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Songcheng Legendary Kingdom in Nerang

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There an article in GCB about it and potential objections which was just posted online.

unfortunately it’s behind a paywall and New Ltd must be smartening up as even using my regular google search trip it still won’t let me open it - maybe someone else will have some more luck...

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I've been through a lot of the documents posted on PDonline. I can't see much meat there in terms of the theme park itself - emphasis on not being 'ride based' - still has plans for a huge concert hall type building, as well as a ski slope, while the rest of the experiences are said to be representative of australian and chinese culture... like gold panning. (rightio then).

certainly its the most detailed plan we've seen in a while, but as its an MCU, it's an uphill battle for them. It'll be interesting to see the substance of any objections they get.

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13 hours ago, Locke said:

Songcheng's Australian Legends World has been quietly progressing along, now out to public notice:

 

 Council has done nothing on this approval since the G.C.C.C. sent out the information request 4 months ago.  The developer has only sent the information request back to council yesterday. 

The council asked for a max height of 3 storey and the developer has come back "yesterday" and said ok we will go from 25 storeys to 20 storeys.

The “have your say submissions” you posted is sent out by the developer, not council. 

You make it sound like council are moving on the project but they have done nothing.

 

I still don’t understand why we are talking about a residential project on Parkz.

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8 minutes ago, Skeeta said:

 Council has done nothing on this approval since the G.C.C.C. sent out the information request 4 months ago.  The developer has only sent the information request back to council yesterday. 

The council asked for a max height of 3 storey and the developer has come back "yesterday" and said ok we will go from 25 storeys to 20 storeys.

The “have your say submissions” you posted is sent out by the developer, not council. 

You make it sound like council are moving on the project but they have done nothing.

 

I still don’t understand why we are talking about a residential project on Parkz.

Okay, I realise you don't like this project but try and be logical.

It's not a residential project, it's a multi-use project that includes entertainment facilities like a ski-field, theatres, boat riders that's why there is a thread on it.

Council gave them a complex information request to respond to, it takes many months to compile that sort of information and now it's with council again. This is not a simple project, consultants have to actually get this to work, you do understand that don't you?

This DA, contrary to what you wish, is progressing, (and for the record I have no connection to this project but the negativity on here is a pretty pathetic).

 

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26 minutes ago, Locke said:

 for the record I have no connection to this project but the negativity on here is a pretty pathetic

Despite your lack of connection, you do really jump to the defence of the project very quickly... so it's really hard to believe there isn't some interest on your behalf - even if it's just that you're a nearby landholder who thinks their property value will rise... (you don't have to be employed by the developer to have a 'connection') - so i'm really interested to find out just what your interest is in the project...

 

I wouldn't agree that people responding (other than yourself) are being negative. I think given history of proposals and developments of similar nature, there is overall 'reality' in the majority of responses. @Skeeta's reply is actually pure fact, with no opinion, other than his last line, which I think he's more than entitled to as is everyone here.

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43 minutes ago, Locke said:

Okay, I realise you don't like this project but try and be logical.

I have no feelings towards this project

43 minutes ago, Locke said:

It's not a residential project, it's a multi-use project that includes entertainment facilities like a ski-field, theatres, boat riders that's why there is a thread on it.

We have loads of topics. 

To name a few non-theme park topics.  Top Golf, Imax Sydney,  Fake ski slope, Ekka,  Finally getting my passport! Yay!!!, Thankyou, Mark Shaw's sleep over, Commonwealth Games, What car do you drive? Let's talk Shit. etc.

 

58 minutes ago, Locke said:

This is not a simple project, consultants have to actually get this to work, you do understand that don't you?

Yes

1 hour ago, Locke said:

This DA, contrary to what you wish, is progressing

 

I have no wishes. 

Responding to an information request doesn’t guarantee anything.

MW also continued with the application after the information request for the car park and was knocked back.  (Local member William Owen-Jones from council was having meetings with MW and posting all over his Facebook he was excited what MW was doing and he voted against the car park)

DW tried 10 plus time to get a Town Centre approved and ended up selling the land.

I can list 100’s more applications refused for the Gold Coast that replied to an information request.

 

1 hour ago, Locke said:

but the negativity on here is a pretty pathetic).

I don't care what happens with this res development but I only give it around 10% chance of getting off the ground.

 

 

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1 hour ago, AlexB said:

Despite your lack of connection, you do really jump to the defence of the project very quickly... so it's really hard to believe there isn't some interest on your behalf - even if it's just that you're a nearby landholder who thinks their property value will rise... (you don't have to be employed by the developer to have a 'connection') - so i'm really interested to find out just what your interest is in the project...

 

Wow, this place really is paranoia central.

No, I just don't like people who are for no reason against a project that will bring major investment to the Gold Coast and new attractions.

ATM, it's a field, anything is better than what is there now.

Maybe you're against it because you have an interest in maintaining the status quo? How is that for a more likely scenario? Frankly I wonder if some people on here just don't want any new competition on the coast or maybe they're just xenophobic against Chinese investment? 

 

1 hour ago, Skeeta said:

I can list 100’s more applications refused for the Gold Coast that replied to an information request.

And I can list tens of of thousands that succeeded. 

This is a normal application process. 

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I believe that’s the point... everyone on the Gold Coast is well versed in the “If it’s flooded, forget it” tagline which appears everywhere during storm season. This basically is a way of using the councils own public safety campaign against the development. 

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If you're protesting something it's not good to have as your main argument something that the other side can negate with a consultant report. 

