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I should also mention (as Bussy indicated) - The Beast\Beastie trains are not at O'neills, and haven't been for some years. They were purchased by the Wonderland History group in part through donations from fans. The trains were stored at the Junkyard near Windsor for a time (where the park signs are) on agreement with the owner. This was also planned to be the site of the 'museum'. Subsequently, plans changed, and the trains were moved from the junkyard site recently. And a good thing they did too, given the recent weather in that particular region:

Your best bet is https://www.facebook.com/groups/Wonderland.History/ or http://www.wonderlandhistory.net - collectively these guys have put together more than 20 years of the park's life (including construction and demolition) for around 10 years since the park closed. As best as I can remember: Bush Beast and Beastie were demolished - bulldozers used. The timber contained toxic chemicals and was buried offsite.Snowy was demolished. Rafts were sold off after closure to random individuals and collectors.Antique Autos was rumored to have been purchased, but it has never been seen againSkyRider was getting on in years - it's cable was used to try and pull down the bush beast - it didn't workTaz - although the ride was pulled early from the park, it was containerised and shipped. I'm not 100% on this but i think someone tried to trailerise it and didn't complete it.Endeavour was sent to Sunway to the best of my knowledgeBounty's and Dragons Flight both went to Sunway and are operatingProbe was rumoured to have been sent to Sunway, but was never built, apparently due to the cost of constructing the footings. Although it was rumoured to be rotting out in a paddock somewhere, several people I know have scoured google maps, near maps and sunway-fan websites without turning up any info as to the current location. Presumably junked.Demon's current location is a little difficult. We know it went to Alabama Adventure as Zoomerang. However the information about it going to Wonderla in India is dubious. There has been little evidence to support this claim. RCDB does not identify the park in the ride's history, and the two Wonderla parks in India listed do not show a vekoma boomerang. The parks have a website and I can't find a Boomerang featured on it anywhere. Considering they have a kiddie coaster in their lineup featured prominently on the site - I doubt the Demon is anywhere near there right now.Wizards Fury was scrapped well before closureZodiac was scrapped after closureI'm not sure on the kiddie rides but believe some of them went to Sunway also.

I'm not just talking about how the building would fit into the park - i'm also talking about the skyline of the spit - something that is continually an issue for Sea World's development. I'm positive any large warehouse like building, regardless of whether it is themed or not would meet with large opposition from the many residents occupying broadwater fronting property. No, because I don't really care about the specifics of it. More Rides should be Sea World's current mantra, and for the size of the park, Coasters aren't really needed right now... They need some flats that offer high capacity and are re-rideable to: round out the park's offering, alleviate congestion on existing rides, make the park more attractive to the non-family market. I'll point to Ocean parade as an example - whilst not specifically saying Claw, Wipeout, Shockwave, Reef Diver, StingRay etc - this is the kind of setup they should be going for. As for not caring about SW's geological problems - or whatever it was you said - Whilst we can dream - we have to be realistic. Digging down into what would be mostly sand, with the water table where it sits is nightmarish - they encountered enough problems working with Storm. TO suggest they build STOREYS below sea level is fanciful, and would cost the park more than they'd ever make back on the ride itself. There would be an inherent risk of flooding and collapse that is just not viable just so you can put a coaster indoors. Likewise, on the subject of being realistic - Dr Who is never coming to Sea World.

Standard navy blue Hard Yakka overall workwear (as worn by pretty much all maintenance guys), or disposable blue protective coveralls (as worn by police investigators in crime TV shows??

I don't like the idea of a giant indoor coaster at Sea World. Movie World gets away with 'plain blank shed' because you can stick "Stage 47" on it and suddenly it's a "Soundstage". Bermuda\Storm's building (other than the Volcano) is only single storey. Even SWR is only 2 storeys tall. An indoor rollercoaster is probably going to need a little more room, and height - and I think a great hulking building in the middle of the spit is just going to ruin the skyline. A coaster track outdoors isn't such an eyesore. Any coaster SW builds has to be predominantly 'outdoor' in my opinion. I like 'indoor darkride' but it would have to be a lowset attraction. Otherwise i'm all in for decent flatrides that don't take up a lot of space but still have great capacity. Dr Who is polarising. I think Jacob is minimising their fanbase just a little, but i think regardless of how popular (or not) we might perceive the franchise to be, I don't think for a moment it is in any way suitable for sea world, and the idea should end there without getting near a drawing board... in my opinion.

