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Jesus Christ would someone tell them to stop pouring petrol on the fire already?

the difference is between cheap and free. Dreamworld weren't charging people to ride TOT when it got turned backwards. Entire coaster trains are reversed on rides overseas on the regular. Not to mention the big Disney rides that have direction changes like Expedition Everest, Big Grizzly Mountain, or even Universal's Mummy coasters (though the Mummy is obviously not family market targeted) If people are going to get sick from going backwards, then the ride is already not for them as it does both. and in case you can't watch the video, here is the actual quote: I'll take that bet. If it is an upcharge, i'll buy you a turnstile. If it isn't, you shut the fuck up. Unless of course, you start the ride backwards, yeah?

IT'S. AN. AUSTRALIAN. REQUIREMENT. I think, if I remember correctly, we learned something about this when Buzzsaw had to be retrofitted to be compliant after a risk was found with the buzz restraints. Essentially part of the restraint failed, and there was lots of talk about 'safety layers'. Something about needing a redundant restraint locking device that did not rely on the same equipment - ie - you can't use a secondary hydraulic cylinder as a backup to your primary hydraulic cylinder, as there is a risk, however minimal, that if one fails, they both do. The easiest solution to this problem was a seatbelt. And also different jurisdiction. When are you going to get it through your head that Australia has different rules and regulations in place and not everything they do overseas can be replicated here? Just one more time - NO. THEY. AREN'T. Unfortunately organisations that provide these documents don't provide them for free, and the average joe who isn't building amusement devices isn't going to fork out $249 to satisfy curiosity. If anyone has a copy, (i'm assuming section 2.8 would be the relevant section here) feel free to post it. It was initially permitted, you're not mistaken. Either someone didn't read the manual correctly and it was pointed out later, or a later audit \ review identified it as an issue and the procedure changed. I mean - that pretty much proves you aren't reading the replies in this thread: Lap bar has to be checked push\pull before seatbelt is secured? Yes you can. Both apply forces to the human body that risk ejection from the ride if the restraint is not properly fitted, and locked. Ironically Tyre Sampson could still be alive today if his harness was fitted with a supplemental seatbelt (even if it were made longer to suit his harness size).

The key thing to note here is the second point that states that the push pull "check shall be carried out with the safety belt unfastened". If the belt has been fastened and has no slack, then the pull check won't detect a failed cylinder. Back when guests could insert their own seatbelt, that would very often tighten the belt themselves, so the procedure was changed to what it is now.

You can’t compare a drop tower to a roller coaster - also engineers could do a variety of things to compromise safety.

Based on the layout I reckon you’ll head up the lift, swivel towards the right, complete the right (indoor) section backwards, before going up the lift again and swiveling towards the left, then completing the layout forwards. That means you will always return to the station forwards. Obviously this could change and it could be anything but if it was to go through the other way (say dropping straight down the lift and travelling through that indoor section) I don’t think the train has the momentum to reach the switch track again + that curve looks a bit too tight to be heading straight down. Didn’t see the sunrise segment lol but that’s new. Backwards train probably is only going to run for 3 months of the year anyhow because dreamworld are not going to run it on 2 train mode for the bulk of the year. Highly doubt they charge money for it, what you’re getting 2 backwards trips as opposed to 1? Hardly a good sell

Hence the reason you put seat belts on a ride. So shiity operators/engineers can't make changes and kill people.

Because it's what is in the training manual, as well as the procedures that staff are trained in. Staff follow procedures that are set out by management. These procedures are created with consultation with several bodies (manufacturer, insurance companies, external auditors etc). Each country has different requirements as multiple other people have stated now. It's not something that is going to change any time soon either. Although, I personally love the idea that they changed the procedure purely to piss you off tbh.

It won't be an upcharge I can assure you.

New Dreamworld rollercoaster.mp4 Anyone wanna take bets that the backwards train will be an upcharge?

In the Sunrise segment where they show the trains, the Dreamworld staff member that was interviewed states that riders’ll be able to choose between riding forwards & backwards.

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No one has answered why a crew member has to put the seatbelt in.. Tyre Sampson is a low blow, that came down to shitty operators/engineers.

Things change @Dean Barnett . Tell that to Tyre Sampson or every other large person who has fallen off a ride.

Different regulatory requirements I would guess. For example, cars are made differently for Aus markets than say the US market (aside from the steering wheel being in the opposite side); different safety requirements. I seem to remember being able to put my own seatbelt on on DCR the first time I rode back in 2019ish, do I remember correctly or was I just one of those naughty passengers?

@Dean Barnett have you ever read AS 3533.1. I ask because that would answer a lot of questions as to why things are done a certain way in Australia exclusively.

They're not - Helix operated without seatbelts for the first 1 or 2 years - then they were then added due to "guest feedback". If you are stating truths - why has Blue Fire ran for 14 years without any issues? Oversized people can't ride because the ride tells the operator that the harness is not locked - the same for pretty much every coaster system.

Seat belts are not intended to be a 3rd safety redundancy on a Mack coaster, for keeping the harness closed. And seat belts are not installed for theater. Seat belts max length can't be adjusted by the parks, meaning, over sized people don't end up on the ride.

In the sunrise interview they state the second train is built to be backwards facing. I'm guessing you'll hit the turntable twice so you return to the station the way you got on? This way guests can choose which experience they want to go on

How you explain family Boomerang coasters. They are more or less 50-50 forwards and backwards? Besides, as per the original announcement: And the website: When?

Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think they’re planning to do backwards cycles. It’s never been explicitly stated and honestly i doubt it because more people get backwards sick than you think, particularly those in the demographic that jungle rush attracts. While it’s true that the ride changes directions twice throughout the course (backwards for the mid section before going forwards for the outdoor section), if movie world struggles to get people to fill seats in the rivals backwards row (even when it was cheap) I can’t see people lining up to ride a full train backwards if it’s an option.

I honestly don’t know. The manufacturers don’t require it - they don’t even require seatbelts - which are just there for safety theatre. Universal actively encourages you to insert and remove your seatbelt (yes different ride manufacturer I know) but it’s just way ott

When replying to guest upset that rides are still closed (Tuesday) the response still highlighted showcase an an attraction to do on your "full day out"

Two different parks - MW and DW - both have a mack coaster, both have seatbelts, which aren't seen on overseas versions of the rides - and both require the operator to do up the seatbelt, regardless of RFID. Do you think Daddy Dreamworld and Daddy Movie World got together and said "this will really piss off @Dean Barnett" ?? Or do we think some external compliance requirement has forced them to have seatbelts, and required the operator to do it up?

I don't know about that. From a Bluefire operations manual.