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Yes it was a bargain and yay a new coaster. But they really doubled down on the bargain by plonking it in the car park. It’s really the Scream (SFMM) of Australia coasters. I’d consider any coaster that has a custom layout to fit an existing space a terrain style coaster. It wrapped over buildings and snuck through gaps that existed between existing structures and the cliff so yes I’d call it terrain.

This is the problem with just taking a perfectly designed terrain coaster and just plonking it in a car park. One of the stupidest thing Dreamworld of old did with all the land they had available.

It’s always interesting to see a park like this come up with designs (and probably build them) far more imaginative and immersive than our major parks can manage for a water park.

I wasn't attempting to minimise your perspective, and apologies if it came across that way. I'm just saying I don't think your perspective speaks to the majority. You also seem to be speaking to current times with regard to your friends. As we are discussing nostalgia I'm talking about 8-10 year olds of the 90s and for those I'll definitely stand by my statement that I think a lot of interstate people really thought of the Gold Coast as theme parks. Because most Sydney people say, would go to the Sydney beaches as 'the beach'. Kids tend to look at points of differences to recognise destinations, hence Gold Coast being theme parks because the beaches at home didn't have that. That's kind of my point. Nostalgia for Village may exist, but not in the context of theme parks. So in order for a Village logo to generate a feeling of nostalgia for parents of today, they would have to associate that Village symbol with theme parks, which they won't. As I said, see how well that worked out for Disney. Corporate branding doesn't really create a sense of affection, warmth and indeed nostalgia which are all things you want for a theme park. When parks have their own identity, people are more likely to want to revisit more than one. Long before the internet and the facebooks came the "3 Park Super Pass". It had 3 logos on it, the name made it obvious what it was, and really it changed the parks forever in terms of how people chose to visit them. IMO that did more for brand awareness in terms of the parks being associated than any kind of Village Parks does today. But I'm not going to speak for everyone on this, because unlike some of my earlier comments I only have my personal experience to go on for this one.

Multiple people around the theme park/construction industry have all said the same thing that the ride is still over there till they have funds. Then the park goes on record to say 60 are still to come. It’s not really a stretch. Especially when you factor shipping is a mess right now

Well that's because 85% of the time VRTP are doing good things and Dreamworld are doing rubbish. Having an opinion on a particular action the park is taking is very different to picking sides in which theme park you support and which one you hate. I'll tell you straight up that what happened with TRR was a joke and people should go to gaol. But I'll also say I think the Cosentino show was a great initiative and Tiger Island is the best animal attraction on the Gold Coast.

So the above post makes no sense. First you said the issue was the bullying the government. Now either you've sat in a boardroom meeting with them and witnessed this, or you've read something in the media. But now you say it's actually just their whole public image? What image is that exactly? Again, the only public image can be one read in the media so... When exactly WEREN'T they working with the government? I would stake a great deal on the fact they were working with the government from day one on a way out of the situation. I'm saying people pick sides based on which park is making them feel more special about themselves, not by the actual goings on within the park themselves on whatever the topic may be. And the last statement makes no sense. Movie World have at least 2 and arguably 3 world class coasters (if you count Scooby). Dreamworld has a bunch of steel for a 1/3 of a coaster sitting in a carpark with no certainty on being able to assemble it... so which side are people picking exactly? The fact that people pick sides at all is ridiculous in itself.

I think the trouble here is basing you opinion on what park management are doing on what you read from a 'news' paper who can't even use the same figure for a rides budget twice in the same article or proof read their words are spelt right. If anyone for one second thinks that Dreamworld Management and Village Management aren't taking the exact same steps to get their properties open the exact second they can with as many people in them as possible they are kidding themselves. Hell if you read the trash the GCB puts out you'd say Dreamworld are not only demanding to reopen, they are demanding the government pay to assemble a coaster they can't afford. The premier was at the parks last week, meeting face to face with management. If that isn't 'willing to work with the government' then I don't know what is. Countless businesses across the country, including entertainment based ones didn't shut until the government forced them. Mostly for the simple fact is insurance doesn't pay out unless you are forced to close. And as for any assumptions I make, I make them because if I go back a couple years the same people were on here blindly praising any move Village made and trashing Dreamworld, regardless of what the issue being discussed was. Now they are blindly doing the reverse. So you'd have to forgive me for thinking there is some significant personal bias going on.

