Brad2912

Woohoo! Can I trade those points in at the redemption counter?

Well according to the report today, the senior Ride op said he noticed the drop in water levels so pressed the slow stop button prior to the incident to stop the conveyor, but nothing happened. He went and unloaded the next group, still nothing had happened, so he went and pressed it more times.. that was when the second raft continued to move down the conveyor

No, I’m saying it is more possible to cause harm performing CPR on a baby than it is on an adult. It Would be near impossible to cause “more” damage to an adult by stuffing up cpr than not trying at all, whereas doing cpr on a baby/young infant you need to make sure you know what you are doing,

Much of the third day of the inquest into their deaths, being held at Southport Courthouse, considered the timing and sequence which level-three ride operator Peter Nemeth pushed the eight-second emergency stop button after seeing the water level had dropped on the ride. The inquest heard Mr Nemeth saw the water level was low and went into the control room to press the slow-stop button in an attempt to stop the conveyor belt on the ride, but it did not work. He returned to help unload passengers from a raft before going back and hitting the button about three more times when he saw two rafts were about to collide, moments before the fatal accident, as the conveyor belt had not stopped. Under cross-examination by barrister Craig Eberhardt, for Ardent Group safety manager Angus Hutchings, Mr Nemeth conceded he did not press the two-second emergency stop button at the unload end of the ride, despite being the senior person in charge on the day of the fatal disaster. He asked if there was a reason the ride operator didn’t race over and press the button. “If I had a bit more time I could have done that I think... you’re speculating how many seconds... I don’t know if I could have done that,” Mr Nemeth replied. Mr Nemeth later said there would not have been enough time to run the 10m to the unload area and press the button. “You didn’t even try did you?” Mr Eberhardt asked. “No, I didn’t try.”

Little different with a baby as if your compressions are done with your palm instead of using 2 fingers you can easily break their ribs which can cause severe internal injuries, or if you blow into their lungs rather than puff you can overinflated & burst their lungs.

Whilst I wouldn’t expect all ride ops to be first aid trained, I would have made an assumption that senior ride ops operating water based rides would have CPR training as a minimum, and that’s a fair expectation imo... Ok this is just strange now... 3pm news on the radio just said that the senior operator has now admitted he didn’t even hit the emergency stop button “because there wasn’t time”...

Given the info that’s come out in the last 48 hours I’m hesitant to complain that they are actually doing maintenance....

So ‘Clive Palmers’ Dreamworld’ doesn’t work for you? 😜

A very non-GCB article by the GCB... Opinion: Parks like Movie World a massive asset for the Gold Coast JUNE 20, 2018 A COUPLE of weeks ago I was on a roller coaster that stopped unexpectedly at Movie World. I was in a carriage with my 11-year-old daughter, a friend, and his five-year-old son. We were up there for at least five minutes, probably more, before being evacuated. And it was about the least frightening thing that’s happened to me in my life. It was a side of our theme parks most don’t get to see — what happens when safety precautions kick in. In our case, we were enjoying a spin on the wildly entertaining Scooby Doo Spooky Coaster when our carriage eased to a halt. For those who haven’t had the pleasure, the Scooby Doo coaster is an indoor ride that hurls you fast around a twisting track in near absolute darkness as the rambunctious theme tune to the popular show plays in the background. It’s an absolute hoot, a Movie World favourite that always draws long lines. As we spun through the main section of the ride our carriage slowed. The music stopped playing. The lights went up. And an impressive scene unfolded. Our carriage had parked itself at a walkway leading to an emergency exit, not normally visible in the dark. We watched as carriages behind us arrived, and each slowed to a perfect halt beside their own individual walkway and exit. It was precision engineering the Germans would be Proud of After a couple of minutes, a member of staff appeared at each exit, ready to release riders one by one and lead them to the exit. The staff member who assisted us apologised as she introduced herself — for being nervous. She was shaking a little. It was, she confessed, her “first evac”. She need not have worried. If she was nervous, she was the only one. The engineering marvel that unfolded and professionalism of the clearly well-trained employees, first-timers or not, had everyone perfectly at ease. It was a world away from the truly shocking tale of missed warnings and faulty pumps being told 15km away in the Southport Coroners Court this week. Although unrelated, the publicity from the tragic accident that took four lives at Dreamworld in October 2016 had a negative impact on all our theme parks. There is a fear that a similar downturn may happen again after this week’s proceedings. But there is an enormous gulf between the practices that allegedly contributed to the accident in 2016 and what I recently witnessed. When rides stop, people sometimes start taking pictures on their phones and spreading alarmist messages online. Sometimes TV news even jumps on the bandwagon. To do so is wrong and misleading. Controlled stops like the one I encountered are an indication of safety mechanisms operating exactly as they should. Remember, as we have learnt this week, one of the factors that caused the Dreamworld tragedy was that it did not have an automatic stopping mechanism. Yet since 2016, every time such a minor event occurs at a Gold Coast park, it is sensationalised into a drama it is not. It is damaging and very wrong, not least because our theme parks do more for Gold Coast tourism than any other business and deserve our support. They are a huge sour We’ve heard a lot recently about the potential of a so-called “Global Tourism Hub” or “Integrated Resort Development” to deliver a major attraction to the city. To do so such a development would be backed by a casino and God knows how many poker machines. Yet we already have the finest tourist attractions in the country sitting just off the M1 at Oxenford, and all built without a single family-destroying poker machine being installed. The theme parks have also received precious little marketing backing, featuring little in recent Gold Coast Tourism campaigns despite their obvious need of support in the past two years. And yet, at Oxenford, the investment has continued apace. The inquest taking place in the Southport Coroners Court this week has torn the scab off a wound that is still very raw. The details aired so far have been highly distressing. It is hard to imagine how the pain of the victims’ families attending proceedings could be made more intense. But allegations of missed warnings and bad practices dating back years will surely have done just that. The resulting publicity means the Gold Coast’s hard-won reputation as the nation’s premier tourist destination may take another hit, leading to a fall in numbers at all our theme parks, as happened in 2016. 7’That is something we should work to avoid because the reality is that places like Movie World are among this city’s greatest assets and incredibly well run — as I recently so clearly witnessed.

