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For a bit of fun, while we are experiencing lockdown blues, I thought I would pose the question to the group of where do you think a new Amusement park could be establised in NSW and there are certainly a number of places where this could work. I have given this some consideration and I feel that one place it could work is at the Hunter Valley Gardens. The Hunter Valley Gardens, for those who do not know, opened in 2003 and are in the Hunter Valley about 15 minutes from the town of Cessnock. The gardens span across 14 hectares of land, containing 10 differently themed gardens, accommodation, a shopping village,  small rides/events and dining. The gardens are a popular venue in the Hunter Valley for weddings and events. Hunter Valley Gardens is the largest display garden in the Southern Hemisphere. I feel then the establishment of an amusement/theme park here with a host of attractions with some elements of thrills but focusing on family friendly attactions would be an absolute hit. Most of the attractions would be placed sparingly around the gardens with emphasis on a new back area where the majority could be situated. There is plently of room to expand and as the Gardens are already a successful attraction in their own right, this is the next evolution of that idea and follows in the footsteps of other similar parks around the world that offer similar dual attractions such as Alton Towers in the UK , Tivoli Gardens in Denmark and Efteling in the Netherlands. I have included 2 aerial shots of the Gardens to give context to placement and to also show the expansive room that we have to work with. In deciding on rides and attractions, I have tried to keep things fairly unique- the majority of these rides you will not find elsewhere in Australia. I think this is important for any new amusement park as the need to stand out and offer a point of difference is strong. Similarly , with the coasters I have selected, I have steered clear of any Top tier manufactuers such as Intamin, B&M or RMC. This is to keep it grounded in some semblance of reality and also to keep the focus on family thrills and not over the top , first level thrills that the top tier manufactuerers offer. I have selected 7 coaster which I feel fit the bill. These include:
• Vekoma Invert- New generation
• Preston and Barbieri Family Duelling Coaster
• Zamperla Moto Coaster
• Zamperla Thunderbolt
• Zierer Elevated Seating Coaster
• Reverchon Drifting Coaster
• Technical Park Water Coaster
For the flat rides I have included once again, a selction of rides that are not present at most other Australian parks and most are rides that offer elements of good thrills but are mostly also family friendly. There are some attractions that are old school but also some that are brand new concepts- so much so that a couple of them do not have an installation currently. I will also include a video concept of every ride below so that each ride selection can be seen in action to give a good grasp of context as to why the ride was chosen and what it would offer to the overall park.
The flat ride selection that I have chosen include:
• Technical Park Aerobat
• Gerstlauer Dancing Pavilion
• Gerstlauer Bavarian Express
• Larson Tilt a Whirl
• Larson Flying Scooter
• Chance Freestyle
• Gerstlauer Polyp
• Zamperla Disk O
• Zamperla Endeavour
• RES Parachute Tower
• Huss Airboat
• Huss Condor Hybrid
• Zierer Wave Swinger
• Sartori Roto Techno
• Sartori Twister
• KMG Afterburner
• Fabbri Alladin’s Ride Giant
• Zamperla Hydro Lift
• Zamperla Gryphon
• Sartori Roundabout
• Larson Drop Tower
• Technical Park Big Wheel
The Gardens are an already established attraction with an accompanying Village/Retail precinct and nearby adjacent hotel and there are also plenty of other wineries, attractions and dining options nearby to add to the value of a trip. I think this concept could definitely be a success , especially as the infrastructure for a major amusement park attraction such as parking and other ancilliary considerations are mostly there. Very interested in seeing what you guys think of the concept overall and whether you think it could work, what are the strengths of the proposal and what are the roadblocks that may stop it being a success. Also keen to hear feedback on the ride selection and whether you think the mix is good, or what changes you feel could work. Have a look at the video presentation for each ride  to give you a better feel for how they could fit into the Hunter Valley Gardens theme park concept.
 
Hunter Valley Gardens from the air:
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Coaster Possibilities
Apart from Vekoma, I have avoided Top tier manufacturers for reasons stated above
All of these coasters are envisaged to have respective theming and will be park models with permanent installations.
I think a stage 2 could possibly add a small family wooden coaster and or a  Vekoma Family Boomerang. 
 
Vekoma Suspended Thrill Coaster
 
Preston and Barbieri Family Duelling Coaster
Zamperla Motocoaster
 

 

Zamperla Lightning/Thunderbolt coaster with 2nd generation trains

Zierer Elevated Seating Coaster

 

Reverchon Drifting Coaster

Technical Park Water Coaster

Flat ride attraction selection:

All rides would be park models.

All are rides that are currently being offered or produced by their individual manufacturers.

Of course these rides would evisaged to be accompanied by respective theming. The videos selected are meant to show park models and examples of theming that could be possibilities with any install.

Technical Park Aerobat

Gerstlauer Dancing Pavilion

Gerstlauer Bavarian Express

 

Larson Tilt A Whirl

Larson Flying Scooters

Chance Freestyle

Gerstlauer Polyp

Zamperla Disk 'O'

Zamperla Endeavour

Intamin Parachute Tower

Huss Airboat

Huss Condor Hybrid

Zierer Wave Swinger

Sartori Roto Techno

Sartori Twister

KMG Afterburner

Fabbri Aladdin's Ride

Zamperla Hydro Lift

Zamperla Gryphon

Sartori Roundabout

Larson Drop Tower

Technical Park Big Wheel

Of course this is all hypothetical but with very real considerations. The fact is that NSW is in desperate need for a major theme park in the long wake of Wonderland's lamented demise. Luna Park and its impending opening of its $30 million dollar investment will be brilliant but what the state needs is a destination park. These rides are all my own opinion of course, and I am sure that everyone will have an opinion or personal views on what rides they would like to see. As it stands, if a park offering these attractions were to open at Hunter Valley Gardens with reasonable themed elements then I think we would all be mostly pleased. The only thing that could be added for a Stage 2 would be as mentioned above , A family Wooden coaster, a Family Boomerang and some sort of Dark ride- be it a straight scare attraction or a shooter. I think the location would be a great fit, as the Hunter Valley Gardens are a great attraction in their own right and the addition of a theme park is not meant to detract or dilute this experience in any way whatsoever- in fact , in my mind , they are meant to be inclusive and be seen as a sum of the whole park eventually.

Anyway a bit of fun, I look forward to seeing what discussion is generated from the overall idea and I would love to see what any of your ideas that you think could enhance it. Cheers!!

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I think the big banana at Coffs Habour would be ripe oh dear lord for a terrain coaster like wood coaster near Shenzen. The distance to Coffs from major cities makes this but a pipe dream but I really do find the location special. It's hard to resist pulling over from the highway if travelling through and it's already got some small attractions.

 

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It's funny because every year my wife and I go to HVG for the Christmas Lights I always say they should put a coaster in. It would go gang busters even if they brought in a travelling model like a spinning wild mouse for the Christmas period.

