Levithian

Its nothing like keeping your car roadworthy and your insurance company using a clause to get out of paying. With such a large work force, you insure your business against employee negligence too. Not just for injury. Thats the biggest part of public liability. You can be found at fault and you are covered. You just have to make sure you have coverage high enough to cover everything. Injury or death, but also loss of earnings/business as a result of the accident too.

God you talk a lot of nonsense. Have you heard of this thing called insurance? What are the council going to do? Cough up a couple hundred million and go into business themselves with a board that is basically voted in by popular vote every 4 years and not on their abilities? That would bankrupt the park, the shareholders and probably the council too. Life will go on. I wonder if they lost any staff after the accident that might be making things harder as far as annual maintenance goes. Given all that has happened, it would have made a mess of your schedules after all the inspections, losing staff would make that worse. Its not like you can just grab anyone and put them to work. Im not worried about things being closed now. Its when everything remains closed through the busiest time of the year that you start to wonder what is going on.

Theres really nothing modern about it. They are still a fairly involving system of gears that hasnt really changed much in design since the turn of last century. They all have a couple of big slewing gears that could be a nightmare if you had to replace one. Would require a lot of dismantling as a real common design used by lots of manufacturers incorporates it into the mast. Chance rides are one of the biggest companies i can think of. They do multi tier ones! Theyll have manuals and photos online to see more detail i reckon. It could actually end up being a pretty major job if that is true and gears may need to be reproduced. Forgetting when movieworld had theirs closed for months a couple of years ago?

Electric rope/string lighting doesn't survive commercial use very well. 12 hr days plus the combination of the quality of the LED's, and movement/impact from people touching or pulling on it, you're always having to fix it. It's the sort of stuff that works well when you can't see it.

How much seems to work properly in justice league seems to matter how long you stop for. Ive ridden it before and stopped under the space ship for maybe 15-20 seconds and the guns stopped working before we got to that starro screen. If you get a smooth ride, things seem to be better. What would make it even better is if the whole ride had air con, not just the queue. They could keep the ride and never update it if it meant 20-30 mins of sweet, sweet air con on a 35 degree day.

You really have to be found negligent to be held accountable as far as fines go. But that doesn't mean negligence occurring in this particular incident, it could be previous actions, procedures or operations too that fostered an environment where something like this could happen. It opens up the people in charge of the maintenance department to being charged too, along with whoever inspected the ride that day, and maybe even engineers who had performed previous inspections and passed the ride if it turns out that there was a design flaw/modification that was even partially responsible. It's not something you can even make an educated guess on if there is no report being made available, because people could be facing not only fines, but real jail time depending on the findings.

It's the school holiday period, so it was busy last week when we did movieworld and wet n wild. 15 mins wait maximum? I think you're expecting too much. It should be quieter next week as the school holidays finish, but if you are heading to the parks expecting 15 minute waits, don't get angry when reality sets in and you have to wait longer on some rides.

depends on how important the bolt is. Something that holds a panel or a cover on or something probably isn't going to shut a ride.

I think youll be safe. Nothing is broken, dont know where the 25 mims came from. Power issues hit the whole park after 3. Pretty much every major ride went into e-stop because of it apparently. Usual case of resets and evacs as needed id expect. If something really was wrong, you'd probably see them working all night to get it sorted for tomorrow.

Amazing how attaching the head gives it even greater scale. Really pops now. Brilliant.

It's not a driving range though. Yeah, you can hit golf balls, but it's designed more as a game than just driving golf balls. Throw in bars and restaurants, it's a place you can spend hours at, vs just hitting bucket balls.

I thought there was talk of a industry practice being established too, not just recommendations following workplace qld investigating the dreamworld incident? All these links/articles are only state focused though.

Its stripping the paint in areas of high fatigue/failure/stress. Not the whole ride.

