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The monorail track has been completely removed from the eastern boundary and over the carpark

I visited both parks in July last year. It was definitely busy that time of year, but I imagine it gets much busier later in summer too. Both parks are huge though, which helps spread out the crowds; the biggest queues I encountered were for Voltron at Europa Park (which had only been open two months at this point) at around 90-120 minutes for the normal queue (I used the single rider queue every time). I was visiting by myself, so I made pretty extensive use of single rider queues, so some of my advice might not be totally accurate. Efteling roughly forms a circle, which makes it easy to move through the park as the day goes on. The big high-G rides there are all concentrated in the same place out the back though, so you might find yourself going back and forth, which can take a bit of time. If your partner is happy doing indoor roller coasters, then I'd highly recommend Vogelrock, as it wouldn't be any more intense than Jungle Rush, and honestly it was one of my favourites there. The grounds and gardens and random attractions all over the place are also really worth seeing, so definitely take your time as you walk through the park. The layout of Europa Park is far more chaotic, and I'd say it's probably impossible to see everything in a one day visit. I've gone twice now, and there's plenty of things I haven't tried, and probably some areas I haven't even walked through yet. It'll be pretty easy to balance out high-G rides with smaller/dark rides, as they're all pretty evenly distributed around the park. Down the front of the park you've got the Eurosat CanCan Coaster that's in the big dome. Both trips I've been surprised by how much I enjoyed it, and it's not too intense (probably similar to Jungle Rush, just a bit longer). Silver Star (the B&M hyper) is right there too, and that's a solidly enjoyable ride, but it often has some of the longest queues in my experience. Unless you're desperate to get on a B&M hyper, I'd prioritise several other rides first. If you've been on Steel Taipan, then you can probably prioritise other rides over Blue Fire (it's still a great ride though). Arthur is a really fun and pretty tame ride, that's definitely worth getting on because of how unique it is. And obviously I'd recommend Voltron as a must ride, there's pretty much nothing like it. My recommendations for must-do rides at Europe Park would be (in no particular order): Voltron, Blue Fire, Eurosat, Euromir, Arthur, Silver Star, Wodan. I've just then visited other rides/attractions as I've walked between those ones. I don't have any great recommendations for food at either park, because I've never gone out of my way to find food. For accomodation, I'd recommend trying to stay close to Europa Park. It's fairly straightforward to get there from elsewhere, but it can take a while on trains + buses (I was staying in Heidelberg and had a 2-3 hour trip each way last time I visited. Freiburg is only about 1-1.5 hours away, and is where I'd recommend if you don't want to stay in Rust itself). Efteling is also quite accessible, and it's much closer to big cities like Amsterdam or Rotterdam. Personally, I found the longer vlogs from Coaster Studios and Theme Park Worldwide to be really useful for getting a sense of what's in each park, and roughly how to get around. Feel free to fire away with any additional questions you've got too!

Okay, managed to pin down 2 parks on our EU trip this year - Europa and Efteling look to be the parks closest to our travel route. I'd also considered Phantasialand and Walibi NL, but they will be too far away. So, they will be single-day summer visits. If you have been to either Europa or Efteling since 2022, let me know any tips or must-do's. I would ride almost anything once, but would probably prefer to not do high-G rides back to back. My other half cannot do anything more intense than Jungle Rush. Also, what websites/video channels are good for EU Park visit guides? Of course I'll post pics/report when I can.

I think because they were working on the assumption that most people would understand fence = don't enter... Unfortunately it doesn't matter how many fences or signs you put up - some people think they don't apply to them if they just need to retrieve their hat.

JDS and RRRC are both attractions kids and parents can enjoy. Honestly - I get why some enthusiasts would want to remove it but the attraction is one of the best children's attractions on the gold coast. It's a capacity monster for little kids. Adults (even those without children) can ride it, and it's a fun 'mini movie world' (albeit outdated) that is really cool to walk through. I hate that it replaced LTRR and wish LTRR still existed, but at this point i'm not going to advocate removing it. Meant to? Yes. Achieved? No. Honestly there's still plenty of teenagers that are fearful of 'big coasters' and WOZ does nothing to dispel that fear. There is still a gap in the lineup and coasters should never have been the solution to plug that gap. Once Speedy got the minimum height (which on behalf of all ride operators I 100% agree was required) it should have been taken out - it no longer serves any purpose that JDS cannot fulfill. The park cannot close it's kiddie land for 18 months. They'd have to bring in temporary flats which would look like garbage and crowd out the rest of the park. You don't need to shut the area - you need to take back the maintenance shed\LTRR showbuilding, fit it out internally as an all weather attraction space, THEN you can close off the other half of the land and develop it. So, basically everything I said at the beginning - looks like this plan has some support! Out of all the attractions in WB Kids - and you want to axe the most popular? makes no sense.

I'd axe JDS, and turn the building into a Cavu Quest based on an ACME factory.