Factual Basis? As I said on maintenance - 'just not as pedantic' - example? Disney changes out lightbulbs in attractions and on structures when they reach 60% of their life expectancy, so that they don't blow 'in show'. Yes they've had accidents. Big Thunder is a good one - a result of cost cutting under Eisner's business model where external contractors were being used to perform essential maintenance. I've read the accident report and it's findings state precisely that. Haven't read into Cal Screamin, so I have no idea what happened there. My statement on 'more and more injuries' wasn't fact, it was prediction. I didn't say there HAVE BEEN more and more injuries, i said it was going to START causing more and more. Would I say the same of Dreamworld? You should know me well enough that i'm no fan of Dreamworld. Yes - I would say Dreamworld are not as pedantic as Disney. The last time I saw Revolution, it's white track was looking very akin to Orphan Rocker - black fading through grey to white from top to bottom. it looked filthy - And Matterhorn and Space are both older but with much \ all of the track indoors, the 'weathering' that revolution is showing is not apparent on those. No - I don't know their maintenance procedures. I'm sure they're thorough. I'm sure they're up to the highest safety standards and I didn't mean to suggest otherwise... I don't view 'maintenance' as JUST the physical mechanics of operation. I also view maintenance as - whether it has been allowed to LOOK run down, dirty, old, worn out and tired. THIS was what I meant: http://coasterbuzz.com/CoasterPhoto/CoasterPhotoImage/1881 I apologise if i'd not made it clear that I was suggesting they didn't perform maintenance to a standard that would lead to people being killed (i'm pretty sure I specifically stated I wasn't critiquing safety). "second to none" was probably not the right phrase to use either.... hope that makes a little more sense.

Just Disneyland or other parks in SoCal? How long do you have? Is there anything else you have to do (family) or other people you need to take into account? As stated above - we need some more info before we can offer much... that said - these threads occur every few months so there's probably all the advice you need in those other threads too.... but if you tell us a bit more about who you are, who you're travelling with, what you like to do and what you're interested in.... and maybe we can work with that...

unless you buy two single day entry tickets and use them both on the same day...

Richard's confirmation'll do. I know it's not that often it happens - but is there some sort of forum tag (like the community leader tags) that can formally attach to a 'official park' account - kind of like a 'verified tick' on facebook? Glad to have Jamberoo officially on the boards. Apart from Wonderland, it was my other home away from home on weekends during season. Lost count of toboggan laps I did back in the day...

at least you won't have to go to Uluru on your way to the east coast...

Mate - we remember that. You told us. But you also asked what we think, and you asked us to help you out. You also asked what rides you should check out at Epcot and another park... In case you forgot - i've quoted you above. The people who are giving you specific advice on what you're doing, or which order you're doing things in are giving you that advice based on lots of experience. Don't get angry at them because you can't do what they're telling you you should - get angry at the other people in your group who won't listen to reason. Print out this thread - show it to them when you explain to them why you think you should hit MK first, Epcot in the afternoon and then back to MK later. You're already buying a park hopper (and wasting 1 day's admission in the process) so obviously there's a few screws loose in the collective group - when they could spend a day at each for the same money, or just bite the bullet, pick one park, and spend all day at it to save money on the 2 day hopper. You're either appealing to those who are economically sensible, or those who are park-planning sensible. As it stands, your group is being neither. By the sounds of things (as you mentioned previously) you're free to stick around MK until the Kiss Goodnight which occurs AFTER closing... So your group organisers are happy to be in the parks REALLY late... Why then - are you forced to stay with your group the entire day? Can you not arrange to meet them at the TTC? after closing? I bet if you talked to the others in your group, there'd probably be others who would want to do it differently too - you could then stay together so you weren't "on your own".... I don't know - you ask for advice but argue with every piece given... something just doesn't seem right...

Wait on Magician - T-bone has a point... Looking at photos of the Brock experience - it's a big shed with cars on display. Redline's simulators take up about the same space as a real car - how many simulators are there? and how many Brock cars are coming? It would be easy to take the sims out, and put brock cars in - the railings etc are already in place... Nobody said it had to be 'everything you can see in the Brock Experience shed... it'll be 'Brock Experience Lite' and feature maybe 6-8 cars? (not sure how many simulators they have) Sure it doesn't fit with DW saying "major attraction"... but this IS Dreamworld... a park that calls MDMC a 'thrill', and considers a Zombie Apocalypse, a Racing Simulator, and a Rock Climbing Wall to fit "Ocean Parade"

That's a slab... it does look like the little boxed pieces above the reo sheets might be footing positions, but something about it makes me think 'not a coaster'. I'm probably wrong and it totally is... but i just don't feel like it is - especially on such sandy ground - wouldn't we be expecting footings to actually go into the ground, not just be poured 'as a slab' ? Ok - a Kiddie coaster isn't exactly 'groundshaking' - but i just feel like there should be something a little more substantial for a coaster. If this thing really is a dragon wagon or similar i'm going to be very disappointed...

Does the sign say "we will periodically close this attraction for safety reasons whilst the lake show is on" ?