That being said, I don't think they're in the right location to be a fully fledged theme park. The area is known for it's winerys and quiet getaways in a tranquil area. Putting a bunch of screaming people in the middle of it all is not what I'd personally see being received well by the local businesses.

The place is miles away from major public transport. Newcastle (Williamtown) is the closest major airport and it's limited in where you can fly from here.

Locally, Cessnock isn't exactly known for its citizens being awash with money.

However, the Christmas Light Spectacular draws in major crowds every year with tour busses from Sydney etc so it stands to reason if they get it right it might work. It's pretty easy to get to from Sydney if you wanted to make the trip up (M1 then Hunter Expressway).

We've been to HVG during the day outside of the Christmas period and the place is a ghost town, maybe a few thrill rides will keep attendance chugging along.

I've often thought that Old Sydney Town would be a great location for a theme park. It has the reptile park next door, is situated almost halfway between Sydney and Newcastle and is straight off the M1 and close to the train line (Gosford). Disappointingly it appears as though it's going to be housing.

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9 hours ago, rummy said:

The distance to Coffs from major cities makes this but a pipe dream

I mean, I know its in a different league in terms of population and traffic, but Buffalo Bill's had Desperado for over 20 years (although it's had its fair share of ups and downs 🤣) on I15 between LA and Vegas.

Coffs is a city on the verge of change - the bypass will see a lot of reduced traffic through the town, but it's still a holiday destination too - not just a town reliant on travellers passing through. 

The big banana has been trying to re-invent itself for years and I think their latest plans do look strong enough to convince people to detour off the bypass. Perhaps not today, but in the near future, the evolution of Coffs will permit a proper full size coaster and that should have all our support!

Back to HVG - I love the concept, but I fear HVG is too far from the big destinations to be a day trip, but will be too small to warrant an overnight stay - even with the other elements in the area (in my personal experience, wineries are not the usual hang-outs of outside-park-hours theme park goers). 

You haven't mentioned anything about the structure of admission - is this a pay-per-ride structure like the old Luna ticketing system or a gated admission park like the GC? or a free-admission, buy a wristband to ride system like the current luna system?

I'm not sure the locals will support gating the gardens, so it seems like you need individual ticket purchase (which tends to limit riders to a once-and-done mentality) or 'unlimited wristband' sessions - which needs to be priced affordably to convince purchase but sufficiently to cover all potential operating costs. It's a dicey choice for a new venture without being located in a tourism hotspot. 

I know of your particular preference for HVG, but I feel like anything new for NSW probably needs to be closer to Sydney. I do feel like the Badgery's Creek Airport will lend itself well to development of previously remote rural land - Hong Kong Disneyland probably wouldn't have gone ahead if it weren't for the new HK airport being built on Lantau island. Similarly I think any theme park for NSW needs to be based closed to mass tourism transport corridors - and with Badgery's Creek, south western greater sydney basin farmland becomes a really viable option.

 

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I think Anka Park is proof that quantity over quality simply doesn't work. Mind you they also have a little more than 3x our population, so imagine that in a country of 26 million. If Wonderland failed so miserably, what you are proposing has zero chance.. it would never ever work. If you want to talk realistic with actual rides any sane person opening a theme park would buy, then let's talk. That includes brand names, in other words.

 

 

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19 hours ago, Ranger said:

I was just thinking about making a forum about this yesterday. Ok, firstly I do see a new

Did you have stoke?

15 hours ago, pazzap said:

If Wonderland failed so miserably, what you are proposing has zero chance.. it would never ever work. If you want to talk realistic with actual rides any sane person opening a theme park would buy, then let's talk. That includes brand names, in other words.

 

You've no idea the particular set of circumstances that lead to Wonderland's demise. First of all, recall that the park operated for close to 20 years. Hardly a failure - at least for the first 15. Furthermore, with that attitude, why should anyone ever think about building a park anywhere? Someone get in the time machine and tell Uncle Walt not to bother - he's got zero chance. 

The only park that has zero chance is the one that isn't built.

What is wrong with the manufacturers mentioned? they are quite well known names in the industry. They're not top-tier, but a regional park trying to grow can't pick top tier manufacturers or they'll go broke before they've seen a return on investment.

Personally, I think a single expansion, going from current state to all of that mentioned above is ambitious and fraught with very high risk - however an organic expansion, adding a new ride every season or two based on available funds, increase visitation and marketing would be a way to go and in 10 years or so maybe you've built something worthy of a destination, or at the very least a detour.

As for being realistic @pazzap - you're the one that wants to keep a maintenance nightmare, and remove a just-refurbished coaster, or spend more money reprofiling it simply because it isn't to your taste. If you're going to insist that people's proposals be realistic - perhaps you could start with your own. 

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On 21/09/2021 at 11:15 PM, franky said:

It's funny because every year my wife and I go to HVG for the Christmas Lights I always say they should put a coaster in. It would go gang busters even if they brought in a travelling model like a spinning wild mouse for the Christmas period.

That being said, I don't think they're in the right location to be a fully fledged theme park. The area is known for it's winerys and quiet getaways in a tranquil area. Putting a bunch of screaming people in the middle of it all is not what I'd personally see being received well by the local businesses.

Yeah you are correct here- the Xmas Lights Spectactular always sees huge crowds and is what gave me the impetus for the idea in the first place.

Its probably never going to be a fully fledged theme park in reality, however, the region itself is diversifying and offering attractions and events that are quite popular. The winerys are looking for other attractions and events to keep the tourism dollar pumping into the region and concerts and events have been steadily growing in patronage and scope over the last 10- 15 years. Last August, a new $107 million dollar new out door concert ampitheatre with 22,000 capacity has been announced and is currently being built. The scope also includes a 100 bed hotel and specialist food and beverage dinining options. This is extremely close to the HVG site and will join the Mecure Hotel situated next door to the HVG and also the Crown Plaza resort in the area that is nice and close- adding in amusement park attractions to enhance an already popular attraction such as the HVG seems like a feasible thing to do. As for screams and noise, the site is well enough contained on its own entirety to remove that as an issue for mine.

Here is the details for the new investment- sitting very close to the HVG site which can only help the broader appeal and visitiation of the surrounding attractions.

https://themusicnetwork.com/cedar-mill-hunter-valley-venue/

On 22/09/2021 at 8:05 AM, DaptoFunlandGuy said:

You haven't mentioned anything about the structure of admission - is this a pay-per-ride structure like the old Luna ticketing system or a gated admission park like the GC? or a free-admission, buy a wristband to ride system like the current luna system?

I'm not sure the locals will support gating the gardens, so it seems like you need individual ticket purchase (which tends to limit riders to a once-and-done mentality) or 'unlimited wristband' sessions - which needs to be priced affordably to convince purchase but sufficiently to cover all potential operating costs. It's a dicey choice for a new venture without being located in a tourism hotspot. 

