What's next?

[Gazza]

^Just a quick off topic question, your profile lists Tatsu as your favourite ride, when did you get to ride it? Though getting back to what you just said, I'll agree that it has been built in a rather brute manner on the mountain top as if it were a flat site if you get what I mean (The brake run is a good 20m up in the air simply because it sticks off the side of the hill) However they did a great job at preserving the trees, and down on the ground, I didn't think much of it's presence , it wasn't overwhelming or anything.

[sonic123488]

^Just a quick off topic question, your profile lists Tatsu as your favourite ride, when did you get to ride it? Though getting back to what you just said, I'll agree that it has been built in a rather brute manner on the mountain top as if it were a flat site if you get what I mean (The brake run is a good 20m up in the air simply because it sticks off the side of the hill) However they did a great job at preserving the trees, and down on the ground, I didn't think much of it's presence , it wasn't overwhelming or anything.

At six Flags Magic Mountain the "Superman the Escape" is the eyesore, Dreamworld dealt much better(in my opinion) than they did with the supports. The tower was the thing that helped stop ToT having lots of little supports. Back to the issue, yes the trees are good. Now about the water is this what you meant? Click on this link http://www.rcdb.com/ig3672.htm?picture=26 About Tatsu as my favourite ride I just like the look of it(as a coaster). Edited November 3, 2007 by sonic123488

[mickey_079]

I didn't realise that warner village had that much property, its heaps. But you have to remember, you need to put the filming studios in the red area too, they are still use very very much. Sigh, if only these thoughts and ideas would come true

[sonic123488]

Sigh, if only these thoughts and ideas would come true

You never know who's reading this as a guest. But still we can give our ideas. I think Movieworld(this is gonna sound crazy) could build an artificial lake behind Wild West Falls and build track over that. But considering price, you could put in a shallow pool like the in the link of my previous post.

[Gazza]

I wasn't thinking along those lines with a huge lake dominating the whole layout, that looks equally as bland as a gravel pit below the ride, just a couple of small linear ponds at strategic points in the layout to give it a natural look.

[sonic123488]

I wasn't thinking along those lines with a huge lake dominating the whole layout, that looks equally as bland as a gravel pit below the ride, just a couple of small linear ponds at strategic points in the layout to give it a natural look.

I still like the idea of water squirting up as you pass! Again why a flyer, why not a B&M Hyper twister coaster like the Kumba Link for you http://www.rcdb.com/m/id94.htm? Edited November 3, 2007 by sonic123488

[Gazza]

Again why a flyer, why not a B&M Hyper twister coaster like the Kumba

Mate, I'm happy with my decision and think it would be the right ride for MW. I have considered all B&M types (I know what they are) and these are my favourite. Remember, unlike you I have actually ridden a few of these coaster types such as a flyer, stand up, inverted, floorless etc and the flyer really is the most breathtaking. (and Im sure a lot of people who have ridden these rides would agree, the SFMM ones at least) The way a ride looks in photos (well, aside from the theming anyway) is not important, the ride and its forces are important. I mean, have a look at this pic of expedition Ge force for example: http://www.rcdb.com/m/ig977.htm?picture=32 Just looking, you wouldn't guess this ride was once voted the worlds best steel coaster (though last year it dropped to second spot) As the saying goes, dont judge a book by its cover. Superman at MW would be another example, just looking, its just a top hat and a couple of hills, really doesn't look too special, but ride it and you realise it is far and away the best ride in Australia. You really need to get out there and ride a few coasters (Eg not the small selection on the GC) or read articles/balanced reviews of the newer ones to get a feel for what is good. I mean, this is a public forum so everybody is free to post what they want, but ultimately my own personal experiences are going to hold MUCH more weight in my own mind then the looks of a few pics from rcdb selected by a kid. BTW, the ride is called "Kumba", not "The Kumba", and the model is a B&M sitting coaster ( http://www.bolliger-mabillard.com/products/sitting_en.aspx ), not a Hyper Twister just to let you know. A Hyper Twister coaster would be a hyper coaster with a twister style layout, http://www.rcdb.com/m/ig535.htm?picture=13 Edited November 3, 2007 by Gazza

[Original]