True, but your mobile phone company doesn’t usually take features away from your plan. Which is what has happened there. My issue stems more from what’s been taken than what’s being missed out on

If they were debuting a new joker I’d have rather seen a TDK Ledger version...

It’s not about that though.. its about the fact that “VTP Memberships” were marketed as the premium type of annual pass. They were above the standard offering. Now it seems people on this premium pass option are neglected as they are basically perennial members and don’t need to be “encouraged/bribed” to renew their pass. All of the perks outside of park access have been removed with no reduction in price, and now people on one passes receive extra perks. It’s inconsistent messages which annoy people

I think the answer is no, but do theme parks have “licences” as such that allow them to operate - just as say zoos and casinos do? Would/could the outcome of this inquest potentially hand down or have the power to suspend said “licence” if one exists? I don’t see anyway Ardent comes out of this financially or reputationally well... just curious as to if a stipulation as such could be made that Ardent could no longer operate theme parks for x amount of years as a condition/outcome Sensors are a type of sensor. Correct.

I read somewhere today that the e-stop button was pressed within 5 seconds of the raft tilting. Sounds pretty efficient given the horror and wtf instinct that would immediately cloud every part of your brain. Raft lifting to full stoppage was under 20 seconds due to the 12 second slow down in the conveyer. As Alex said, it was 57 seconds from pump failure to the accident. The raft was absolutely not stopped for 57 seconds. whilst the operators would still bare the mental scars, they can’t be attributed blame for the failure of their employer to provide a functional safety system that adhered to safety recommendations

Quality work again by GCB, they have a timeline of all the events, here is a couple of the “events”... hmm, anyone spot the problem?

My guess would be none, now.

Glad to hear it!

Last 2 times I’ve gone in with my premium membership card I’ve been told “you need to go to the ticket booth and update your pass”. Both times it’s been packed so haven’t done it - but my feeling is they will try to force a transition from memberships to one pass. Both landing pages for Membership benefits have become dead links of late - so the perks have disappeared

Think they’d have made some noise a little earlier, less than 2 weeks until the holidays start, should have been promoting it for weeks to encourage short day trips to be planned

Got it in one @webslave sure you weren’t part of the creative team? Haha

Detective Sergeant Nicola Brown told the inquest the ride operator who was near the only emergency stop button did not know what it was for. The ride operator was not aware the button could stop the conveyor belt in two seconds. The control panel only had a “slow stop” of the conveyor belt. She said the ability of police to gather information from Dreamworld “could’ve perhaps been better”. Sgt Brown said Dreamworld provided all the information requested but the format it was in made it difficult to decipher and determine which documents were relevant. The court also heard the ride did not have an emergency stop button which disabled all of the components of the ride. Sgt Brown said a second stop button brought the conveyor belt to a stop, but took seven seconds to completely stop. She said safety audits had previously recommended a single emergency stop button be installed. Det Sgt Brown also told the court there had been a recommendation in 1999 that an emergency stop button that shut off rides immediately — rather than taking seven seconds to shut down — be installed. “The 1999 recommendation of positive energy stop didn’t happen then or even later,” Mr Fleming asked. “No,” Det Sgt Brown said. So reading that - there is NO positive energy stop on the ride?? WTF? A full shutdown required both buttons to be pushed?

