"Disney standard" theming

[DaptoFunlandGuy]

which you have now said for the third time, yet still you return, and im sure, will return again. I never said anything about financial benefit. I... JUST... WANT... TO ... DRILL... THIS... INTO .... YOUR... THICK... HEAD.... Disney is Disney. When people of older generations went to see a show made by Disney that was animated, they went to the Disney Pictures, not the Cartoons. When people in the UK clean their carpets by means of suction andor rotating brushes, they call it Hoovering. There doesnt have to be a financial benefit to the company you clot. It is the simple brand recognition. Hoover was all there was in Vacuums for so long, and for so long they were the top of the line, that that is what they are called. the comparisons to be made between the two i would have thought would be abundantly clear to all. you are questioning a value of an argument that hasn't even been used. You yourself have just proved the argument. YOU own a Dyson. YOUR parents still call it HOOVERING, even though it is done with a DYSON machine. It doesnt matter that they wouldnt go back to a hoover, that is not the point I am making. Theres 3 brands out there better than a hoover (when compared equally, ability for ability). I might point out that none of the 3 are Dyson, but it DOESNT MATTER. The point is that for so long, Hoover were the ONLY floorcare specialists in the industry, everyone had a hoover, it wasn't vacuuming, it was hoovering. Disney has been around for so long, they are the best, and for a long time were the ONLY people around who did what they did. there are imitators around, who follow disney's example and principal... but they are imitators, not innovators. Disney are Innovators. Now - stick to your 3 previous posts and DONT POST THIS THREAD AGAIN.... go on... you know you're going to hit that reply button... you have to have the last word.... you can't control yourself can you? you have to continue to dig a hole deeper and deeper for yourself to sit in your own mud. We'll see who is right...

[Adam]

Your post above which is comparatively analysing vaccum cleaners and Disney attractions is contradicting itself.

The point is that for so long, Hoover were the ONLY floorcare specialists in the industry, everyone had a hoover, it wasn't vacuuming, it was hoovering. Disney has been around for so long, they are the best, and for a long time were the ONLY people around who did what they did. there are imitators around, who follow disney's example and principal... but they are imitators, not innovators. Disney are Innovators.

You are saying that Hoover and Disney are both innovators and everyone copies them, when in fact Dyson have developed an entirely new cleaning concept - that has taken off all over the world. And about the “hoovering” thing, it’s an old people/laziness issue, just because people call it “hoovering” and buy other vaccum cleaners doesn’t mean Hoover will return to number one.

[DaptoFunlandGuy]

1) you're a damn galah 2) i never said hoover would return to number one. again its not the comparison im making. 3) got news for you mate, hoover floorcare developed the cyclonic technology long before Dyson did, but found it delivered inferior suction, and absolutely no power economy, and tended to overheat the motors if used for long periods, so they designed a bagless unit that did not rely on a cyclone. utilising a unit that had the same suction at a lower wattage was what they felt people wanted. not an overpriced unit that was a "new" technology, just because. i knew you couldn't resist. Also, I never said anything specific about Disney Attractions in my comparisons.... i said DISNEY... overall... complete. READ what it is I am saying, because this is the same way you were when we were specifically debating Disney versus other parks... you are not understanding the point, reading what you feel like reading into each post, and then replying with irrelevance. it is at this point I would dearly love to use an expletive, but to keep within the community guidelines I will refrain. Needless to say a few choice phrases that I have known Daniel to utter would be appropriate here.

[Adam]

got news for you mate, hoover floorcare developed the cyclonic technology long before Dyson did, but found it delivered inferior suction, and absolutely no power economy, and tended to overheat the motors if used for long periods, so they designed a bagless unit that did not rely on a cyclone. utilising a unit that had the same suction at a lower wattage was what they felt people wanted. not an overpriced unit that was a "new" technology, just because.

Ok, I didn't know that. To be honest, I'm not really into housework, but thanks for the information.

[Bussy]

And yes wonderbus, I am finally done with this thread.

Yet you have posted twice since you said that. I think you will find that there are heaps of industrial vacuums that use the 'cyclone' and have been around for a very long time. Anyway back on topic, what if Disney went in to partnership with Hoover or Dyson and created a ride that is based around a vacuum cleaner. Ride could have a big lift followed by about 10 circles one on top of another going down so that the speed and g-forces build up as you go down. The ride will both blow and suck. "The Bus is now leaving for The Circles, NSW"

[Adam]

and created a ride that is based around a vacuum cleaner

I'm sure Alex would be interested.

Yet you have posted twice since you said that.

Three times. Yet does it matter? Everyone has their own opinion on Disney and no matter what anyone says, people will not listen nor take it in, they will simply think of ways to dispute the other's reasoning, it's true.