I think a flying coaster would be perfect for MW!!! Also with its price the most expensive ride ever built was Wild West falls and it cost 18 million and it opened in 1998 and it has 9 years since then, and Tatsu cost 23million and it was built on the side of a mountain with stuff for Earthquakes as that area is so prone to them as Gazza said, this makes this ride only five million more surely we could afford a ride like this and it would be cheaper, because it doesn't need all the stuff Tatsu need's. Although then the money would have to go back on for theming so it probably would come back out at 23million and surely we could something like this. With the theming I'm not sure, I know they have the thing with DC comics and Iron man's Marvel, it just depends, its just so hard with Movie World because they don't realise a lot of movies and lately they haven't been very good, so maybe it is time for Movie World to start looking for other themes from other companies, they have already started it with Shrek!!! Although it may be a little I really like Gazza's idea for the Matrix. Although I know people still talk and know about the movies and still pretand to do the tricks like running up walls and bending over avoiding bullets (not leterally). So maybe the Matrix theme is still viable. Gazza do think you could draw up a thing for this ride. Your very talented at that sort of stuff!!! Also with the Multi Motion simulator I was thinking maybe it could be themed as the bat-mobile and replace Batman The Ride 2, it would be a big hit, I know a lot of people don't really like, its just not very good. At the Halloween night, that rides was a walk-on, not one person was lined up for it!!! While every other ride was packed and the batman area could be turned into Gotham City Park? If we still could get a license I think a Harry Potter ride would be awesome, but we can’t because J.K Rowling is very strict and asks a lot of money to have an attraction like the one Universal’s doing. But if could this ride would be awesome http://www.ridetrade.com/rti/index.php?opt...3&Itemid=36 it could be themed to you being in Gryfindor playing Sytherin in Hogwarts Quiditch Cup and correct me if I’m wrong. This would be a world first? Another thing that western area where the show stage is completely deserted and empty, so this is what I thought could go in there, given we can get the license and that the rumour still might come true that MW was getting a thing to do with the Simpson’s!!! A themed Area next to the Show stage themed to the Simpson’s and have eatery’s such as Lard Lad Donuts, Krusty Burger, Moe’s Tavern. As well as building’s such as The Kwik-e-Mart, Town Hall, The Simpson’s House, The Power plant, Mr. Burns Casino, The Church, The school and The Springfield sign. There will be two rides one thrill flat ride built by S&S Power it will be a Scram’n Swing and will be themed and have storyline that your testing Homer’s latest invention. The ride will be the same size as Cedar Point’s (Sky Hawk). The second ride is family orientated and is a high-tech Intamin rapid ride. It will be behind the Show Stage. At the Springfield docks and you will walk past the Springfield sign to get to it, it has theme’s and storyline’s from previous Simpson’s episodes. There will also be a Simpson’s show in the Show Stage, but it won’t just feature Simpson’s characters, it will also feature Warner Bros. characters. Something like this, http://ozcoaster.net/index.php?option=com_...2&Itemid=27 Other rides I would like to see at MW, but they don’t just have to go in MW They can go in our other parks, I reckon these rides would be really fun and awesome to have and ride in Australia. Its just I think if MW got them they could an excellent job on them: • An Intamin Floorless Tilting Gyro Drop (91m tall) • A Huss Topple Tower • A wooden Coaster by Intamin • A Mack spinning coaster • A vekoma splash party Also MW needs some transport, so I was thinking a monorail around the park and in the Batman area something like the monorail in Batman Begins and also maybe things like trams going up and down Main Street!!! BTW, Next to movie is that big water mass, lake, swampy thing. I think they should expand over that and make the water part of the park, just make it look a little nicer! And parts of the flying coaster could go over it and then the park would also look a little like the Universal Orlando parks and after all wasn’t that what MW was based on!!!