The HVG is already a gated cost structure. They also have acquired over the last 3 years a permanent Ferris Wheel, a Wave Swinger, a Giant slide and several other smaller kiddie rides that are located in the back area. These are extra cost to the gated admission but if they were to go down the route and offer several more rides and attractions, then I feel that a wristband option would not be an unreasonable way of looking at pricing. As the park grows organically and the amusement section becomes just as big a drawcard as the Gardens itself, it could perhaps change to an all inclusive gated pricing structure.

 

18 hours ago, pazzap said:

I think Anka Park is proof that quantity over quality simply doesn't work. Mind you they also have a little more than 3x our population, so imagine that in a country of 26 million. If Wonderland failed so miserably, what you are proposing has zero chance.. it would never ever work. If you want to talk realistic with actual rides any sane person opening a theme park would buy, then let's talk. That includes brand names, in other words.

Wow. Well I did want to generate some discussion. Thanks at least for posting. As @DaptoFunlandGuy has already answered above quite eloquently, Wonderland's closure and sale were not for reasons of "failure"- there were a myriad of events that led to its demise and none of them could really be linked or overlaid on the success or failure of a new venture such as this. 

As for your other mind boggling statement regarding the rides choices chosen- well of course they are my picks and my opinions on what I think would work. However , to not call them brand names or rides that any sane person opening a theme park would buy, is one of the more preposterous statements I have ever seen on Parkz, if I am honest. Which of these ride manufacturers have you not heard of? Zamperla? Zierer? KMG? Fabbri? Technical Park? All of these manufacturers are VERY well known within the amusement industry and all of the examples of the rides chosen have multiple units located within amusement parks across the globe- with the exception of the Zamperla Gryphon- which as a new concept has not had an install yet. Remember I also put in very large type the word "Hypothetical" but I feel for added realism that any new regional park couldnt offer Intamin or B&M or any other top tier manufacturer immediately. However , I feel the rides chosen would make for a compelling offer for any park to open with. 

 

3 hours ago, DaptoFunlandGuy said:

Personally, I think a single expansion, going from current state to all of that mentioned above is ambitious and fraught with very high risk - however an organic expansion, adding a new ride every season or two based on available funds, increase visitation and marketing would be a way to go and in 10 years or so maybe you've built something worthy of a destination, or at the very least a detour.

Yeah you are quite right here mate- I think that the natural evolution of the place is ripe for this sort of organic expansion. To add all this in one go is not something that will likely occur but the fact that the HVG already have sourced and installed a small collection of permanent rides such as the aforementioned WaveSwinger, Ferris Wheel and Giant Slide means they are looking at diversifying and enhancing their existing attractions. In 10 years they could quite reasonably have a decent collection and could become an nice , well themed regional park. 

 

On 22/09/2021 at 8:05 AM, DaptoFunlandGuy said:

I know of your particular preference for HVG, but I feel like anything new for NSW probably needs to be closer to Sydney. I do feel like the Badgery's Creek Airport will lend itself well to development of previously remote rural land - Hong Kong Disneyland probably wouldn't have gone ahead if it weren't for the new HK airport being built on Lantau island. Similarly I think any theme park for NSW needs to be based closed to mass tourism transport corridors - and with Badgery's Creek, south western greater sydney basin farmland becomes a really viable option.

For a brand new theme park this is absolutely the way to go and I think is the best case and site for NSW to receive a fully fledged , ground up and purpose built theme park. 

On 21/09/2021 at 11:15 PM, franky said:

've often thought that Old Sydney Town would be a great location for a theme park. It has the reptile park next door, is situated almost halfway between Sydney and Newcastle and is straight off the M1 and close to the train line (Gosford). Disappointingly it appears as though it's going to be housing.

100% agree here mate- I too have long thought that this site is very conducive for a future theme park. Its right on the M1 an hour in between NSW's 2 biggest cities with the Central Coast at its doorstep- in terms of population reach you cannot get any better. The Australian Reptile Park next door has shown that an attraction like this can survive at this location and if a theme park was located next door , then the 2 attractions definitely offer a compelling reason to visit for NSW residents. It has a lot going for it.

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7 hours ago, DaptoFunlandGuy said:

Did you have stoke?

 

No sorry, I had a whole essay written but I accidently deleted it. Anyway here's my thoughts on a new park in NSW. 

 

It is inevitable that one day a major park will be built in NSW. NSW has a population of 8.16 million people, more than any other state in Australia. On top of that, NSW had 42.7 million tourists ( both international and domestic ) visit in 2019 ( pre covid remember ). So the arguement that '  NSW can't support a park ' is plain rubbish. 

Now for the big question is where would we put a park. There's only two options in my mind: Western Sydney or the Central Coast. Let's start with Western Sydney. I think a park on the banks of Penrith Lakes would be perfect. For the Central Coast. I really think a park in Gosford would be good. Redeveloping Old Sydney Town and turning it into a park would be fantastic.

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Do bear in mind those tourism figures need a little salt - as we know from Covid quarantine bills being issued by the NSW government to other states - Sydney is one of the largest arrivals airport for international tourists - but not all of them stay on in Sydney...

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Someone needs to buy all the land near Western Sydney airport and stop all the land going into housing developments, for the theme parks that will go in will have to be a Disneyland with Galaxy's Edge, Avengers Campus, Pandora of Avatar, make similar lands to what is in Disneyland and Disneyworld already, make the park be Californian themed, classic Disney themed and put some Australian theming in. Also include a Disneyland resort. 

The second theme park that would have to come in would have to be a Universal Studios with Harry Potter world with Hogwarts and Diagon Alley, Jurassic World themed area, King Kong themed area, the mummy themed area, transformers themed area and so on.

The alternative should be a six flags park with lots of thrill rollercoasters like the parks in the US. If a park wants to survive it needs decent roller coasters, decent thrill rides, no putt putt golf, no overly sized kids areas with crappy rides like many theme parks in Australia do. 

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Here's the first suggestion.

Chance Hyper GTX  instead of Zamperla thunderbolt.

and YES, the one at OWA even with second gen trains is full of jackhammering and even a couple deep pothole moments.. it's a good layout that just rides terribly. Although I do believe gen 3 trains coming (probably won't make a difference). it's  better than the one at Luna Park but only because those restraints staple you and get worse as the ride goes on.It's not like it's smoother or something LOL.

Anyway, I just saved you 3 million dollars for a much, much better ride.

Of course I know the brand names but all the coasters you have suggested are terrible. Every single choice. You've specifically gone and made a park with the exact sort of brand names that Anka did, and they proved the model doesn't work. They had ONE decent coaster and even that is just the wrong choice (intamin 10 inversion rev b and their only big brand name).

You are very cheeky, I was going by what you were saying and NOT using the main brand names, that doesn't mean I don't know the ones you used. They are just utter garbage and your park would 100% fail. I guarantee it.

No one wants to pay for a theme park unless the rides are spectacular. Just like Steel Taipan will not save Dreamworld.. one good coaster isn't enough.