Hah. Dannii Minogue.

no because it is not required. Firstly, it's not a joint and it isn't a weld. So what are you going to NDT exactly? It literally looks like the plate steel sheared completely through where the seat support arm is. If there weren't any visual indications (and if you could actually see the area properly) like cracking in the paint or other distortions in the surface, you wouldn't be able to tell that was going to happen during routine checks and there would be no reason to perform testing on the area. If it's not listed as an area of high stress, if it's not previously listed as an area of failure or fatigue, you can't just randomly go and NDT every entire surface of a ride. Aside from being impractical and just outright expensive, what about the time it takes? The ride wouldn't b able to operate with it closed so often. As sad as it is, looking back through history of engineering (and not just amusement rides), a great deal of previously undetected failures in design or underlying metallurgy issues were found and corrected only when a failure occurred. Sometimes all the best math just can't account for the unexpected. Things like water ingress for example wreak havoc with structural components and often there is no sign anything is wrong until physical signs of fatigue present. People who fly off the handle and blame manufacturers digging up "documents" that they either don't understand, or don't care to read are the same sort of people that fueled the fires when the terrible accident happened at dreamworld. Everyone on parkz hated that kind of coverage and blame game, especially when there was so much completely incorrect and misleading "fact" reporting, but now it's happening on the other side of the world it's ok? You guys are a bunch of hypocrites. Wait until more information is made available and another statement is released from the ride manufacturer and don't jump to completely incorrect conclusions. It only makes the whole tragedy much worse.

It doesn't say anything of the sort. I had a look at that facebook group too and lots of people are sighting the above service bulletin as the manufacturer admitting there was a flaw and this is the reason why it should have been shut down, and the reason for the possible cause of the accident. None of that could be further from the truth, it's clear as day what the bulletin refers to and the failure wasn't in any areas previously identified. FYI, The other service bulletin SB007 is out there for the restraints and also includes diagrams. http://www.caresofficials.org/sites/default/files/technical_info/kmg-international_fireball-kmg_frb24-sb007_1286.pdf where the hell you guys are getting information that links the above with this failure, I'd like to know (or you guys need to go back and read something properly). Edit: Just to further the point that the two are completely unrelated parts of the ride, here is a new bulletin from tivoli placing attention on the seat supports and tubes. Nothing at all to do with the swing arm fatigue found and addressed previously by kmg. http://www.caresofficials.org/sites/default/files/technical_info/tivoli-amtech-sosa019-1732.pdf

That's not where the cracks were found being addressed by that bulletin. http://www.caresofficials.org/sites/default/files/technical_info/kmg-international_fireball-kmg_frb-sb006_1237.pdf It starts talking about bearings and shows a flange clearly in the drawing for the repair. They are talking about the bolted section where the main swing arm joins the chassis that holds the gondolas. Not each arm to the gondola itself. It's the flange in the top right of the above. And in the middle of the above.

that red thing looks pretty cool. The arms on either side of what looks like track rail fold down. Not only that, they have either hydraulic or pneumatic cylinders in them with big dampener springs too, so it looks like it has some form of cushioning. Even more interesting is the bridges between the rails have cylinders on top of them too. They appear to be attached to the bar above the rails, the one with white angular pieces sticking up. Looks like the cylinders push/pull this bar in and out. Makes me think the whole thing can move in multiple directions. Maybe like the cars are pushed from the transfer on to the track, so instead of needing track rails to mount the train/cars on, they might provide more movement to move the cars about when not setup on the actual transfer track.

If you went to dreamworld during the late 80's and 90's, you'll remember gum tree gully.

And none of that happened did it? I was going to start the above post by saying unless trading as insolvent (by the way, do you know how hard that is to prove?), but I thought that would only confuse things and wasn't needed as it had nothing to do with what was being discussed. Seriously, alexb, sometimes you lack context. The discussion is about the directors being liable for the fines they were issued with, not what else they may be liable for. Sometimes you just make things more confusing by taking it off topic.

You can't take assets of directors of a company because they are not personally liable for any outstanding money the company may owe. The company just winds up, secured creditors get the first bite of the cherry if they actually have any assets that can be recovered and everyone else usually gets stiffed.

Needs fire. Two big ones. Belching fire out the top. Especially at night.

If it causes down time, its a break down. If it doesn't cause down time, it's maintenance. If something is found one day and prevents the ride from opening and forces a change to the schedule, it might be unscheduled, but it is still maintenance. You can't plan everything.

Yeah, everyone aims to get to dreamworld or movieworld before 8 oclock right? I mean, it's not like anyone would be aiming for a 9-10am arrival when the roads are terrible..... If you even try to go to movieworld during a busy day, the north bound exit banks up on the highway as far as the previous helensvale turn off to westfield. The traffic is that bad sometimes. Same thing happens at dreamworld, its banked up back towards the overpass with both service roads just as bad because the overpass at oxenford is just about the worst intersection on the north side of the coast.

I said that earlier.....