[sonic123488]

Mate, I'm happy with my decision and think it would be the right ride for MW. I have considered all B&M types (I know what they are) and these are my favourite. Remember, unlike you I have actually ridden a few of these coaster types such as a flyer, stand up, inverted, floorless etc and the flyer really is the most breathtaking. (and Im sure a lot of people who have ridden these rides would agree, the SFMM ones at least) The way a ride looks in photos (well, aside from the theming anyway) is not important, the ride and its forces are important. I mean, have a look at this pic of expedition Ge force for example: http://www.rcdb.com/m/ig977.htm?picture=32 Just looking, you wouldn't guess this ride was once voted the worlds best steel coaster (though last year it dropped to second spot) As the saying goes, dont judge a book by its cover. Superman at MW would be another example, just looking, its just a top hat and a couple of hills, really doesn't look too special, but ride it and you realise it is far and away the best ride in Australia. You really need to get out there and ride a few coasters (Eg not the small selection on the GC) or read articles/balanced reviews of the newer ones to get a feel for what is good. I mean, this is a public forum so everybody is free to post what they want, but ultimately my own personal experiences are going to hold MUCH more weight in my own mind then the looks of a few pics from rcdb selected by a kid. BTW, the ride is called "Kumba", not "The Kumba", and the model is a B&M sitting coaster ( http://www.bolliger-mabillard.com/products/sitting_en.aspx ), not a Hyper Twister just to let you know. A Hyper Twister coaster would be a hyper coaster with a twister style layout, http://www.rcdb.com/m/ig535.htm?picture=13

Okay, I agree the flying coaster is a good option, but again where could it be placed, because most of the area directly behind Superman Lethal Weapon and the Batwing area is taken up by the studio.

[Gazza]

^Great ideas there.

Its just so hard with Movie World because they don't realise a lot of movies and lately they haven't been very good, so maybe it is time for Movie World to start looking for other themes from other companies, they have already started it with Shrek!!!

Exactly what I have been thinking, lets face it, WB dont make a lot of good movies, and I think you'd be limiting yourself too much to just stick to WB themes. I remember people complaining about Shrek not being WB themed, but it still is one of MWs better attractions. I dont see the point in maintaining a sort of 'purity' by having only WB stuff, it should be about building the best possible rides, maybe in the future the park could be renamed and could encompass more forms of entertainment. I mean a music related ride could be great and would still fit in with the flow of MW .And they have been popular with parks, just look at stuff like Rock 'n' Roller Coaster, Hollywood Dream, and the upcoming Led Zepplin coaster at Hard Rock Park. Maybe eventually when MW does get a large multi looper or a hyper this could be a suitable theme (And just to let people know, I'm not opposed to MW getting these, its just that there are other coaster types id want to see first)

It could be themed to you being in Gryfindor playing Sytherin in Hogwarts Quiditch Cup and correct me if I’m wrong. This would be a world first?

Not quite, soarin over california was the first of these, and it's at DCA. Still its a ride I love, though I think something like this would be better at SW somehow, getting back to MW now.....

Other rides I would like to see at MW, but they don’t just have to go in MW They can go in our other parks, I reckon these rides would be really fun and awesome to have and ride in Australia. Its just I think if MW got them they could an excellent job on them: • An Intamin Floorless Tilting Gyro Drop (91m tall) • A Huss Topple Tower • A wooden Coaster by Intamin • A Mack spinning coaster • A vekoma splash party

Those are a few of the rides i would like to see too. A gyro drop I think could be ruled out because MW already has a freefall ride, A Huss Topple tower could fill in the void of flat rides MW has but they reportedly have poor reliability, a wooden coaster is the first coaster I want to see built here, obviously with a Wild West theme, Mack spinning coaster are pretty good (I have ridden Sierra Sidewinder at Knotts) but personally I think the Maurer Sohne product is a bit more flexible, and their popularity with parks these days is a testament to this. A Vekoma splash party would obviously be the key for WnW, Ill get off topic again, but I think it would be OK if WnW did get a couple more wet theme park style rides, the water park version of a splash battle http://www.splashbattle.com/ reportedly costs around $2mil...not bad IMO. They could build the splash battle first, and then a few years later build the splash party coaster over the top, I can imagine the two rides going together well, and it would just be a riot with people on the coaster bombing water, and the people on the splash battle shooting back.

BTW, Next to movie is that big water mass, lake, swampy thing. I think they should expand over that and make the water part of the park, just make it look a little nicer! And parts of the flying coaster could go over it and then the park would also look a little like the Universal Orlando parks and after all wasn’t that what MW was based on!!!

