DaptoFunlandGuy

I wonder if Tommy Boy would still be saying the same thing if one of the families said that they'd never be ready and demand the whole place shut for good. Ridiculous statement. The park should open as quickly as they can, whilst having regard to the ongoing investigation, the sensitivities of the situation and any legal and compliance obligations. Hundreds of staff out of work, thousands of ticket holding guests... as we've heard, it was recommended that 'getting back to business as usual' was the best thing that they could do. it is the same for anyone involved in a critical incident - acknowledge the event, but get back to normal routine as soon as possible. The longer that takes, the more everyone has to dwell, and the greater the impact the event has. As a former sufferer of critical incident stress i've seen what dwelling, and lack of regular routine can do to your mind. it isn't pleasant, so I understand perfectly why the consultants have recommended a quick reopening.

News.com.au has a free version of the same article on their main page. likewise the paywalled courier mail article about the dreamworld contractor making jokes about the incident can also be found on news.com.au for free.

Yep - old news and definitely not a reaction to the incident, but one wonders whether they could have considered postponing the AGM until the dust had settled. ANYTHING they did, whether it was on the agenda prior to the incident or not would always be regarded by those watching as being reactionary, and it does make it look like they were trying to distance themselves, even though we know already that the change was planned long before this week.

It won't. As mentioned by someone else, I didn't take that from reading the article. A lot of parents who have GC trips planned for the summer will have had these same thoughts. Many would be considering changing their plans. This article reinforces that the parks all take safety very seriously, and also quotes a few statistics - Halfway through reading it I was already thinking "the plane flight to get there is more dangerous than the rides" and then she said it in the article... and it's true. Parents will be reading these blogs. My wife does. And if this gives them a little more faith that everything is as safe as it can be, convinces them to keep their travel plans unchanged, it will help the entire tourism industry on the gold coast rebound from what will be a serious impact to them. There is a lot of information out there and a lot of it may or may not be true. If the details about the pump failing are correct, and the water level had dropped enough for the raft in front to 'bottom out' on the guide rails, then rotating platform or not, this potentially could still have happened. As @djrappa mentioned, an E-stop engages all safety systems and stops all mechanical components immediately. However - for a ride of this type, although the conveyor would stop immediately, after the pumps stop it would take probably 10-20 seconds for the water level to drop in the station area, and up to a minute for it to drain out the entire ride. From all I have read \ understood so far, the flip took only a moment. nothing would have seemed out of place until the raft hit the one in front, and the conveyor would have only needed 3-5 seconds to flip the raft, depending on a number of factors which I don't think we need to detail. An operator's reaction time depends on a number of things, but even if they need to see it happen on a monitor, recognise a problem, look at the control panel, identify the E-stop and punch it, thats a couple seconds. Obviously it's very different, but I did driver training for the work I did during G20. We tested braking reactions and our minimum response time was around 1.2 seconds... and this is when we were told beforehand to expect an emergency brake situation. I'm quite familiar with the Wonderland version. Wonderland's version crested the upper wall, and then dipped downwards significantly. The run off from the conveyor (as you can see in the video) is a mesh grating that mirrors the same angle. I believe TRRs conveyor runs virtually flat at the top, once it crests the upper wall it continues to travel for a few metres, before dropping the raft off the edge. There is a change in angle at that point, so it differs to the Wonderland conveyor in that the guide rails underwater on TRR do not sit at the same level or angle. And as rightly pointed out - the slats are continuous, not gapped as the TRR version is.

I think, if they make the decision that it should not reopen, it would open the door for development of gold rush country. One of the reasons previously cited for not demolishing Eureka was that it was over the ride envelope of an active ride (thunder river) - so if TRR is not to reopen, they could easily shutdown all of GRC (with a small path leading to Buzzsaw) and completely redevelop it. I still say that this sort of talk is premature, but if it be the case... thats my thoughts.

Thanks Skeet. Been a while since I looked up close. Clearly the turntable is still there. It could be enabled - they'd just need a concrete saw and a jackhammer. Wonderland did similar things with their turntable post-disablement - fixed handrails that spanned from the queue ramp onto the deck and so forth. Nothing irreversible however.

I don't think they removed it - i think it's just locked - i'm pretty sure they could turn the rotation back on, provided the machinery that drives it still works. Unsure when they stopped though.

I said I personally find them to be a waste, but am not saying anyone has wasted their money, and indeed i also said i would have done it anyway, had i been able to get to the park. I didn't create the fundraiser. My friend's mother did. She is associated with the Dorsetts, which is 3 out of the 4 victims. I have no further comment to add.

