I didn't research it, I made the presumption that it would be a nicktoon, as it sounded like half of the crap you already see on Nickelodeon already. It was just me taking the p!ss out of the show, the storyline, the network, the viewers and the suggestion as a thematic element. 5 in one paragraph... nice eh?

The park's management itself could also be good. I know WVTP own the park, however looking back at Wonderland, and the number of owners it had, in the fire sale, they were still clearing a lot of memorabilia, and old video tapes from the first seasons. It is possible that the park itself maintains copies. I'm sure there would be some form of recourse for you to contact them with your story.

The unfortunate fact of life is that regardless of how you tell them, those who are incapable of properly constructing a sentence in a forum style, rather than chat, instant messenger or txting, are victims of the modern world, and a poor school system, and rather than recognise the message for what it is, it will usually boil down to aggressiveness or defensiveness on their part due to the lack of education and proper schooling. But I digress, and this discussion has not only been done before, it also belongs in a different topic. On this topic, It is a good filler attraction. We all talked about WBMW a year or two ago, when batwing was announced. A low budget attraction that came with a difference, a year after a new coaster had been unveiled. It is an attraction to "fill the gap" between coasters. A low expenditure (comparatively speaking of course) attraction to bring crowds in who have tired of the last attraction, and need a reason to come back, without the park spending millions on a new coaster every year. (much as we would like them to). It is a smart move by Dreamworld (who woulda thought?) and while it is a Nick Central attraction, I have a feeling its unique experience will draw the bigger kids too (like Reptar). I've seen this style of attraction at the royal shows, but never felt like paying $6 pr $7 a ride, especially when the last time I saw it I was on a photo shoot for the Royal Easter show and snapped quite a few pictures of it broken down and leaking copious amounts of hydraulic fluid. I guess so long as dreamworld's maintenance doesn't make a similar mistake in their upkeep , i'll get the opportunity to ride it now.

I am at a loss as to what you are referring to - Scenic world has only 4 attractions, or 5 if you count the counterweight discussion. Scenic Railway Scenic Skyway Sceniscender and of course Orphan Rocker (under construction ) Since both Railway and Sceniscender are the only ones that transport from the clifftop to the valley, I presume it is the sceniscender you are referring to. As far as it being pointless, there are a number of attractions that you could term pointless, right around the world. The railway certainly did "do the job" but it is an archaic system, that drives straight through the cliff face and takes seconds to complete. It is certainly a fast way of getting down the mountain but as far as perspective, you leave the station, go near vertical (or at least it feels that way) before shooting out of the mouth of the man-made cave seconds before arriving at the lower station, where you have a momentary thought of "will we stop before the end of the track?". The sceniscender on the other hand provides riders with a unique sense of flying - The gondola departs the station by leaping off the launch platform, and gently gliding down into the valley, providing many with the opportunity to take a unique photograph of the Blue Mountains from a perspective many never have before. It is a more technologically advanced ride, which would no doubt allow for far easier maintenance and control. Guest comfort is also a plus, where on the railway you could frequently get rained on, with only thin shadecloth as protection, and open sides of the car, where the propensity for injury is high, given there is only a weak plastic chain, more for show than protection to stop people attempting to leave the car. The sceniscender is completely secured by the operator, meaning less possibility for injury, and therefore lawsuits. Having another way to make it into the valley is also helpful. If maintenance is required on either attraction, visitors can still venture down to the floor without taking the staircase. Another plus is that visitors can enter the valley by the railway, tour the boardwalks of the valley and leave using the sceniscender, meaning that the entire tour of the valley is conducted downhill, and therefore more accessible for the less mobile or elderly. Lastly, it provides for the operators of Scenic world and those who maintain and construct the valley floor attractions a far easier way to get equipment and supplies to the floor to maintain those attractions. It would also be much easier to evacuate in case of injury or illness on the sceniscender with a fairly level floor and open space, rather than the individual seating and cramped cabin of the railway. Have I shown enough POINTS as to why the Sceniscender is not POINTLESS? Insofar as you say that the railway is more superior - well thats an opinion, and each person is entitled to their own. The railway is a classic katoomba attraction, just like the skyway, but the skyway was recently updated, replaced with a gondola more accomodating to the modern guest, just like the sceniscender itself. The railway is fairly restrictive, and would not allow for similar modernisation simply because the railway was designed to haul coal up the mountainside, rather than Japanese tourists, and there are size, height and width restrictions on changing it, not to mention the historical significances. I fail to see how it could be "superior" as each attraction is designed with different merits - the railway on "how they used to do it", to immerse you in the history of the attraction, and the sceniscender on "travelling in style and convenience". Could you expand more on what you mean by Superior so that I might better understand what you mean?