Fantastic Idea! That is something I have never considered before, but now that you mention it , it seems great. I think somehow you would want to make the water a little less stagnant, maybe aerate it at night and circulate the water in there. It would be nice to have another strip of shops and restaurants, and of course rides overlooking this sort of area, just like Universal as you said. The lagoon of course could be suitable for a water related show. The biggest problem though is that bloody film production office, its in the middle of everything, and if it were rebuilt elsewhere the park could really open up. Maybe if they, over the years expanded like this: If the park ever got to this stage, transport would be important, and a monorail might be the way to go since they can just run over everything else and are narrow. Now, I have a couple more visions for the park, that are not specific attractions. At MW, they should better divide the park into themed areas, maybe like this: Looney Tunes Village - As Is Main St - The area from the fountain to the T junction area where the big screen is. Wild West - From where the new games are up to WWF, the portal could be some sort of artful looking sign in a wild west style, with some sort of tribute to that genres biggest stars, such as Chuck Norris, Clint Eastwood, Buck Ramsay etc. Move the steam engine here from next to police academy, as trains are a big part of the wild west. Metropolis City - SE area, and the new path that leads down to LW. Round this area off with a Lex Luthor flat ride perhaps, landcape the sand area in the middle of SE to be a "Central Park" and make the sides of the LW building Art Deco style skyscraper facades. Again, have some sort of sign saying "Welcome to Metropolis" Gotham City- The area where the two batman rides are now, theme it a little more Production Central- The corner where scooby doo, gotham city cafe, and Intencity are. This area is a bit of a jumble, maybe add theming to make it look like a variety of films are in production, park a few trailers, those roadblocks they use to direct traffic around filming etc have rigs set up, the variety of themes in this area could be held together more if it looked like it was all just different films in production. the portal to this area would be a sign held up using those metal frameworks they use to put lights on (DjRappa is probably laughing at my terminology, perhaps he could explain it better) Intencity could be called "The showbiz arcade" given its already ritzy look and the entrance would be like a red carpet with associated theming (fences, media vehicles with fake satellite dishes etc.) The inside of the arcade would have cool lighting (Again, something for Dj to do) However, my full vision for the future of the WVTP site is to make it more of a destination, rather than a day trip. It would be excellent if there were a couple of hotels/resorts for visitors, an open air entertainment and shopping strip (with restaurants, bars, a small Village Cinema, shops, fast food, health club etc, sort of along the lines of down town disney or citywalk. The production offices for the studios could be an anchor tenant if they relocated to here. A monorail would have stops at WnW, AOS, The shopping strip, the resorts and MW (and possibly a loop up the hill to paradise country. Each station would be themed, eg beachy for WnW, rustic for AOS, modern for the shopping strip, art deco for MW. If they wanted to go all out, they could build a branch line to Helensvale station. The idea would be to stop people ending their day when the park closes, but to stick around, have meal, see a film etc, and also so people could drift between the parks during the day, when it gets hot they can go back to their resorts and return in the evening. A dedicated transport hub would be provided , with non stop transport to SW .The parks should have their hours extended to 7pm at least Edited November 4, 2007 by Gazza

[sonic123488]

The biggest problem though is that bloody film production office, its in the middle of everything, and if it were rebuilt elsewhere the park could really open up. However, my full vision for the future of the WVTP site is to make it more of a destination, rather than a day trip. It would be excellent if there were a couple of hotels/resorts for visitors, an open air entertainment and shopping strip (with restaurants, bars, a small Village Cinema, shops, fast food, health club etc, sort of along the lines of down town disney or citywalk. The production offices for the studios could be an anchor tenant if they relocated to here. A monorail would have stops at WnW, AOS, The shopping strip, the resorts and MW (and possibly a loop up the hill to paradise country. Each station would be themed, eg beachy for WnW, rustic for AOS, modern for the shopping strip, art deco for MW. If they wanted to go all out, they could build a branch line to Helensvale station. The idea would be to stop people ending their day when the park closes, but to stick around, have meal, see a film etc, and also so people could drift between the parks during the day, when it gets hot they can go back to their resorts and return in the evening. A dedicated transport hub would be provided , with non stop transport to SW .The parks should have their hours extended to 7pm at least