Yes, Matterhorn is older (technically so is Space Mountain Orlando), but I think Disney has done several refurbs and rebuilds on a track which is largely sheltered indoors (coupled with the need for high intensity maintenance on the bobsleds due to the repetitive water brakes)... Disney's a poor example to compare against - their maintenance and care of attractions (barring certain periods of Eisner's involvement) is second to none. SFMM's maintenance would not live up to the same standard. (I'm not suggesting their maintenance procedures are unsafe - just not as pedantic.) Don't get me wrong - I love revolution, love the movie, and have ridden it in both the 90s and the... 10s? I absolutely found it was quite jarring back in 2013 (although not as bad as Thunderbolt was), but still enjoyed the terrain and layout amazing (especially going over the bits that featured in the film)... but it is a rough ride and it is going to start causing more and more injuries. Although extremely unlikely - if the coroner comes back and says this girl had no pre-existing condition, and her injury\death is entirely the fault of the coaster - it'll be gone tomorrow - regardless of what ACE fanboys think.

I don't think that means what you think it means... (You probably wanted consistency?) DYAC!!! http://lmgtfy.com/?q=define%3A+constituency Was there ever a building in the blue box?

^Yep. Unless your friends have done those parks and are experts at it - they need to listen to those with experience.... or they're going to have a real shitty time.

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^ lol. I've never encountered another ride anywhere that i would get off and refuse to ever ride again. For me - a Zacspin was it. Plus there's the whole Inferno incident to think about too. I'm not sure the S&S Free Spin would fit into LPS's available space, but by all accounts is far more enjoyable than the Zacspin... anyone care to work that one out?

I didn't suggest it was a legal thing as I couldn't be sure without doing any research where the particular requirement lay, however since you mention it - it's number one on the code of ethics held by the Media, Entertainment and Arts Alliance... "Do your utmost to give a fair opportunity for reply"; of which most media outlets and journalists belong. That said, the ACMA administers the Commercial Television Industry Code of Practice, and handles complaints in line with the Broadcasting Services Act of 1992. Section 4 in particular of the CoP refers to news and current affairs, and ensures news and current affair programs are presented accurately, fairly, and impartially. It would not be a difficult argument to make that the program was not fair or impartial if they make no effort to allow the 'other party' the right of reply... The CoP also requires that the network 'broadcast factual material accurately and represent viewpoints fairly" Although not law, the CoP are developed under the direction of Sec123 of the Broadcasting Services Act 1992. Sec128 gives parliament the power to amend the codes of practice developed under Sec123. It may not be law... but I doubt many broadcasters would flout the codes of practice as it would seem there is a lot of regulatory and government backing behind those codes that it wouldn't end prettily.

Unfortunately, as of last night - all Nearmaps are still stuck in April somewhere - so no new aerial shots available to compare. Given the shot of the frog hopper earlier in this discussion though, it looks like it's taking up a fair chunk of rivertown, so i don't think there'd be any room for the V8 attraction, and even if there was, i doubt they'd fit much. As for the area around Cyclone - to be honest, the 'under ride' area of Cyclone is perfect - the elevated nature of the custom ride leaves heaps of 'back of house' space they could definitely utilise for other things...

"oxymoron" The ride experience is the same, with the exception of the riding position. "get in, sit down, spin around until centrifugal force ensures you're firmly held in place, elevate to near-vertical angle, return to horizontal position, stop spinning." "get in, remain standing, spin around until centrifugal force ensures you're firmly held in place, elevate to near-vertical angle, return to horizontal position, stop spinning." So, in a sense, they're completely different rides, and in a sense, they're completely identical rides. #makessense

I couldn't cite you the specifics, but media outlets are required to contact the 'other party' involved in pieces like this. It's why you'll always see at the end of a news.com article where it says "News.com.au contacted XXXX for comment, but no calls were returned this afternoon" or something like that. Essentially they have to give the target of the story the right of reply. Some organisations just keep their mouth shut and weather the storm as media bluster, and others will come out all guns blazing. Unfortunately any comment given to the media can be then used out of context - which is why many won't comment without a prepared statement. Storm is in the gold coast bulletin every few days because the ride system stalls - probably just a dicky sensor that keeps getting wet or something, but apparently this is 'dangerous' because people have to get evacuated.

Yeah I believe the March 2010 date was due to the seat breaking off, which was apparently due to a weld that received too much vibration during operation and failed. the new trains dont have that weld - it's a solid piece. I believe it technically opened, ran for about a week, then closed due to the seat issue.

^^ that latest artwork is making the monster eye appear more cartoonish and less scary... it's starting to look like it's oscar the friendly alligator* rather than any monster... the earlier teaser art was much 'darker' in it's tone... (*does not actually exist)