Dont forget the cyclone... Oh and while you're at it - DON'T FORGET WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BLOODY NICK CENTRAL AND NOT OCEAN PARADE - nit wit. I'm struggling to find just one cohesive idea there... let me see... Nightmares.. ok so were... woops hang on - next line... Bumper boats - ok so we're in ocean parade... yep sounds like it - RC speedboats is on the same track... Unless they go to get rid of the swings - wait thats in Nick Central... weren't we in Ocean parade? So now we're talking about some firelord sozen - now either thats a reject from the power rangers, or you are too young to be surfing the net alone... and yet you claim to be in high school. We're also talking about Avater, or is it Avatar? you've spelled it differently both times. What kind of name is that anyway? You want Avatar? Its the little picture on the top left of my post. It's a roller coaster, and since you can't be over 5, you wouldn't recognise the coaster - so to help you out - heres a link to the database - Its a Roller Coaster - something people ride when they get older. This one is a Wooden one, bet you didn't know they made those? This one specifically closed 4 years ago, around the time you were learning to talk. Don't worry, i'm sure you will learn to use the english language a little better over the next year of primary school \ state school \ preperatory school \ whatever they call it in the state you're from.

The problem is the majority of Nickelodeon movies out there appeal to those sub-primary school. You're talking an adventure ride in the likes of wild west, scooby doo, etc... You're not getting most 7 year olds on it, and that would be the target demographic of that kind of theming... With the exception of intellectual retards in Junior Highschool that still idolise Spongebob (for girls, its cute... for guys its just complete idiocy.) It would appear as a childrens ride, and you would not get your main demographic riding it - so that kind of attraction would be a white elephant. Don't get me wrong, i'm not trumpeting thrills and all that jazz. I know a park needs a good mix of rides, what I am saying is that you can take something like say - Scooby Doo - a movie that appeals to most age groups, theres the cartoonish aspect for the kids, the double entendre for the adults, the token gorgeous gals to get the teenage boys hooked, and the spunky buff guys to hook the teenage girls, and you've got a well rounded movie that appeals to all age groups. Shrek is similar - the kids don't get the adult jokes, and love the kids aspect that it is set in a fairy tale land. The adults enjoy the double entendre, The teen boys go for the dirty jokes, and the teen girls go for the love story. Both of these movies lead the way into a well themed attraction that people of all ages will flock to. Wild Thornberry's are assimilated with the Rainforest Rampage a ride that by dreamworld's own description is Not the kind of thing I can see anybody going into over the age of about 8 unless they're watching a younger sibling. The only possible thing that dreamworld could do would be to theme like Wild West is - no specific franchise to attach to it, just a well themed, good quality ride. Now first - we need to consider well themed - even if the theming IS done well, which is a stretch at the best of times for dreamworld, it will not be maintained and fall to pieces in a few years, so forget the well themed part. Now we consider good quality - all you have to do is take a look at the history of dreamworld to see what will happen there - and again due to the maintenance as i've already said, anything OF decent quality won't last long. Dreamworld should stick to bought-off-the-shelf thrills with as little to maintain as possible, because they're not going to spend the money to keep it running at top notch. They should also stop going for the record-holders, because record holders are usually one of a kind, which also means more difficult to maintain as the parts are usually a lot harder to come by. The only record holder i'd like to see them go for is a woodie - because while it would be a bitch to maintain, it would be good to have another woodie around.