I just find it really interesting that peoples opinions on the various parks seem to switch depending on whichever management pay them some mind. I remember a short time ago everyone was soooo PRO EVERYTHING Movie World did when Greg was there and gave enthusiasts a whole bunch of love, and Dreamworld was the shit park. Now magically one person has some negative FB comment with Bikash and all of a sudden everything Dreamworld do is golden and Village are apparently evil. They are a company that has legal obligation to its shareholders. The management has a responsibility to try and work with the government to get open and making money. Dreamworld are doing the same thing. And if anyone can tell me why the White Rhino Bar in Surfers can have 100 patrons from tomorrow but theme parks would be limited to 20? Why can Qantas now put 180 people next to each other on a plane for 3 hours, but a theatre can seat patrons for a show? Let's be honest, so many social distancing restrictions are being tossed aside right now all over the shop, why shouldn't the parks be working yo when they can reopen? Also last time I checked, having meetings and developing comprehensive COVID Safe plans with the government is hardly bullying.

I'm from Sydney and only visited the parks for a holiday. I have a nostalgic/childhood/real memory of the Parks, not of a video logo. In fact I'd say most people (and so many still think this) Village Roadshow is an American company because that logo was on the front of every American feature they remember watching. So whilst a couple of argumentative experiences in this select forum might have more memory of a VHS tape than a theme park from being a child I WHOLE disagree that's the experience of most people from growing up. Id go so far to say as many kids thought of the Gold Coast as theme parks rather than beaches. I'd say it will be the one of Village Roadshow Theme Parks, and it's CEO Clark Kirby. Given that every statement about the offer states the company is keeping it's name and CEO I have no idea where that sort of snarky comment comes from.

Just ask Disney how well the generic cross branding “Disney Parks” went for them... Whist I agree it’s a misstep to not highlight who Clark is to average joe, the image of the parks being owned (I know not technically, but I’m talking the mindset of customers here) but a young Gold Coast family with keeps will surely resonate much better with prospective customers than some rich old businessman from interstate. That’s a good move IMO.

Well you’ve heard wrong. Probably get a new source. The park themselves have said 2/3 of the ride is still in Germany.

Ha if you think there are no longer delays in international shipping then you are living a fantasy life. International shipping most definitely still has a lot of problems. (And that of course is only if the goods are even on a ship and not sitting in Germany)

I actually really like that.

I think the fact that no park in Australia has ever bought more than 2 trains and the park that isn’t broke down the road still only bought 2 for rivals indicates that it will only have 2 trains. I expect they’ll run 2 trains for the first two weeks it’s open and then about 5 days a year after that.

Well yeah I think something with it's name as OCEAN should be primarily ocean/beach themed and therefore contain water attractions of some sort at least.

We can say definitely because in order to open it will have to be inspected and certified as having a code compliant control system. So that's the definitive case closed on that one. Yes it will definitely have an E-Stop, not even open for debate unless someone is relocating the park to Mexico.

I don't think asking for a source for the information considering it's something the government is mandating is really that unreasonable a response.

For me the rationale has nothing to do with the water park. Its because it's called OCEAN Parade and is devoid of anything to do with the Ocean...

Typically if a company wants to get something into a park to prove viability they will offer parks some incentive (see Xcelerator) whether that be a good price, or maybe it's first option on more units, or discounted pricing on multiple units. Clones generally don't get cheaper until the design has paid for itself. R&D to develop a new concept from initial idea through to certified engineering costs a lot of money, much more than a single coaster can pay for. So part of the cost of each install contributes to this cost until it's paid off, then you can afford to build subsequent clones for less money and still make profit. This is how most products work in the real world. It's also why the cost to purchase a coaster is much more than just what the materials and labour cost to produce it.

Just to put things into a bit of perspective... If a roller coaster crashed and killed people because the park had made in house dodgy modifications to the braking and control system would there never be another roller coaster built in Australia? Because that’s kind of the same as saying we’d never have a traditional water ride built again...

It was a bargain and saved a lot of money by reusing existing buildings and equipment.

A launch is infinitely more expensive, instead of one big electrical supply connected to one drive and motor you have a huge number of drives and electrical connections and all the Control smarts to drive it. And then theming, good theming is very expensive, not just for construction but also the AV components to run it and the design fees just to come up with it in the first place. The numbers add up pretty quickly.

There was nothing special about the Premier ride that another manufacturer couldn’t knock up I would imagine. As for messaging, that’s really something that you’d do through press to announce the ride and through having the media put out articles covering it. I wouldn’t think you’d actually attempt to feature such things in an ad campaign.

About as far as possible from the family demographic they need to appeal to.