My idea would be to somehow gut the area. Keep Road Runner, JDS (but update it), Marvin, the Parents Room and Arcade but flatten everything else and bring it indoors. Something like this at the WB park in Abu Dhabi could work but on a lower budget: perhaps a combination of matte paintings, more space between buildings and building facades closer to the walls (rather than building the whole building) could work. This would not only reduce having to spend money on repaints thanks to the sun but allow a difference to the other parks in having an indoor kids section. On a hot summer day in January where the park gets the most visitors, most families would likely rather be inside an air-conditioned indoor kids section rather than standing right in the heat.

the area really should be their next area of major investment alongside the Dc Supervillians area, if i were to do it i would; - update JDS to the current park set up (removing Arkham, adding Rivals, Flash & WoO.) - remove Taxis, Tweety’s and Yosemite Sam’s + relocate Marvin to where the old Pounce and Bounce use to be. - relocate the parents room towards the front of the land, either behind the Arcade or next to JDS. - install a Zamperla Nebulaz, and 2-3 other flat rides in the left side of the land all the past attractions use to occupy, maybe even a small kiddie coaster could work (like the Daddy Pig coaster in Florida.) - reopen Sam’s / build a food outlet, the closest one to the area would be frozen coke / gotham city cafe but i think having atleast a smaller food outlet would work in there.

Absolute ridiculous to remove JDS. People who even contemplate this demonstrate they have no kids between 3 and about 8, or have paid zero attention to how busy this is during the holiday season. The reason for having JDS and speedy taxis was because speedy taxis never used to have a minimum height restriction. If your kid could co-ordinate feet standing on a button and being able to turn a steering wheel, they could go on the attraction. If they had real money to spend, you really need to shut the area for maybe 18 months and give serious consideration for enclosing the whole area. Either, actually indoors or another canopy setup in similar guise to main street. In a country with some of the harshest sun/uv on the planet, the place is a concrete canyon.

i think the ride is very close to completion, we know they still have one more exterior waterfall to turn on. i still have hope that they’ll paint the black walls inside the temple (which would make sense to do after these holidays as it’s the quietest part of the year), and maybe add some fog / mist effects on the entries and exits of the temple.

Knowing what the park’s awful management is like these days, it’ll probably remain where it is now permanently.

Nah, they were in the other tunnels on the walls (and possibly under the track as well, it was hard to tell when travelling through there so quickly).

The Bats? They've been there for a couple months now. Still waiting on (presumably) some Spiders...

They need one to keep out people with under 5 iq from jumping the fence.

If WoO had more than just rollercoasters, then yes. Kids that age need to fill a whole day too. Right now, their options are all coasters (including Scooby) and maybe WWF if it's operating. Rides with small footprints like a Nebluaz, Condor, or ABC Interactive tower, would all have been solid additions to WoO and could easily have been themed to suit. It will be hard to add them later because so much space is wasted on the emerald city queue lines.

The fence was always inadequate because a pool fence is only designed to keep children up to 5 out.

This is the 2nd similar comment regarding the gap in coverage - isn't this the premise of what WoO was meant to fill?

The problem with wb kids as others have pointed out is that 1) the land as a whole has barely been touched up in 25 years and 2) apart from road runner there’s not much to do for guests who find the kiddie rides boring and the likes of superman and rivals too scary 1. Remove the taxis and JDS 2. Move the maintenance area on the other half of the JDS building to another facility within the park (or build a new shed like at sea world) to free up space for a JDS replacement 3. Replace JDS with a family dark ride. Make it like a looney tunes take on the great movie ride. 4. Re evaluate all the existing rides except Marvin the Martian and road runner, remove the ones at the end of their service lives and replace with similar models. 5. Install a nebulaz as an extra ride to occupy the middle ground between the kiddy rides and everything else. Provides good kinetics at every park that has one. 6. Repaint and touch up all existing buildings, signage, and fixtures. This way you have 3 rides in the land that both kids and parents can enjoy as opposed to just one, with all 3 having a low height requirement. This should be the bare minimum because some families aren’t going to go to Oz or west or scooby. People with young kids spend a lot of time in that land on its own.

Never really been a fan of that driving school, they should at least rebrand it to something Looney Tunes related

Cartoon Network Cartoon Beach, Sesame Street Beach, Beach Break Bay and now Nickelodeon Land. It’s crazy it’s gone through that many in the same time that Kids WB has existed and hasn’t really changed. They did add the carousel and pounce n bounce (which didn’t last long). But I 100% agree that this land needs some love. The lineup of attraction isn’t bad (a part from having double driving attractions), but the whole area just feels tired and could certainly benefit from a full refurb and addition of new rides. Just take a look at Warner Bros. World in Abu Dhabi and their Cartoon Junction land. You could certainly take inspiration from this and transform the entire show building to be to this level. Also look at their ride lineup and the way they are themed for inspiration. https://www.wbworldabudhabi.com/en/explore-the-lands/cartoon-junction

Honestly for a children's area, there's nothing wrong with that, as long as there is some thought put into the models and how they would be themed. There's a real opportunity to spruce up WB Kids. The land itself has remained virtually untouched for around 20 years. Sure Marvin got plonked on an old seating area, and JDS rejigged the traffic a little from how it was with LTRR, but overall the bones of the land haven't been messed with in a long time - in that time Sea World has been through at least two generations of their kids land, and Dreamworld has been through FOUR.

This is what happens when you install a consumer grade solution in a commercial grade environment. Well gee, it must cost them so much money to pay for all those safety managers they've got nothing left to develop a creative solution that preserves the illusion and theme. Let's just wrap every ride in westfield grade blank white hoarding. It seems to me like they realised when demolishing the hut that they needed to run power elsewhere, installed something temporary across Speedy because it was the closest structure to the tree, but then once the arcade was finished, nobody bothered to put it back in what was obviously a less noticeable spot.

Fair enough, I never noticed it back then. It’s definitely much more of an eyesore where it is now.

They used to run from that old delapidated hut that was recently demolished for the arcade construction, evidently there's more running to it now though

You mean Pico Play?