I frequent a series of websites known as 'not always'... I came across this gem this morning. I'm sure we can guess where it is: https://notalwaysfriendly.com/

I must say I find flowers a touching sentiment, but overall a waste. I look at the situation we had after the Lindt cafe siege, where half of martin place was covered in them - even if you say each bouquet was $15 - that was THOUSANDS of dollars spent on something that is swept into the garbage in a week, and the only one benefiting from it really is the florists. Please don't misunderstand me - if you want to, or have placed flowers at Dreamworld, i'm not saying that you wasted your money, or that you shouldn't have done it. I myself would have done so if I were able to get down to the park. The community outpouring we have seen is something that has stood the families in good stead through these times. I know that those touched by this directly have seen both the physical tributes as well as the messages on line, and they appreciate them very much. If you want your message to last longer than a week before it makes it into the bin, please see the fundraiser thread. You can even write your thoughts and messages on the fundraiser page when you make a donation.

Hi All, First of all - I have cleared this with @Richard and at this stage he has approved this to be posted. I didn't know the Dorsett family personally, but I am good friends with the Brookfield family, having known one of their sons for 16 years. Sandra Brookfield is a lifelong friend of Kim Dorsett. They went to school together. Luke and Katie grew up in Penrith - where the Brookfields (and I used to) live. I give this background as an assurance to everyone reading this that this isn't a publicity stunt. Nobody here is looking for exposure or kudos, and their intentions and thoughts are all about the care and support of the families involved. Funds are banked to a new trust account set up for the family and approved by Kim Dorsett. If you do not feel comfortable making a payment through the mycause site, and you would like to make a deposit directly into the trust account, please PM me for details. Whilst I acknowledge that ultimately Ardent Leisure will contribute towards financial matters for the family, these are things that take time, mainly for legal reasons. In the meantime the family have immediate matters to deal with, and that is what this fundraiser is about. If you wish to make a donation - the link is below. If you wish to leave a message of support to the Brookfields and the Dorsetts, I can assure you that everything in this thread will be passed onto the family. If you disagree with this cause - don't comment, and just scroll on by. https://www.mycause.com.au/page/140360/dreamworld-australia-tragedy-memorial-fund

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The problem there is that there is a fall risk to the front of the train. Where there is a risk of fall from height they need travel restraint or fall arrest, or a railing. I have seen it done with single op operation as described above.

Two ways to look at everything - i'm thinking of people who have come to the coast for a limited time, bought tickets to dreamworld, and now can't use them. Whilst i'm sure they'd get a refund from Dreamworld if they went through the right channels, it doesn't help then if they can't afford to buy VRTP as well whilst waiting for their refund. VRTP would benefit from in park spending, but since they are granting free admission they'd also be taking a theoretical hit too. Yes, its just as likely they'd get roasted for 'cashing in' as it is praised for 'saving family holidays' so yes, probably better to do nothing... but its just a shame.

It would be a capital marketing idea for VRTP to accept dreamworld tickets for admission to VRTP parks whilst they are closed.

I share your confidence Slick, but in terms of them 'focusing on load' - there should be an operator, at the panel, watching the surveillance monitors. Wonderland had a camera on the conveyor... so if this applies to Dreamworld - then we're talking less than 5 seconds from 'start to tip' to total shutdown.

GCB just posted that the earlier reports that the partner who tried to save his family was robbed of his wallet etc during the incident were false. http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/two-girls-are-without-their-mother-after-tragic-accident-at-dreamworld-kills-four-sends-two-to-hospital/news-story/4b1253a0155f20872ccfb0dbf8335d16

I literally just posted the same thing in the Big September thread.

That's precisely what I was describing yesterday @JaggedJanine thanks for posting the pictures so it is much clearer to everybody. (i wonder where they got their info from?)

Maybe, if they stop moving it, you can use the portaloo.

Why incorporate something into the design, when as the manufacturer you design the ride to run on two person operation?

i'm of the same opinion skeet, but i am mindful of the fact that: senior management probably dont access the cctv footage on a regular basis, and may require a junior manager who utilises it on a regular basis to access the system on their behalf in order to assist police with their enquiries WWW Worker has been on the boards for some time, and given what we know lately about the park appearing to 'absorb' WWW as part of DW, its always possible that 'WWW Worker' is a manager who crosses the boundary - perhaps even moving over the DW in the off peak its also possible the name is no longer accurate for the reasons mentioned above.

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