Don’t have text to copy and paste but on the local radio news up here it was just reported: 2 staff Working - 1 junior and one senior. the junior staff member was incharge of the panel at the time of accident she admitted to police investigators that she wasn’t aware how to use the emergency stop system, and this process did form any of her training. She also admitted that the panel itself was confusing, and investigators noted this as well when trying to operate the ride.

Given half the dates were prior to TG opening I don’t think that was the plan, though they may pick up some residual business on the final 2 nights. Assuming the park has private events on this fri/sat which is why it’s not on

So did they open a month early or was the thread title wrong?

Dreamworld staff’s safety fears after tragedy reveals parks rollercoaster of emotion JUNE 16, 2018 STAFF have accused Dreamworld of refusing to implement key training procedures following the Thunder River Rapids ride tragedy that killed four people. The Bulletin has obtained internal documents and spoken to whistleblowers as part of an investigation which puts the spotlight on the theme park’s management on the eve of a coroner’s inquest. Staff claim a manager refused requests for critical response training because “the incident was too raw to get involved”. Experienced health and safety workers also allege: * No formalised critical response training had occurred since the tragic events of 2016. * When it was brought up managers responded by saying that “it is too raw” or talked about cost factors and not having the budget to cover the expense of training. * Nothing was documented for first respondents on what to do if an incident occurred on a ride which requires guest extraction. * If a guest sustained an injury on a ride there was no formal response, individual clinicians having to make up their own mind what to do. * If a ride like the Buzz Saw was stopped, staff lacked formal guidelines on how to get people out. * Inexperienced staff had been appointed to senior safety roles and some multi-hired staff have basic first aid but need more training. * First aid staff had been excluded from some training, and safety concerns were raised in an inhouse survey. * Some staff were refusing to operate certain rides because they had concerns about safety. * Staff were operating rides after only four to five months working in the theme park despite previous practice requiring 18 months. A pre-inquest hearing in April found a faulty water pump and raft were the likely trigger for the ride malfunction which killed four tourists in October 2016. Kate Goodchild, 32, her brother Luke Dorsett, 35, and his partner Roozbeh Araghi, 38, and Gosford woman Cindy Low, 42, died in the tragedy. The Bulletin revealed the pump malfunction as the cause, and in a special report detailed how safety concerns had surfaced four years earlier. Fresh documents detailing notes from interviews and emails with staff show an offsite meeting chaired by Arden Leisure’s chief audit officer was held at Hope Island in late April. Workplace Health and Safety Queensland said it had received a complaint last month about a range of alleged issues at Dreamworld, and an inspector and engineer attended the theme park to investigate. “No contraventions of WHS legislation were identified and the investigation into the alleged issues has concluded,” the spokesperson said. But the Bulletin has been told the investigation did not consider cultural and management issues. Dreamworld yesterday issued a statement indicating the theme park would “continue to co-operate with the Coroner and those assisting him”. A Dreamworld spokesman said the theme park was not in a position to provide information which may be dealt with by the inquiry. “Every complaint relating in any way to a safety matter is fully investigated. Where appropriate external advice is sought to ensure every safety complaint is dealt with thoroughly,” the spokesperson said. AWU acting branch secretary Steve Baker said union members were concerned about Dreamworld’s approach to safety matters. Documents were provided to police for the Coroner. “A major concern has been a culture of secrecy in the behaviour of Dreamworld management,” Mr Baker said. “Whenever the union sought documentation from Dreamworld regarding safety issues, these requests were refused by management. This meant the union had to pursue matters through other means including Right to Information.” At April’s safety audit meeting, some staff said some managers were suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder “I get asked by every second guest was I there on the day. It is referred to as ‘the incident’. The effects of this incident are still being felt among the staff,” a staffer said. Aquatics at the park had staged incident response training in a room so as “to not be visible because of sensitivities”. A plan for a major health and safety training day at the water park was abandoned after the Rapids Ride tragedy. “They said it was too fresh, we shouldn’t be doing CPR, it will harm others in the park,” a Dreamworld source said. “The lifeguards needed that training. We now know these events are real and can happen.” Despite rides being deemed safe and passing engineer testing, some staff were reluctant to be operators. “I know people who refuse to operate,” another Dreamworld source said. “I know some who say it took me three years to get Rapids, now they (newer employees) are getting high-level rides in 18 months.” Another theme park insider told the Bulletin: “The staff are committed, dedicated and professional. They were pushed down and out. “A number of people who were first responders — they’re gone. They saw the clinicians being decimated and decrease with expertise.”