Anyway, it won't be approved if it floods so it's a pointless point to protest.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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It floods because its on a flood plain of the nerang river. 

None of that has mattered to previous councils who have reduced or changed flood plains for both nerang and coomera rivers, then stood back with hands in the air when people have their yards and houses go under though. 

Raising the land a few meters to negate everything but the most severe flooding should not be allowed at the expense of getting rid of overflows. It pushes water into areas that were never at risk previously and effectively creates fast flowing creeks that are dangerous to members of the public, but also strip the land bare due to fast flowing currents.

Litetally every major suburb with a creek that drains into these rivers and has been opened up for development is guilty of this. It probably started back when they realigned the nerang river at broadbeach. Not much has changed since, other than the number of houses. 

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On 2/10/2018 at 4:02 PM, Locke said:

If you're protesting something it's not good to have as your main argument something that the other side can negate with a consultant report. 

Anyway, it won't be approved if it floods so it's a pointless point to protest.

Flooding is one of many arguments this group has.

1. Flooding & Emergency Evacuation

2. Building Heights & Visual Character

3. Density of the development

4. Impact on Amenity

5. Environmental Issues

6. Access – traffic

7. Major earthworks

8. Economic issues

 

 

 

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Ha-ha Garuda GC Corporation Pty Ltd, Queensland Airports Limited & Gold Coast North Chamber of Commerce have all written an identical submission for support for the development.  It is almost like somebody is telling them what to say.

 

14 February 2018

Assessment Manager

Council of the City of Gold Coast

PO Box 5042

Gold Coast MC QLD 9729

E: mail@goldcoast.qld.gov.au

Dear Sir / Madam,

RE: DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION MCU

201700907 (PN219775/13/DA6) – AUSTRALIAN LEGEND

WORLD, 4 LAKEVIEW DRIVE, NERANG

I wish to lodge a letter of support for the Songcheng (Australia) Development Pty Ltd Development

Application for a Preliminary Approval for a Material Change of Use, City of Gold Coast Reference

No:- 201700907.

I strongly support this project, which will provide the following significant benefits to the Gold Coast:-

•Attract additional visitation to the Gold Coast for both international and domestic tourists.

•Provide a unique experience for visitors which will likely lead to longer stays.

•Increase tourism related expenditure on the Gold Coast

•Construction expenditure impacts of $400 million direct and $420 million indirect during the two year construction period, that will continue to see significant investment flowing into and throughout the city’s economy.

•The creation of over 620 jobs on-site and 1,000 jobs off-site during the post Commonwealth Games construction period.

•Attraction of a network of new local businesses to support the ongoing requirements of the project.

• will complement the existing social and cultural offerings of the city for residents and visitors alike and result in additional world-class social and cultural infrastructure.

•It will complement the facilities at the existing sports and entertainment precinct at Carrara.

I acknowledge that further technical investigations are required to be undertaken by Songcheng and its project team as is the standard case for a Preliminary Approval process, however the massive potential benefits of this project not only to the Gold Coast, but the entire south-east Queensland region necessitate Council’s approval of the development application to give Songcheng the confidence to continue to invest in this city and undertake this additional work in accordance with the planning process.

 

I think Songcheng thought Gold Coast City Council development approvals are approved once to get the Mayor to dance.

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Good, they should support it!

As if the NIMBY's on the coast don't do the same thing when they oppose projects though - so many objections you see look almost identical. Look at how they stopped the ASF Casino on the Spit, the organisation of NIMBYs far exceeds that of any proponents of projects.

At least groups like Garuda will invest billions of dollars into the GC, go have a look at their Southport project 'Star of the Sea' it's a great look project and will be iconic for Southport. 

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Some changes (from the Bully):

A GIANT fibreglass Uluru and a replica of the Captain Cook’s HMS Endeavour are gone from the latest plans, but Chinese theme park developer Songcheng still hopes to build the world’s biggest indoor ski centre on its 45ha site at Carrara.

The preliminary designs have also swapped a quirky man-made network of boat-filled waterways for an expansion and rejuvenation of existing wetland areas, which the company says say will mitigate the risk of exacerbated flood levels from the site.

 

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 @Locke I've been over all 300+ objections and not one is almost identical.

The get out of my town campaign has done a very good job.

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1 hour ago, Locke said:

 

A GIANT fibreglass Uluru and a replica of the Captain Cook’s HMS Endeavour are gone from the latest plans,

 

Jabree Ltd who work for the traditional owners of the land have had to submit a letter to Town Planing to tell them that the project has not received compliance with the Aboriginal Cultural Heritage Act 2003.

For DW it was seven years in the making for Corroboree.  Corroboree was created in consultation with indigenous language groups and people from throughout Australia and the Torres Strait Islands who shared their intimate knowledge of native culture, storytelling, artwork and relationship with the surrounding environment.

DW worked with the Indigenous community ( Yugambeh people who are the traditional owners) and DW didn't do anything that wasn't approved by them.

Uluru was always a pie in the sky.

 

1 hour ago, Locke said:

The preliminary designs have also swapped a quirky man-made network of boat-filled waterways for an expansion and rejuvenation of existing wetland areas, which the company says say will mitigate the risk of exacerbated flood levels from the site.

 

All the signs are there that this company doesn't know what it's doing.

What percentage now remains a theme park and what percentage is now residential?

Rejuvenation of existing wetland areas, which the company says say will mitigate the risk of exacerbated flood levels only deals with the water on the mentioned site.  What about the water that overflows of the site and floods on the other side of Nerang-Broadbeach Rd.  Where does that water go?

 

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Why did you remove the picture?

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