DaptoFunlandGuy

especially considering EFM is a retheme, i think they've done pretty well - the train itself was given an overlay, there were madagascar cargo boxes all around with clever little details. It's been a while since I was on it, but the station got a really nice once over too. Sure they don't have a forest of trees - but thats a bit harder to do in a coaster envelope.... i think saying EFM has 'no theme' is a bit too harsh - although i'll agree it's probably not as detailed as RRRC - you have to take into account the fact that it's pretty easy to theme a desert.

Well... I severely underestimated the mountain the media could make out of this molehill, but the stupidity of the people commenting is even worse. If I were the parks, or the industry right now, i'd be looking at what legal options there are to get the media to provide some sort of corrections - perhaps running a story on ACA or TT where engineers, safety auditors, ride manufacturers and park operators talk about these sorts of incidents - why it proves they're safe, why it's normal day-to-day stuff. But - when you see just how fucking pathetic they can be over a white shirt - it's no wonder they're pushing this sensationalistic garbage for ratings and clicks.

I'm u/v that purely because you bothered to do the math on a bee's dick.

you can't see them though, as the lift is enclosed, plus can't film from the curb - so helicopter is your only option - which won't give you much to see with the enclosed lift anyway - so probably won't make a story out of it.

As has been said already - this is a much closer battle and in no way hands down winner. I also congratulate you on creating a thread that asks a question without adding a poll to it. My first inclination was EFM - the nature of being suspended provides a much better 'i'm flying' experience which in my opinion is probably a much cooler thing than RRRC - remembering of course that Dragon Wagons and similar ground level attractions provide much the same experience for the little guys to RRRC - so EFM would be a 'difference'. I do have a soft spot for RRRC - although I can't really articulate why - but I find that for adults accompanying the little ones - RRRC can be a tight squeeze - whereas EFM permits leg freedom - so long as you don't put your feet on the chairs in front as you crest the lift hill (you can break a leg if you aren't careful!). so - i like RRRC, and don't want to see it relegated to paperclips - and - ignoring my preference for VRTP over DW parks (much like you'd compare Holden to Ford - everyone has a favourite and everyone has a nemesis), i'd have to say EFM by a whisker.

is that your way of saying the reported RCDB height is accurate, and MW technically ISNT building a hyper - for want of a bee's dick?

I love that they go to all this trouble of making armrest controls, and then they resort to a wireless mic on a mic stand in the middle of the floor...

I don't know about you @Original but I prefer my coasters to lose their speed when they hit the brakes...

you're saying MDMC is more comfortable than Scooby?

Ok, so we're up to the stage of having retail gondolas in position. Clearly stock isn't on site yet, but we're nearing a readiness to open. Am I the only one going "where are the giant lego models?" - every lego shop, store, exhibition or attraction i've ever been to has had some giant lego models nearby. I'm not seeing any here, nor any space for there to be one. Someone please tell me they haven't just built this huge shop in an almost identical fashion to every other one around, and then not proceeded to have their signature installations mounted on \ around the buildings... i'm a little disappointed by this.

I take your point, and older generations do generalise about certain aspects of the younger - but it's not without merit. You understand the joke or the punchline, but not everyone your age does. I'm the youngest in my family, and my wife is the oldest - despite there only being two years between us, I've got a much 'older' interest in things like music for example - because my eldest brother is 10 years older than me, and I tended to follow what my brothers did (like most younger siblings). With my wife being the oldest - she didn't have someone to 'follow' and so her interests tended to be a little more modern than mine. Its a very generalistic approach, and clearly not applicable to you personally, but there are many in 'younger generations' that are clueless about these things that people my age grew up with. TO hazard a guess - are you the eldest child in your family? It can depend on how the agreement went when WB exited the market. VR bought them out. Clearly at the time they were very reliant on the WB franchises for what was in the park, so retaining the license for those properties would have been a key factor in negotiations, as it ultimately would determine the ability for the park to continue in it's (then) current format. Since VR was paying - it could very easily have been written into the contract some sort of lifetime license - with the payment included in the purchase price. Depending on how desperate WB was to liquidate their share in the parks, they may have been willing to do something like that for existing properties - and similar to the Universal \ Marvel deal, they'd be permitted to refurb or refresh, provided certain standards were met. THis could be the case as we've seen several changes to the WB Kids area since WB exited the parks - pounce and bounce is a new addition entirely utilising the same characters, and I doubt this would have required a separate license negotiation - but at the end of the day we don't know what we don't know. I would like to join those calling for the park to make SOME sort of change to the ride for when it returns. Reversing the cars, whilst cool, does obviously require physical changes to the ride itself and that is probably outside of the scope of what they have embarked on - so we're likely not going to see that, at least this time around... So then, what we need to see is a revamped and updated attraction - let's see some new effects in the animatronics (we have the technology), let's see some better lighting to hide the next element, add more surprise, add more 'spooky' whilst still being kid friendly. Above all else though, let's bring in the guys responsible for the original laser show, let's set up the lasers so that they once again utilise the mirrors mounted around the disco room. let's get the right balance of fog so the room really pops, and lets update the sound system so it pumps no matter where in the room you are. Let's redo the ropelights in the lift well so it emphasises the speed and tilt of the lift. Maybe we can put more interactivity in the queueline, maybe we can do something else besides the same tired 'making of' video. Look - i enjoy the video but theres only so many times you want to hear it \ see it whilst queueing for a couple hours... and while we're in there - let's do a little realignment of the queue chains so each lane isn't 5 miles wide - people don't use all available space in the lanes, which makes the line long and quickly ends in people queueing in the overflow outside - make the lanes a little narrower so more people can fit in the airconditioning. All of this would likely cost less than another MACK turntable - but it is just a bit of a wishlist without much in the way of direction or cohesion - just my ramble.