I don't know what you want to hear, do you want me to pamper your idea? You were quite rude where as I initially wasn't, telling me how "preposterous" I am.. so let me put it bluntly:

Yours is the worst idea for a theme park I have ever seen in my near 50 years. EVER. When I have seen really bad parks that fail, in the real world, and wonder to myself "how on Earth could someone even think this was a good idea, this sort of person doesn't exist in reality", you've gone and shown me that people who design terrible parks do exist.

I'm out, you obviously want to stick to crap and not have real feedback, so, I've got better things to do.

 

 

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@pazzap if you are near 50 i feel sorry for you, because the way you have responded to @Jobe's thread and ideas is pre-teen level at best.

He put a heap of thought and effort into an idea, and for you to just jump on and throw shit at it, when he put more effort into one post than you have in all the contributions you have made in all your time coming in and out over the years is petulant at best. 

You don't have to agree with his plans, but as others have, engage in a discussion rather than acting like an arrogant dick.

 

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@pazzap I agree with @Brad2912, I’m just 18 even I know that’s pretty damn low. I really like this discussion, and hope for an awesome park through speculation is harmless fun in these shitty times. The fact you went out of your way to insult this guy shows a massive lack of maturity and self-awareness. 

Age is just a number, and just because you are 50 or older, doesn’t mean you are god. Your arrogance shows that. Please act better here my dude. 🙏🏻

Also, I love the idea of a park situated in Hunter Valley Gardens, gives me an Alton Towers sort of vibe! A coaster surrounded by awesome greenery would be breathtaking, definitely something Aussies would be proud of! If Merlin could turn a castle and it’s gardens into a theme park, I’m sure it could be a hit here.

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9 hours ago, themeparkman said:

Someone needs to buy all the land near Western Sydney airport and stop all the land going into housing developments, for the theme parks that will go in will have to be a Disneyland with Galaxy's Edge, Avengers Campus, Pandora of Avatar, make similar lands to what is in Disneyland and Disneyworld already, make the park be Californian themed, classic Disney themed and put some Australian theming in. Also include a Disneyland resort. 

The second theme park that would have to come in would have to be a Universal Studios with Harry Potter world with Hogwarts and Diagon Alley, Jurassic World themed area, King Kong themed area, the mummy themed area, transformers themed area and so on.

The alternative should be a six flags park with lots of thrill rollercoasters like the parks in the US. If a park wants to survive it needs decent roller coasters, decent thrill rides, no putt putt golf, no overly sized kids areas with crappy rides like many theme parks in Australia do. 

If only there was a thread, or a youtube video explaining why Disney (and even Six Flags) won't be building in Australia (yes, even in Sydney) anytime soon. I agree the Badgery's Creek Airport is RIPE for someone to come in with a greenfields plan - but I think you need to revise your expectations to a more 'plausible' level.

8 hours ago, pazzap said:

 

I'm out

Just for the record - i'm a grouchy bastard naturally and it has nothing to do with age. Jobe is older than me and is one of the nicest guys in this community that I know.

You've been here 17 years and contributed an average of 6 posts a year. I honestly don't think we're going to miss your offering of 'real feedback'. I've been here 17 years too, and in that time I don't think there's been another person (that wasn't a troll) that was so categorically unwilling to accept that anyone else would have a different point of view.

Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya. Adios.

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19 hours ago, pazzap said:

Of course I know the brand names but all the coasters you have suggested are terrible. Every single choice. You've specifically gone and made a park with the exact sort of brand names that Anka did, and they proved the model doesn't work. They had ONE decent coaster and even that is just the wrong choice (intamin 10 inversion rev b and their only big brand name).

In fairness, Wonderland Eurasia had a few decent coasters – the Intamin 10-inversion, the Zierer ESC, and the IE Park indoor looper. The Jet Rescue clone was arguably respectable too, if it had ever opened to the public.

Trip report here:

https://www.bannister.org/coasters/trips/2019/0518.htm#wonderland_eurasia

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On 23/09/2021 at 10:50 PM, Brad2912 said:

@pazzap if you are near 50 i feel sorry for you, because the way you have responded to @Jobe's thread and ideas is pre-teen level at best.

He put a heap of thought and effort into an idea, and for you to just jump on and throw shit at it, when he put more effort into one post than you have in all the contributions you have made in all your time coming in and out over the years is petulant at best. 

You don't have to agree with his plans, but as others have, engage in a discussion rather than acting like an arrogant dick.

 

I was arrogant cause he was arrogant. That fact that as a moderator you can't see this, is frightening. He also chased me to another topic to ONCE AGAIN completely twist my words, kind of like when someone quotes someone selectively. I respond to like with like. I genuinely wanted to participate in the topic and provide some ideas, but that quickly went out the window when he got personal, albeit in a very passive aggressive way. You have done no less than 2 personal attacks in this topic now yourself, so if I call you a fuckwit for calling me an arrogant dick, what, do *I* get banned? Is that how it works? Only one side can do it, and if they have contributed a lot over the years, is allowed to be a dick or arrogant? Gotcha. (It kinds of reminds me of a certain American political party's mantra) "It's ok when WE do it".

I was going to apologise if my initial post offended in any way, and remove the one you quoted, but then as I said he chased me down at another topic and completely made up a fantasy scenario about me. I defended myself, then put him on ignore. I am still willing to bury the hatchet  and accept my part and blame, as I can see from reading it back that I am surely to blame also,  if he does. Fair is fair.

And don't feel sorry for me.. I have a wonderful life. I did have a severe back injury which lost me almost 2 years of it, and I also had two deep tumor (thankfully benign) micro surgeries in my right ear which lost me another 3 to chronic vertigo and a lot of post op infections and illness (feel free to contact Mr Gary Sherman if you don't believe me, he will even tell you that's why I don't get sick on any flat ride, cause of all the adjustment my brain did to the vertigo, and even other interesting tidbits about how my hearing comes back when at full cruise altitude in a plane), but now I am back to working 10am to midnight or even later, 6 nights a week. I have been doing this (producing music) for 30 years since I was 19. I lost an entire ear after recording for years, and then I spent years re training how to mix with one. I lost a lot of time and money but that's how dedicated I am to my craft. If you want to feel sorry for me about THAT, well that's cool, and thanks. It was pretty harsh.

With all this, OF COURSE I am rarely at the forums. If I am not doing music, I am taking long trips (usually the 90 day maximum visa waiver if I go to the US, or shorter ones elsewhere) which I frankly deserve cause I sacrifice almost all social life and spending when I am in Melbourne, (all I do is save almost every cent) doing the thing we ALL love here. It's my favourite thing in this world, before even music, and if I ever won Powerball I know I would do something stupid and build a mini park and blow every cent of it. Anyway, that's why I barely contribute.. we are in lockdown now, but in normal day to day life, I just don't have time for internet forums. Even my pro music and my favourite forum of all time, gearspace.com, I rarely contribute to anymore. There just isn't enough hours in the day. I am sorry if that offends you that I only come here when bored, but that's my reality. Is that OK?