There is one problem here, I don't think MW is going to touch their studios(unless they decide to build another studio tour which would bring in some customers.) But MW asking for speacial treatment-not going to happen-otherwise Disney would be here already, if they were going to put a train station there it would be solely for the purpose of public transport, not because the queensland govenment wants a bigger theme park. Edited November 4, 2007 by sonic123488

[Rollercoaster13]

I dont like the idea of movieworld becoming a location rather a daytrip movieworld is all about going out for a day as a family

Edited November 4, 2007 by PixelPushed

[Gazza]

There is ane problem here, I don't think MW is going to touch their studios(unless they decide to build another studio tour which would bring in some customers.) But MW asking for speacial treatment-not going to happen-otherwise Disney would be here already, if they were going to put a train station there it would be solely for the purpose of public transport, not because the queensland govenment wants a bigger theme park.

No no, you misunderstand. WVTP would be the ones to build the monorail, and would operate and collect all the profits themselves. A branch of the monorail to Helensvale station, I'll admit is a bit much, just an idea for the future if they got really sucessful, but it would also be built and operated privately by WVTP, in a similar way to the Jupiter's monorail. The relocation of the studio offices would also be something further down the track if they really wanted the space, I don't think any of the sound stages should or would be messed with, but since everything is fully owned by the one company I imagine they would just do whatever is best for the business.

Im sure all of your ideas are good, but movieworld have recently opened batwing spaceshot and superman escape, they arent going to put a new ride in for another few years!

The name of this topic is "What's next?", not "What's next year?" Logically with such a large pool of ideas people are throwing about they aren't going to do it all at once, or even all of them within the next 10 years. Though I think the GC parks are on a sort of cusp, and from now on the parks are going to expand a bit quicker than in the past. They have finally gotten over their fear of capital investment, and it is paying off. NOTE: this was a response to the original post by PixelPushed, but he went and edited the whole meaning of his post to save face or whatever.

I dont like the idea of movieworld becoming a location rather a daytrip movieworld is all about going out for a day as a family

Why??? Are you anti progress? Would having a hotel next door stop people from doing what you said? SW has a hotel next door, but that doesn't stop people visiting for the day with their family. Are you saying having other facilites next door would somehow make MW less fun The whole idea of what I was saying is only to help the company be more successful, make more money, have a greater presence and draw more guests. It would actually allow families to stay together more. Think about it, rather than just having a day at the park together, you could then go on and have dinner together, or see a movie together, or stay in a family room at a hotel together. Sorry, but it annoys me when people say stupid things. Edited November 5, 2007 by Gazza

[sonic123488]

The idea of "whats next" is what will be the very next attraction put in to MW. But what will be next?, somehow I think they'll be going for a family attracton, not a flying coaster. By family attraction something like the Spinball Whizzer which could fit very well next to the Lethal Weapon Here's the link for it http://www.rcdb.com/id2472.htm

Edited November 4, 2007 by sonic123488

[Original]

Gazza that idea of MW needing a citywalk is really good, I have heard somewhere from somone on here once before. I think it exactly what they need, MW, W'n'W, AOS and PC are all alone in their own little section, if a thing like Citywalk was put between W'n'W and MW and hotel was put in it would be really good and make it much more of destination, other than, go to MW, then go back to Surfers, and have the Monorail go to all of the parks and that. In the citywalk you could have one of Village's Cinema complex's, and intencity, which they both own and things like that, it would really help get us up there recognised with the big parks. Lookign they have a lot of room to expand. MW can really get a lot bigger, but they have to move some of the studios to do this, it would coast a lot but its the only way to expand!!! But that's a bit off topic, You never know what's install, we had Superman and shrek go in at the time, so we could a roller coaster and a family ride at the same, and that year it cost them 31million for those two attractions, so you never what theyv'e got planned. But i so hope its a B&M Flying coaster, like Tatsu it would be so cool and we would be really close to be like being like the American, I mean Superman was 16th best coaster and W'n'W is the third bussiest water park in the world!!! BTW thanks for liking my ideas I've been thinking about them for a while now and have come up storyline's , where they go and evreything!!! I know I have way to much time on my hands!!! LOL(Laugh Out Loud)!!!