Ahhhh I too recall fond memories of riding the Turbo at the Hawk Show. The poor man's easter show - they did pretty well considering it was a hole.

oh dear. silly me. I had the plans upside down.

I was isolating the experiences - the yardsticks held up were speed and height. I isolated speed in referring to the speed my car does. I wasn't suggesting my car drives like it's on rails, or handles turns like a coaster - i was simply pointing out the speed element comparison - likewise the comparison to a lift\elevator for height.

turn the trains around so you ride backwards and call it scooby doo 2.... it's been done before...

Reanimated didn't post a schematic - he had some roughly drawn lines, and none of what he posted suggested to me that he intended for the building to be constructed on the western side. I always interpreted what he had said to imply that the building would be closest to the highway, with the range facing towards the studios.

I think that happened when they built WWW, because previously Dreamworld Parkway went up to the entrance and back down, didn't it? Actually, i think that happened when Cyclone was built, as it was built over the parkway, i think?

Why? Superman doesn't even go as fast as it is legally permitted to drive on the M1 (I think @pin142 has been pointing this out for some time on the forums - but i may be mistaken and it may be someone else) Point is - i (legally and safely) drive my car daily at speeds higher than almost every coaster in Australia. and now back to the topic... errr - wait. we weren't on topic anyway.

It's not just the trains - and nothing to do with the jet skis. as has been pointed to already - the JR trains are far more comfortable and MDMC. I can barely ride it because of my legs, and my wife cannot ride it because of hers, whereas we can both comfortably ride JR. If you switched the trains, you'd have a boring jet ski ride, and an uncomfortable motorcycle themed ride that further inflamed the pain experienced in riding with high speeds and rough forces. no thanks.

I'm calling it out - they aren't competing - one's thrilling, and one's MDMC.

It's interesting that the new tagline for TI is "get closer" and yet the old vantage point against the fence remains several metres in front of the first row of the upward seating pit... although I haven't seen TI for myself and can only go from pictures. I imagine the glass sided pool makes for a better view than previously though.

You are of course correct in using the value of time instead of length, and this is referred to in the links I provided. As the specific example gave a length, and specified the speed limit, it was easier to respond using the same measurements. Per the first link I provided: I wasn't offering my highway driving as authority, but merely the beginning and introduction of an anecdote. I have a far better authority than 'driving on highways everyday' to quote if you really want to make an issue of it, but as I wasn't quoting an authority in the first place, I don't see a need.

The image with the temporary set was (i believe) for Thor filming, which has already wrapped. the image was taken in September last year, so is several months old. Nothing says that carpark is staying. If your calculations reveal that the TG range would need to encroach on the carpark to fit in that orientation, maybe thats exactly what they're proposing to do. Your last sentence would be a little flawed though - if the TG building is to be positioned on the eastern edge of the plot, then the set could remain at the western end until they reached 'landscaping' stage of construction (near completion) as the range wouldn't need much more than grading\levelling, topsoil, irrigation and turfing - the building would take far longer than the range itself, so they could easily keep that area open for quite some time during construction, and only close it when they need to. Likewise if Magicians map re the fences is correct, the western fence would surround the BUILDING site, and it wouldn't matter if it cut across the range at this time as they aren't building the range yet... i think all you can see there is like a netting \ webbing hung over the top of the set to cover it from direct sunlight and shadows

Some of the best coasters i've enjoyed over the years have been either not very high or not very fast. I don't think those two criteria are the yardstick for a coaster. Take Jet Rescue - a very enjoyable ride where the track only JUST cracks 6 feet off the ground, and only very briefly. Much of SDSC isn't very fast - excepting a couple of drops which build some speed but quickly drop it again on an incline or brake run. I absolutely loved the old Soap Box Derby Racers at knott's, and on my last visit, thoroughly enjoyed Pony Express. Thing is, the highest, fastest coasters in the world tend also to be some of the most boring - high speed acceleration, uphill, back down again, (possible camel hump or two), brake run, stop. Sure - its a thrill to go fast - but i can do that in my car on my way to work... Going high? I can do that in a lift. Neither fast nor high is necessarily a good indicator of good, enjoyable, or thrilling. An El Loco is a standard model (modified slightly at MW) to make for a different coaster experience. as has been pointed out on both sides, its purely opinion on what makes something or other good or bad. You don't need a big coaster with all the elements to be a good coaster - in fact some coasters go too far and end up turning you off (although I find it laughable you'd classify Superman Escape as a 'small' coaster and put it in the same league as Buzzsaw. The best way to approach a coaster is to understand what it's trying to be, and appreciate it for what it is, regardless of your personal preferences on height, or speed, or inversions, and most importantly never consider MDMC to be anything positive. It is an abomination and should be melted down into pickaxes to be used by convicts in third world countries.

I disagree, but it is personal preference - i enjoy the slow, teetering hanging off the edge, beyond vertical drop and soundtrack. IMO its a pretty good ride.