But to bury the hatchet, I will apologise for my role in being a dick and not giving a well laid out, constructive answer, instead answering in anger. I shouldn't have done that. I hold no ill will towards Jobe. Or anyone.

My advice, well opinion, on the thunderbolt stands, as they are awful, and I really do think the one existing hyper gtx in Kentucky, is amazeballs. They are so good that you could have a raptor and a GTX, a couple flats and have something that already kills the new LPS (imo) before it's even open. I really do like the idea of cheaper coasters, and am happy to do a serious bit of research to find what I consider to be much better alternatives in the same price range (and no, no maurer skyloops LOL, even though I think they are lots of fun).

Peace.

 

 

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2 hours ago, pazzap said:

I was arrogant cause he was arrogant.

Point out where this occurs for me. It doesn’t. Jobe put forward his ideas and you just shat on them 

2 hours ago, pazzap said:

That fact that as a moderator you can't see this, is frightening.

I’m not a moderator. 
 

 

2 hours ago, pazzap said:

You have done no less than 2 personal attacks in this topic now yourself

Only one - calling you an arrogant dick. Which I stand by. 

2 hours ago, pazzap said:

so if I call you a fuckwit for calling me an arrogant dick, what, do *I* get banned?

I don’t know, I’m not a moderator. 

2 hours ago, pazzap said:

I was going to apologise

meh. Apologise or not. I care little. But don’t say you’re going to then give reasons why you won’t. 

2 hours ago, pazzap said:

If you want to feel sorry for me about THAT, well that's cool, and thanks. It was pretty harsh.

Given I know none of your Personal story (until now) to insinuate my comment was some slant on hardships you’ve suffered is stupid. 
 

2 hours ago, pazzap said:

Peace

yep. 

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On 22/09/2021 at 3:59 PM, pazzap said:

I think Anka Park is proof that quantity over quality simply doesn't work. Mind you they also have a little more than 3x our population, so imagine that in a country of 26 million. If Wonderland failed so miserably, what you are proposing has zero chance.. it would never ever work.

Wonderland Eurasia ( as Anka Park opened as) failed not because of the ride choices. It failed due to a number of reasons- political unrest over the massive cost blowouts of the park ( reputed to have cost $750 million at conservative estimates), due to the unrest over this there was a change in political leadership which tried to reign in the costs before the park had even opened, poor construction values which left many attractions simply not available to be ready for opening day and lack of support from the local population against the cost of the project, when all most of them wanted was funds directed towards basic infrastructure like water and sewage than an overblown expensive theme park.

Comparing this failure to a plan for a medium sized regional park in Australia is simply not like for like and quite silly to even begin to go down tht route.

On 22/09/2021 at 3:59 PM, pazzap said:

If you want to talk realistic with actual rides any sane person opening a theme park would buy, then let's talk. That includes brand names, in other words.

Here is an example of your inconsistency. Here you are claiming that the ride choices in the hypotheticals are not name brands. In other words, manufacturers that people have heard of. Or rides that other parks would purchase. Yes? However, several posters (including myself) have already pointed out to you that the manufacturers selected are indeed well known and are very succesful in the industry. Yes the coasters selected are not top tier, but that was deliberate and explained in the original post. All of these rides, especially the flat rides selected, have multiple installations across the world in many and varied amusement/theme parks across the globe. Again , something that simply cannot be refuted.

On 23/09/2021 at 10:35 PM, pazzap said:

You are very cheeky, I was going by what you were saying and NOT using the main brand names, that doesn't mean I don't know the ones you used. They are just utter garbage and your park would 100% fail. I guarantee it.

And yet here you are trying to defend your previous assertion. Once again this is not fact but your own opinion. An opinion that I happend to believe is wrong. And I am not alone in that feeling. I am really not sure what you are trying to say here. Its very convoluted and smacks of backpedaling. I think you need to have a bex and a lie down, to be honest. Especially at your age.

On 23/09/2021 at 10:35 PM, pazzap said:

Of course I know the brand names but all the coasters you have suggested are terrible. Every single choice. You've specifically gone and made a park with the exact sort of brand names that Anka did, and they proved the model doesn't work. They had ONE decent coaster and even that is just the wrong choice (intamin 10 inversion rev b and their only big brand name).

 Once again. If you had prefaced your post with an "in my opinion" and toned down the arrogance a notch , then we wouldnt be having an issue. I explained that the coasters chosen WERE not from Top Tier manufacturers for a reason. Everyone seemed to be able to absorb that fact and accept it.

And I refute your opinions that the coasters are terrible choices. Yes they are not RMC or B&M's. Deliberate and stated in the discussion.

Whats your problem with the new Vekoma Inverts? By all accounts they are excellent rides and would form the centrepiece and signature ride of the park. If it opened tomorrow, it would immediately become a top tier coaster for Australia.

The Zamperla Lightning has had its issues, I accept that. By all accounts they can be rough. Opinion is mixed on these. However, they are a good layout ( you as much admitted that ) and the new gen trains should make the experience a far better one. It would still be a compelling coaster for the Australian market if installed. There have been several installtions of this type in parks around the world, so its hard to call the model a failure.

Similarly , the Zamperla Motocoaster also has several installations around the world. Yes , once again , its not the most well regarded coaster model out there, but it does have its fans and it offers a launch coaster that families can all ride at an economical price. The general public I think would find this a fun coaster.

The P&B is selected as  family coaster. Nothing more. Its interest lies in the fact that it is a moebius duelling coaster and the install that has been placed at the park in Italy looks great. 

The Technical Park water coaster I selected as the park needed a water flume ride and this was different than just a bog standard log flume. The example shown has excellent theming and is located in a smaller regional park in Italy , very similar in scope to what its purpose would be here.

The Zierer ESC have proven very successful and are excellent mid sized family coasters. @Noxegon has already attested to their excellent rideability and his opinion is far more respected and definitely one I would put above yours. Once again, I think that these rides present well.

On 23/09/2021 at 9:27 PM, Noxegon said:

The Reverchon Drifting Coaster is a heap of junk. Avoid at all costs.

Ha yeah I only included it as it looked interesting . Fair call lets remove this one from the list!

On 23/09/2021 at 10:35 PM, pazzap said:

Chance Hyper GTX  instead of Zamperla thunderbolt.

The Cance Hyper GTX does look like a good ride and by all accounts it has a lot of fans amongst enthusiasts. I had toyed with the idea of selecting this and I will give you this one. My only concern is that it has been available for a number of years and in all that time, only ONE park has selected it for an install. Thats despite it getting excellent reviews.  For my hypothetical situation,lets select this one instead of the Reverchon Drifting Coaster.