[sonic123488]

Unfortunately parks usually put in big rides if they're losing buisiness, I don't know whether MW is losing Buisiness.

[Original]

What about cedar Point, there always putting in new expense rides, i don't think there losing business, parks put in rides to keep people coming back and big rides like superman every couple of years, not becsuse there doing bad, that's the exact reasaon there put in!!! If parks only put in rides becasue they doing bad than Cedar point must be doing shocking and most parks would hardly ever get big rides!!!

[sonic123488]

What about cedar Point, there always putting in new expense rides, i don't think there losing business, parks put in rides to keep people coming back and big rides like superman every couple of years, not becsuse there doing bad, that's the exact reasaon there put in!!! If parks only put in rides becasue they doing bad than Cedar point must be doing shocking and most parks would hardly ever get big rides!!!

Sometimes, I agree that Cedar points doing well. talking about Cedar Point, I'd like to see something like the Maverick here in one of our parks.

[Harrop]

They need a dark rollercoaster where you cant see the track. Something like 'Revenge of the Mummy' at Universal Studios in Orlando. Now that rocked! (and its brilliantly themed)

Edited November 7, 2007 by Harrop

[ILUV SUPERMAN ESCAPE]

Yeh and have you heard about the new batman themed ride at one of the six flags parks.... The Dark Knight? I personally think they should do a ride similar to that. A launched indoor looping coaster where you "can't see the track".

[sonic123488]

Yeh and have you heard about the new batman themed ride at one of the six flags parks.... The Dark Knight? I personally think they should do a ride similar to that. A launched indoor looping coaster where you "can't see the track".

Like this coaster at Disney World Florida The "Rock 'n' Roller Coaster" Linkage: http://www.rcdb.com/m/id560.htm Edited November 7, 2007 by sonic123488

[Rollercoaster13]

Why??? Are you anti progress? Would having a hotel next door stop people from doing what you said? SW has a hotel next door, but that doesn't stop people visiting for the day with their family. Are you saying having other facilites next door would somehow make MW less fun The whole idea of what I was saying is only to help the company be more successful, make more money, have a greater presence and draw more guests. It would actually allow families to stay together more. Think about it, rather than just having a day at the park together, you could then go on and have dinner together, or see a movie together, or stay in a family room at a hotel together. Sorry, but it annoys me when people say stupid things.

just because you dont agree with what i said doesnt mean its stupid, its just an australian themepark I dont care if they have accomadation, you want accomadation go to seaworld resort Edited November 7, 2007 by PixelPushed

[Gazza]

Its not case of not agreeing, it was just a random statement you made with no basis in logic or argument to back it up, which therefore makes it stupid.

I dont care if they have accomadation, you want accomadation go to seaworld resort

You are missed the point completely of why I think MW/WnW should have onsite resorts. I mean, there are loads of theme parks out there which have resorts/hotels complementing theme parks, its not just Disneyworld, there are heaps....PortAventura, Europa Park, Heide Park, Alton Towers, Universal Orlando, Cedar Point, Phantaisaland, need I go on? I just think because the GC is a major holiday destination, WVTP could differentiate themselves by being a destination within a destination. More guests = bigger parks. ^Also, re rock n roller coaster, I think the coolest aspect with these sorts of rides is not being indoors, but just the fact the trains have speakers. Its hard to explain, but rides like Space Mountain and California Screamin' are not just cool for their track layout, but because they have soundtracks that match the ride movements...nothing can describe how cool it was on space mountain how the music builds as you approach elements, and then matches the motion of the element as you go through it. IF MW did the whole onboard speaker thing it would be sweet. Also, people are suggesting a dark indoor coaster....what about Scooby Doo?

[Rollercoaster13]

Its not stupid its my opinion and i cant be bothered explaining

[Gazza]

^Well, that's your choice then, just don't expect me to take people seriously when they just blurt stuff out, and then aren't willing to stand by what they say and back up what they are saying, instead opting for that weak "well, its my opinion, that makes me untouchable" argument.