At first I thought it was another teacups. The mechanics on it would be really interesting. Reasonable footprint, good solid ride, suitable for the kiddies but still fun enough for the big kids... thats a reasonable ride you found there Gazza. I realise its Zamperla, but is it available? As in the design isn't a custom for Disney\Pixar? wI know it would need to be themed another way, because Cars would be out of the question... what could you theme it to? Animaniacs? Pinky and the Brain? Animaniacs would be good - you could even do the turntables with each of their faces on... that'd just freak me out - yakko wacko and dot all spinning around in front of me...

Well it DID expand last year.....?

And by doing so, would once again make themselves out to appear copycat. Dreamworld are the ultimate imitator, while Movie World are the innovators. The problem lies with immersive theming. Movie World can pick a movie off the shelf, theme a ride to it, and it is already immersive because the plotline and story are well known, so it doesn't have to be sold. Dreamworld on the other hand have no franchises other than wiggles, nickelodeon and big brother. Unfortunately, this doesn't leave much to theme with. Dreamworld are better doing what they do which is throwing mediocre dollars at mediocre attractions and hyping them up to make it better than it is.... and then poorly maintaining them until they need to be removed. ***Make it last at least a minute? Cycle times of most of the flats in the major parks go for at least triple that. Bermuda is about 6 or 7 minutes... a more realistic timeframe would be good. Something going for a minute - geez... immersive theming? more like McDonalds drive thru (although it's rare those guys hit 1 minute either).

I wasn't referring to the topic in general, just Shadows last post as it seemed very very disrespectful. I understand his position, can see what he meant and retract most of what I said, so long as there is no screaming on the batwing - it is a moment of silence after all. There is a difference between extended trade in a screamworld style event, where the rides have already been inspected, some staff are already at the park and can double shift\extend shift it. For Utopia at Wonderland I would start at about 12 or 1pm, and go all the way through to close, thereby maximising the park staff with similar working arrangements. The difference between a screamworld and a 4.5hour Anzac day trade is that the cost of operating for just 4.5 hours, rather than a 7ish hour standard trade, a short closure and then a reopening for another 4ish hours is massive. The maintenance expense on a screamworld day would be cheaper, because the rides would operate for over 11 hours on the one inspection, as opposed to 4.5 hours operation on the exact same cost. Same costs to inspect the rides, lower operation time, lower income to be made. Staffing wise, most awards covering the themepark \ hospitality would dictate a minimum 5 hour shift. Most staff would make this extra half hour with arrival\start times before the park opened, but the parks generally need relief staff, and so would be "overstaffed" with their regular contingent, and so are faced with two choices - have the staff required to cover shift relief, OH&S breaks etc, or understaff to reduce their wages, and pay the price in capacity, and of course the reduced staff means fewer outlets, stalls etc open, and therefore less money again. If you really don't understand this, and want me to do the math on it - say so and i'll lay it all out for you in an easy to understand way.

Heartless, unpatriotic, immature, and completely inappropriate. The values we have out there in society today disgust me. If you have no dignity, no respect for those who fought and died for the country that we have today, fine. You are entitled to your own opinions and views but a blatant disrespect for those diggers is offensive, and I would hope you feel very ashamed for that comment. In regards to dreamworld; The cost of operating the attractions even for a shorter period that day, coupled with the fact that the park would not receive as many guests as they would on a weekend simply because of the trading hours reduction (which by the way is a LAW, not just a choice by the parks to operate for half a day), means that the park cannot operate with a reduced entry fee. If you aren't happy with the same fee for reduced hours, don't go. The park obviously cannot sustain the operations of the park without the full price admission fee.

At the going down of the sun, we will remember them.

Even Wonderland did this on ANZAC day. No other place closes later just because they open later to "keep the customer happy". My local westfield opens at 1:30pm and closes at 4. That's two and a half hours - I feel sorry for the employers that have to pay their staff a minimum of 5 hours at public holiday rates and only getting half the time out of them. I also feel sorry for those employees who for the sake of two and a half hours - have to go to work. Point is - let's not make this out like its big bad macquarie leisure cashing in - Just because MW decided to stay open a little later, doesnt mean its Macquarie who is the greedy one... MW is just as greedy - staying open longer to get more money through the turnstiles and in the cash registers. (and I just want to point out here before I get flamed, I am an avid WVTP supporter, and am not usually in favour of DW... im just trying to be unbiased here)