In regards to the flat rides I selected ( of which you only had criticism, sweeping statements and no real constructive feedback, they are my personal choices on what I would select if i had the decision. I have selected them deliberately and in my mind they offer an excellent balance of thrills, family rideability and enough uniqueness in the Australian theme park landscape as to make the HVG a sought after destination for these rides. Happy to hear other ideas from anyone but to say they are crap without any real analysis or expansive thinking just highlights the arrogance you came swinging in with. To this end I stand by my choices.

On 23/09/2021 at 10:35 PM, pazzap said:

No one wants to pay for a theme park unless the rides are spectacular. Just like Steel Taipan will not save Dreamworld.. one good coaster isn't enough.

Your opinion. Nothing more. 

On 23/09/2021 at 10:35 PM, pazzap said:

I don't know what you want to hear, do you want me to pamper your idea? You were quite rude where as I initially wasn't, telling me how "preposterous" I am.. so let me put it bluntly:

Yours is the worst idea for a theme park I have ever seen in my near 50 years. EVER. When I have seen really bad parks that fail, in the real world, and wonder to myself "how on Earth could someone even think this was a good idea, this sort of person doesn't exist in reality", you've gone and shown me that people who design terrible parks do exist.

The rudeness , as has been amply pointed out by several respected posters in this thread, started when you entered the conversation. I have been measured and calm in my response as I do not believe in histronics on a forum board.

You say you are nearly 50, however your responses so far have been at the maturity level of someone far below that lofty age claim. I am no giddy , unexperienced 16 year old , nor am I as old as you , however I recognise arrogance and rudeness when it is presented and I will not let it go without calling it out. If you wish to dial back the arrogance, the sweeping statements and the overall shitposting, then I am happy to interact with you on the boards, as I am with anyone. I feel you do have good knowledge and some great life experiences to relate if only you could access more social ettiquette.

On 24/09/2021 at 7:30 AM, DaptoFunlandGuy said:

Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya. Adios.

Amen to that!

 

So if we replaced the Reverchon Drifting Coaster with a Chance Hyper GTX this would then give the HVG  a total of 7 coasters (admittedly not Top Tier) but would give it arguably behind Movie World the best 3, 2 1 coaster punch in all of Australia currently. The Vekoma Invert is a class attraction followed by an enthusiast favourite in the Chance Hyper GTX and the Zamperla Lightning with the next gen trains. The other coasters provide a good backup to these 3 coasters, arguably the best supporting coaster lineup in Australia currently.

If the HVG was to open this park with this hypothetical coaster and flat ride lineup, would this be enough for any of you to immediately want to come and visit it? Curious to see if this would be a compelling park line up as to make Australian want to travel to visit it? 

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2 hours ago, Brad2912 said:

Point out where this occurs for me. It doesn’t. Jobe put forward his ideas and you just shat on them 

I’m not a moderator. 
 

 

Only one - calling you an arrogant dick. Which I stand by. 

I don’t know, I’m not a moderator. 

meh. Apologise or not. I care little. But don’t say you’re going to then give reasons why you won’t. 

Given I know none of your Personal story (until now) to insinuate my comment was some slant on hardships you’ve suffered is stupid. 
 

yep. 

I actually apologised, a real apology at the end of the previous post, and all I got was fuck you and more insults. Only one? Your first line to me deserved a right headbutt you condescending little turd. I'm, the immature one? My goodness man, take a look in the mirror. Sheesh.

as far as my story goes, I was being a smart ass you idiot, cause you were saying how sorry you felt for me about my life, so I turned it and gave you actual sad stuff that happened, where as you were actually just being an asshole and saying "I would be sorry to be you, you are so pathetic". I tried to flip it and I was even so kind about it, I didn't have a go at you for being so condescending, and even THAT you turn around and just be a prick again.

1 hour ago, Jobe said:

Wonderland Eurasia ( as Anka Park opened as) failed not because of the ride choices. It failed due to a number of reasons- political unrest over the massive cost blowouts of the park ( reputed to have cost $750 million at conservative estimates), due to the unrest over this there was a change in political leadership which tried to reign in the costs before the park had even opened, poor construction values which left many attractions simply not available to be ready for opening day and lack of support from the local population against the cost of the project, when all most of them wanted was funds directed towards basic infrastructure like water and sewage than an overblown expensive theme park.

Comparing this failure to a plan for a medium sized regional park in Australia is simply not like for like and quite silly to even begin to go down tht route.

Here is an example of your inconsistency. Here you are claiming that the ride choices in the hypotheticals are not name brands. In other words, manufacturers that people have heard of. Or rides that other parks would purchase. Yes? However, several posters (including myself) have already pointed out to you that the manufacturers selected are indeed well known and are very succesful in the industry. Yes the coasters selected are not top tier, but that was deliberate and explained in the original post. All of these rides, especially the flat rides selected, have multiple installations across the world in many and varied amusement/theme parks across the globe. Again , something that simply cannot be refuted.

And yet here you are trying to defend your previous assertion. Once again this is not fact but your own opinion. An opinion that I happend to believe is wrong. And I am not alone in that feeling. I am really not sure what you are trying to say here. Its very convoluted and smacks of backpedaling. I think you need to have a bex and a lie down, to be honest. Especially at your age.

 Once again. If you had prefaced your post with an "in my opinion" and toned down the arrogance a notch , then we wouldnt be having an issue. I explained that the coasters chosen WERE not from Top Tier manufacturers for a reason. Everyone seemed to be able to absorb that fact and accept it.

And I refute your opinions that the coasters are terrible choices. Yes they are not RMC or B&M's. Deliberate and stated in the discussion.

Whats your problem with the new Vekoma Inverts? By all accounts they are excellent rides and would form the centrepiece and signature ride of the park. If it opened tomorrow, it would immediately become a top tier coaster for Australia.

The Zamperla Lightning has had its issues, I accept that. By all accounts they can be rough. Opinion is mixed on these. However, they are a good layout ( you as much admitted that ) and the new gen trains should make the experience a far better one. It would still be a compelling coaster for the Australian market if installed. There have been several installtions of this type in parks around the world, so its hard to call the model a failure.

Similarly , the Zamperla Motocoaster also has several installations around the world. Yes , once again , its not the most well regarded coaster model out there, but it does have its fans and it offers a launch coaster that families can all ride at an economical price. The general public I think would find this a fun coaster.

The P&B is selected as  family coaster. Nothing more. Its interest lies in the fact that it is a moebius duelling coaster and the install that has been placed at the park in Italy looks great. 

The Technical Park water coaster I selected as the park needed a water flume ride and this was different than just a bog standard log flume. The example shown has excellent theming and is located in a smaller regional park in Italy , very similar in scope to what its purpose would be here.

The Zierer ESC have proven very successful and are excellent mid sized family coasters. @Noxegon has already attested to their excellent rideability and his opinion is far more respected and definitely one I would put above yours. Once again, I think that these rides present well.