[righty]

Yet you have posted twice since you said that. I think you will find that there are heaps of industrial vacuums that use the 'cyclone' and have been around for a very long time. Anyway back on topic, what if Disney went in to partnership with Hoover or Dyson and created a ride that is based around a vacuum cleaner.  Ride could have a big lift followed by about 10 circles one on top of another going down so that the speed and g-forces build up as you go down.  The ride will both blow and suck. "The Bus is now leaving for The Circles, NSW"

hasnt Dreamworld already got a (insert brand name here) Cyclone that blows and sucks? and has bad airflow

[Bussy]

That's three times now. Good work righty, you caught on to what I was hinting at. "The Bus is now leaving for Hintonville, South Australia"

[bigglesworth003]

ok wow been gone for a week and this has exploded, just my view just been in QLD and went to movieworld and dreamworld, weill post atrip report soon, ok those who think scooby achives disney themeing uh no! it starts off great and definatley WB is the closest we have to disney i was quite impressed, but unfortunatley when scooby enters the shed and you can see cracks of light and the mad mouse track, and teh cheap looking xmas tube lights all over the walls. it lost its chance at sorta disney which sucks cause the ride is brillant i loveded it! the best ride in australia, i personally think if Wild West falls didnt have the video screens through the ride and had AA's instead talking there it would be disney quality ride except the one point you can see the scafolding on the entire back of the ride. WB movieworld was great!!!! ive heard people say it comes down to money and if otheres had groups like imagineering and money they could beat disney, just to wreak that. Universal have ther Universal creative group that is a division that souly makes and designs Universal rides and they come close to disney but still cant beat em and they have money allright!!!

[Adam]

I have never been on Revenge of the Mummy but I have read some reviews of people who are pretty well known in the coaster world, and they rate it higher than Disney.

[bigglesworth003]

Revenge of the mummy hollywood or florida florida is apparently pretty cool but from what ive seen and heard of hollywoods it blows! its short and they hyped it up and said it have all this stuff and it didnt and people were pi**ed!!! but i mean look at jurassic park fantastic ride its upthere with disney for sure!!

[Adam]

Yea, Universal do have some great rides.

but unfortunatley when scooby enters the shed and you can see cracks of light and the mad mouse track, and teh cheap looking xmas tube lights all over the walls.

I think the laser room is pretty cool. I have never seen this in a ride before, I think it makes it better than going around a completely pitch-black room. Where abouts are the cracks of light coming from? The emergency exits?

[bigglesworth003]

when your in the lift look at the floor round the walls and roof, the laser light is cool but there really isnt much fx's if it was darker and you couldnt see the track they could do some mad effects! still absolutley loved it!! jus tnot disney ! plus the lights show that the room is just a giant shed

[Skipper]

It really just comes down to who you have working on your teams and how much freedom they have, not the Umbrella they are working under. Disney still rates highly to the untrained eye but it certainly does not have the high benchmark standard it used to. When Eisner started to cut costs and re-structure Imagineering using all the grace of a chainsaw by outsourcing alot of the work to develop, design and build attractions to outside companies the effect was devastating to the quality of the work that imagineering was known for. so instead of having all the work done in-house you suddenly had civil contractors who would be more at ease with builing car parks and freeways designing new buildings and attractions. This caused huge rifts in-house and alot of Disney's most talented Imagineers were sacked or they left in disgust and jumped ship to places like Universal etc. so all Im saying is the people responsible for some of Disney's most popular attractions certainly arent going to waste now that they arent with disney - they are adding they're magic now to new developments at Universal and alike and THIS is why the sands are shifting At one point anything that had the Disney name attatched to it had the Midas touch but look at California Adventure runnning at huge losses and then as an attempt to try something big to bring people into the park they decide to build a second Tower of Terror for the westcoast - the first one (my favourite attraction of all time) at MGM was built when disney's imagineering dept was running intact and the second one was built after the fall out and you should see how much of a dissapoitment it is with major parts of the ride taken out (such as the 4th dimension), And dont even get me started on the look of the building and the general themeing!! ok so I have gotten a bit carried away here but All I wanted to say is that dont always expect to see disney set the benchmark for how things should be because their loss in certain staff has been other parks gain. It will be interesting to see what the future holds for Disney after once Eisners sucessor settles in.

[Gazza]

I dont mean to be smart or anything like that, but here is a bit of food for thought. When comparing rides, its always best to compare like with like, for example comparing rapids rides with rapids rides and comparing inverted coasters with inverted coasters. Going by this, it would be best to compare wild mouses with wild mouses. If you were to compare Scooby Doo with Mullholland madness, it would be fair to say that Scooby Doo is better since they are both mouses, so in the mouse category, Scooby has not only matched disney, it has completley beaten it. Comparing to another Disney mouse; Primeval Whirl, Scooby Doo again is better. So in conclusion, Scooby Doo is better than Disney in terms of Mouse coasters.

[scott]

Agreed.Now for the rest of the parks.

[Richard]

Skipper, Islands of Adventure is Universal's best effort to date. It's a very fine park, but it falls a long way short of any Disney park I've been to. California Adventure I think has been pretty unfairly done by for the most part. It's a great park that by its very goals is going to different from any other Disney park. It does have its problems and a few notable "cheap spots", but I think for the most part these look like they'll eventually be removed or replaced with more Disney-standard things. For what it's worth, Disney's California Adventure is not losing as much money as Islands of Adventure. I've not yet ridden the new Tower of Terror. From what I have seen it does fall quite a way short of its stunning Florida counterpart, but by that same token it still looks better than most everything Universal have come up with (exceptions like Spider-Man do exist). Mulholland Madness is a simple wild mouse coaster. It is a simple ride which doesn't try to be much. With Scooby-Doo, it could be said that the wild mouse element is one of the least significant of the ride. It is almost a novelty on this dark ride. I don't really think it's fair to compare the two.

[DaptoFunlandGuy]

i think a fairer and closer comparison would be scooby and space mountain... (anaheim)