Ha yeah I only included it as it looked interesting . Fair call lets remove this one from the list!

The Cance Hyper GTX does look like a good ride and by all accounts it has a lot of fans amongst enthusiasts. I had toyed with the idea of selecting this and I will give you this one. My only concern is that it has been available for a number of years and in all that time, only ONE park has selected it for an install. Thats despite it getting excellent reviews.  For my hypothetical situation,lets select this one instead of the Reverchon Drifting Coaster.

In regards to the flat rides I selected ( of which you only had criticism, sweeping statements and no real constructive feedback, they are my personal choices on what I would select if i had the decision. I have selected them deliberately and in my mind they offer an excellent balance of thrills, family rideability and enough uniqueness in the Australian theme park landscape as to make the HVG a sought after destination for these rides. Happy to hear other ideas from anyone but to say they are crap without any real analysis or expansive thinking just highlights the arrogance you came swinging in with. To this end I stand by my choices.

Your opinion. Nothing more. 

The rudeness , as has been amply pointed out by several respected posters in this thread, started when you entered the conversation. I have been measured and calm in my response as I do not believe in histronics on a forum board.

You say you are nearly 50, however your responses so far have been at the maturity level of someone far below that lofty age claim. I am no giddy , unexperienced 16 year old , nor am I as old as you , however I recognise arrogance and rudeness when it is presented and I will not let it go without calling it out. If you wish to dial back the arrogance, the sweeping statements and the overall shitposting, then I am happy to interact with you on the boards, as I am with anyone. I feel you do have good knowledge and some great life experiences to relate if only you could access more social ettiquette.

Amen to that!

 

So if we replaced the Reverchon Drifting Coaster with a Chance Hyper GTX this would then give the HVG  a total of 7 coasters (admittedly not Top Tier) but would give it arguably behind Movie World the best 3, 2 1 coaster punch in all of Australia currently. The Vekoma Invert is a class attraction followed by an enthusiast favourite in the Chance Hyper GTX and the Zamperla Lightning with the next gen trains. The other coasters provide a good backup to these 3 coasters, arguably the best supporting coaster lineup in Australia currently.

If the HVG was to open this park with this hypothetical coaster and flat ride lineup, would this be enough for any of you to immediately want to come and visit it? Curious to see if this would be a compelling park line up as to make Australian want to travel to visit it? 

My God man you can't even see your hypocrisy in your post,  literally telling me off for things you precisely do. Like somehow my opinion needs to be pointed out as opinion, but all this entire thread is just opinions.

Or selectively quoting me and once again completely missing the apology at the end.

I'll correct one thing.. when I said name brands, that was my bad, I meant more well known, top names. But you are such a nitpicker it is almost incredible.. You guys make fun of me but do you *seriously* have ANY kind of life? It's like you purposely drag it out to keep the conflict going, like you get off on it or something. It's incredible.

Re Zamperla, you specifically said the generation trains like at OWA.. I have ridden that very coaster and I am telling you it has potholes and you can come off it with a nasty headache. It's like you keep pushing the issue and just don't accept that I think they are a bad choice for ANY park.. what's wrong with you?

Jobe, Brad, you are two immature wankers, who are projectionists in every way and blame others for your own behaviour, then get butthurt when someone actually doesn't take your shit. 

A hypothetical park is nothing BUT opinions.. my goodness I am dealing with morons at a level I can't even fathom.

My initial comment that I didn't like your park idea was not even REMOTELY that bad to turn into this. Poly fucking Annas and then some.

This is what I am dealing with here.. "if you started with my opinion it would be ok".

I literally said, "I think". An opinion. But I didn't use the words that YOU wanted, and here you are literally telling me what to write. Who the fuck do you think you are?

Also, the semantics here are so obsessive and pathetic that it's just ludicrous.

I literally just offered to turn the whole thing around and research and be productive so we could move forward, and you both spat in my face. Unbelievable.

And you know what? When people resort to personal attacks over opinions on steel and bolts, they are the ones with the insecurities. You just couldn't handle that I didn't like your idea, and you got your little band together to have a go at me personally, on multiple levels. And then get surprised when I respond. The C word doesn't even cover it.

And here? Heck yes I have attacked you both personally, no one speaks to me like that, multiple times and after an apology no less, and gets to talk to me again. Ever. Go have your little chinwags like little school girls behind my back whilst I blissfully mute you and never see it again. I only pressed display this post, as I presumed this would be over, little did I know.. I SHOULD have known better, cause when PollyAnnas wanna fight, they do everything in their power to keep their fight going. 

That said, I asked via email, a few hours back ,for my profile and all topics to be deleted, as I honestly have much better things to do in life than defend myself to a bunch of projectionist losers..... A psychologist would have a field day with you, just the sheer hypocrisy and PURPOSEFUL continuation of conflict. Must be leftists/Antifa/ etc.

Hypocrites are the lowest form. Truly. I could literally spend an hour replying to every thing you said line by line, but that's what you want, and I just honestly believe you're a terrible person who is a warmonger, and I refuse to feed you anymore. 

"He literally quoted everything but the apology". You can't make this shit up.  FFS.

On 24/09/2021 at 3:57 AM, Gtmichaels said:

@pazzap I agree with @Brad2912, I’m just 18 even I know that’s pretty damn low. I really like this discussion, and hope for an awesome park through speculation is harmless fun in these shitty times. The fact you went out of your way to insult this guy shows a massive lack of maturity and self-awareness. 

Age is just a number, and just because you are 50 or older, doesn’t mean you are god. Your arrogance shows that. Please act better here my dude. 🙏🏻

Also, I love the idea of a park situated in Hunter Valley Gardens, gives me an Alton Towers sort of vibe! A coaster surrounded by awesome greenery would be breathtaking, definitely something Aussies would be proud of! If Merlin could turn a castle and it’s gardens into a theme park, I’m sure it could be a hit here.

No dickhead, they went out of their way to insult ME, on a deeply personal level. I insulted steel and bolts, you twit. Actually, I gave an opinion about steel and bolts. Massive lack of maturity and self awareness? Talking about yourself much?

All little pathetic keyboard warriors. What you consider "low" and what you don't, show a seriously screwed up set of morals, like, broken, and since you have no moral compass, don't you DARE ever virtue signal to me.

On another note, Yeah, the merlin and location idea is fine, the coasters aren't. 

 

 

 

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On 24/09/2021 at 7:30 AM, DaptoFunlandGuy said:

Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya. Adios.

Well. I just want to re-emphasise this very cogent point.

 

33 minutes ago, pazzap said:

I actually apologised, a real apology at the end of the previous post, and all I got was fuck you and more insults. Only one? Your first line to me deserved a right headbutt you condescending little turd. I'm, the immature one? My goodness man, take a look in the mirror. Sheesh.

as far as my story goes, I was being a smart ass you idiot, cause you were saying how sorry you felt for me about my life, so I turned it and gave you actual sad stuff that happened, where as you were actually just being an asshole and saying "I would be sorry to be you, you are so pathetic". I tried to flip it and I was even so kind about it, I didn't have a go at you for being so condescending, and even THAT you turn around and just be a prick again.

My God man you can't even see your hypocrisy in your post,  literally telling me off for things you precisely do. Like somehow my opinion needs to be pointed out as opinion, but all this entire thread is just opinions.

Or selectively quoting me and once again completely missing the apology at the end.

I'll correct one thing.. when I said name brands, that was my bad, I meant more well known, top names. But you are such a nitpicker it is almost incredible.. You guys make fun of me but do you *seriously* have ANY kind of life? It's like you purposely drag it out to keep the conflict going, like you get off on it or something. It's incredible.

Re Zamperla, you specifically said the generation trains like at OWA.. I have ridden that very coaster and I am telling you it has potholes and you can come off it with a nasty headache. It's like you keep pushing the issue and just don't accept that I think they are a bad choice for ANY park.. what's wrong with you?

Jobe, Brad, you are two immature wankers, who are projectionists in every way and blame others for your own behaviour, then get butthurt when someone actually doesn't take your shit. 

A hypothetical park is nothing BUT opinions.. my goodness I am dealing with morons at a level I can't even fathom.

My initial comment that I didn't like your park idea was not even REMOTELY that bad to turn into this. Poly fucking Annas and then some.

This is what I am dealing with here.. "if you started with my opinion it would be ok".

I literally said, "I think". An opinion. But I didn't use the words that YOU wanted, and here you are literally telling me what to write. Who the fuck do you think you are?

Also, the semantics here are so obsessive and pathetic that it's just ludicrous.

I literally just offered to turn the whole thing around and research and be productive so we could move forward, and you both spat in my face. Unbelievable.

And you know what? When people resort to personal attacks over opinions on steel and bolts, they are the ones with the insecurities. You just couldn't handle that I didn't like your idea, and you got your little band together to have a go at me personally, on multiple levels. And then get surprised when I respond. The C word doesn't even cover it.

And here? Heck yes I have attacked you both personally, no one speaks to me like that, multiple times and after an apology no less, and gets to talk to me again. Ever. Go have your little chinwags like little school girls behind my back whilst I blissfully mute you and never see it again. I only pressed display this post, as I presumed this would be over, little did I know.. I SHOULD have known better, cause when PollyAnnas wanna fight, they do everything in their power to keep their fight going. 

That said, I asked via email, a few hours back ,for my profile and all topics to be deleted, as I honestly have much better things to do in life than defend myself to a bunch of projectionist losers..... A psychologist would have a field day with you, just the sheer hypocrisy and PURPOSEFUL continuation of conflict. Must be leftists/Antifa/ etc.

Hypocrites are the lowest form. Truly. I could literally spend an hour replying to every thing you said line by line, but that's what you want, and I just honestly believe you're a terrible person who is a warmonger, and I refuse to feed you anymore. 

"He literally quoted everything but the apology". You can't make this shit up.  FFS.

No dickhead, they went out of their way to insult ME, on a deeply personal level. I insulted steel and bolts, you twit. Actually, I gave an opinion about steel and bolts. Massive lack of maturity and self awareness? Talking about yourself much?

All little pathetic keyboard warriors. What you consider "low" and what you don't, show a seriously screwed up set of morals, like, broken, and since you have no moral compass, don't you DARE ever virtue signal to me.

On another note, Yeah, the merlin and location idea is fine, the coasters aren't. 

 

 

 

I don’t really have much to add. I just wanted to quote you here because I want your extreme levels of imbalance, immaturity and plain whack job nastiness to be preserved for all prosperity 

You sir have won the internet for me today. Thank you for actually making me laugh out loud after reading your reply. Classic.

Now can we get back on topic? 
Cheers!! 

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4 hours ago, pazzap said:

No dickhead, they went out of their way to insult ME, on a deeply personal level. I insulted steel and bolts, you twit. Actually, I gave an opinion about steel and bolts. Massive lack of maturity and self awareness? Talking about yourself much?

All little pathetic keyboard warriors. What you consider "low" and what you don't, show a seriously screwed up set of morals, like, broken, and since you have no moral compass, don't you DARE ever virtue signal to me.

On another note, Yeah, the merlin and location idea is fine, the coasters aren't. 

 

 

 

“Pathetic keyboard warriors”? Bro look at what you’ve written… If you are so much more mature and smart than all of us, why even bloody respond? I’m sure you have better things to do with that massive brain of yours. It seems like you have a confidence issue, because you just reflect whatever we say back on us, and make no meaningful judgement (talking psychology, I actually study it haha). And I can already hear the “you’re not a psychologist” coming my way so don’t bother, more meaningful than not having any experience. 

I never called you names, only described your attitude, and if you can’t take that, and just throw insults back, yeh pretty lame. In reality, let’s say you really were insulted, that this whole forum is against you, and that you are so much better than all of us “morons”. STOP replying to us (cause it shows you’re clearly butthurt), and get a move on, plenty of other forums out there!

FYI: I only respond because I dislike people who think they’re top shit, and insult the awesome people on this site. And stop playing the victim card btw, not a good look.

Hate living in a time where people get offended from flies landing in their shit.

Alright, back on topic people! Still wondering if Sydney’s Wonderland is still making a comeback? Just give us an RMC and I can rest easy :)

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As much as I enjoy the dramatic arts, this thread has gone personal very quickly.

If I can move the attention back to the topic at hand. I disagree with pazzap when he states "...one good coaster isn't enough." I think it is to an extent, obviously one good coaster needs supporting attractions. But if my Wikipedia article reading habits are anything, Movie World's only coaster from 1995 - 2002 was a Vekoma SLC. Obviously not a world class attraction, and maybe played more of a supporting role, but it was a good enough ride to stand-out. Sea World did have a shabby looking smaller coaster before Corkscrew, but the Arrow Dynamic looper was really the attraction that serviced the park as their big attraction. I'm sorry if my historical recounting is inaccurate, I was only born in 03. 

But my main point is that one big roller-coaster is serviceable for a period of time. But what I do agree with pazzap on is quality over quantity. I think the park is better off saving up for 1 or 2 major roller-coasters rather than spilling their budget on 6 or 7 coasters from lower-tier manufacturers. 
However, a ride like Rollin' Thunder seems like a good investment for a smaller park to gain a steady stream attendance numbers. 

Which is what the park will be for a decade or two. Theme Parks are already a very costly industry, especially building a park from the ground up. We can't expect Disney or Universal to swoop in and spend hundreds of millions on building these big expensive attractions, Australia just isn't attractive enough for that to happen. For any park to enter the game, I think it needs to have it's eyes set small and work it's way upwards. 

I appreciate the thought that was put into the proposal, and it's certainly a very interesting discussion. It's a shame the thread has been hijacked by petty arguments. 

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