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The quality of Dreamworld

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I am really getting sick of people always been down on dreamworld.. There is nothing wrong with dreamworld, yes eureka is closed and that sucks, but we are getting a new accellerator, which is great. movieworld.. dreamworld.. movieworld... dreamworld.. the are BOTH great parks. i love them BOTH to death, and i am sick of dreamworld being criticised so much.

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Yeah, Dreamworld isn't bad. It's kind of like the Six Flags of Australia. It's alittle ran-down and but it makes' it up with its awesome coasters!

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Thanks for the pics Matt, hope the ride turns out to be good and if not then semi good at least.

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Yeah, Dreamworld isn't bad. It's kind of like the Six Flags of Australia. It's alittle ran-down and but it makes' it up with its awesome coasters!
Are you being sarcastic? Awesome coasters? I don't think Dreamworld and awesome coasters should go together in the same paragraph. You make it sound like DW actually has a large or reasonable number of coasters and that the coasters they do have are really good. Neither of those are true

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well no but dreamworld is a large successful part with consistantly high attendance, and IS making a great effort by installing a new rollercoaster, and they are not chump change. It also is the largest and has the most dynamic range of attractions, and to be completely honest from what i see from movieworld and dreamworld they are both in similar condition overall movieworld maybe slightly ahead in condition, but personally i think they are getting slacker to what they used to be. But seriously damage happens, when you have thousands and thousands of visitors a day wear and tear occurs, it's just a part of life. I have noticed some small changes and repairs dreamworld has made, which actually surprised me they were doing such things. Anyway my point. Stop bitching about dreamworld, you could do alot worse than a 250 million dollar park And enjoy the new rollercoaster!! i am so excited about it :)

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There is nothing wrong with dreamworld
Honestly? All the parks on the Gold Coast have their problems. Even Disneyland isn't perfect. As I've said before, things would be very boring around here if all we did was endlessly praise all the parks. I think there's little denying that Dreamworld, of the parks on the Gold Coast, is in need of the most attention. You wouldn't hear of a restaurant with faded paint, gum stuck to the floor and only one waiter working when the place is full. You certainly wouldn't go back in a hurry. That's not to say that the other parks don't suffer from similar problems, but certainly not to the extent of Dreamworld. Macquarie Leisure are commited to the park, but their strategy is one which will make a good park, but as it currently stands, it'll never make a great park, even by Gold Coast standards. Growing up Dreamworld was always my favourite park. It remained this way for me until the early 2000s. Then as Movie World started to really get itself into shape starting with Scooby-Doo in 2002, Dreamworld seemed to step back by cutting costs ("improving operating efficiency") and focusing only on maximising specific revenue streams rather than the overall product. To me, over the years the two parks with the most prevalent idendity were Dreamworld and Sea World. Both knew exactly who they were, and as a visitor you could feel it throughout both parks. Dreamworld has lost its but yet Sea World's still very much what it always has been.

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I agree with Richard 100%. Dreamworld needs some attention, and some serious attention. Its all well to say that we are revamping the park by adding new rides, but the problem isn't that. The problem is the obvious lack of investment into the other attractions the park has. A prime example of this is the Tower of Terror, and the Giant Drop. To my, my impression of the park is there are 2 things which bother me about the park, which I can think of at the top of my head. These are: 1. The lack of decent infrastructure, and the continued dilapidation of the current infrastructure. 2. The lack of attention to Detail. When anything happens at Dreamworld, it seems as though someone has gone, oh thats good enough, when really it isn't good enough. I have 2 examples of this. If you take a closer look at the Paint Job on the Renovated Central Park Railway Station, it isn't very good. The coat of paint on the building & the fences are so thin, you can literally see the green underneath it, which was previously there. Another example, has anyone been to the park in recent times, and noticed these white, shed looking things in River-town, and under the Tower of Terror? They look horrible. Not only do they ruin that whole River-town theme, but they just look so ugly, and out of place. Sure the times are changing, but Dreamworld has turned from a literally DREAM to Six Flags Magic Mountain. Thats not good. The park is Dirty, and broken. I would happily give up any new rides & attractions for 3 years for a complete overhaul & clean up of the park. But as I said, the park is Dirty & it is broken, and there are 2 people to blame, I am just unsure of which one is really to blame. But they are MLE for not investing enough money into the general upkeep of the park, or Dreamworld Management for not spending the time/ money to keep the park from turning into Six Flags Australia.

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Ah, this age old debate, time for me to dip in...

There is nothing wrong with dreamworld
Well that is blatant fanboyisim for ya. As Richo has said all parks have problems, but it is a complete joke to say there is nothing wrong with DW: -Lower theming standards compared to other parks -On a ride by ride basis MWs coasters could be viewed as superior to DWs equivalents (The launchers, the loopers, the kids coasters and the mad mouses) -Worst F&B coupled with highest prices. -Horrendous capacity/efficiency on key attractions (GD and Cyclone in particular) -Have failed to grow overall park capacity in line with attendance growth, have actually closed major attractions without suitable replacement (Eg Chairlift, Thunderbolt) -Park is actually getting smaller, for example with the loss of blue lagoon, continued lack of utilisation of the thunderbolt site (While WWW has effectively replaced Blue Lagoon, it still remains that you are getting less for your money with the DW line up) -Lower levels of cleanliness and upkeep. -Lack of major investment in the park, spends less on rides/attractions than other parks. I mean MW has done pretty major things, rides like SDSC and SE have both cost $12 million, WWF cost $20 million back in the day, they even spent $5 million on a filler attraction like Batwing, DW typically spends half as much as MW, The Claw was $6 million for instance, Cyclone was $5.5 million. I give DW credit for building a new coaster though -Declining attendance, it doesn't really effect us but something is wrong with the place if that is happening, considering the GC is in a boom at the moment.
Are you being sarcastic? Awesome coasters? I don't think Dreamworld and awesome coasters should go together in the same paragraph. You make it sound like DW actually has a large or reasonable number of coasters and that the coasters they do have are really good. Neither of those are true
Agreed, DWs coaster fill out the park, but there is nothing noteworthy about them, Reptar is a cloned kids coaster, TOT was impressive when it was new, but better launch technology and better applications of this technology have left it in the cold (SE beats it pretty well in terms of theming, excitment, forces, capacity etc), Eurkea is an old favourite, too bad its not going. Again rides like SDSC have beaten it, with a longer, better themed ride with less of a queue. As for Cyclone, its OK, but nothing "awesome". Its fellow Arrow cousin down on the spit is a better, smoother ride, and you dont have to wait an hour to get on it.
Anyway my point. Stop bitching about dreamworld, you could do alot worse than a 250 million dollar park
You could also do a lot better...... One thing DW does have going for it is its size, but quantity alone doesn't make a good park, and it is evident a lot of people feel this way. And I 100% agree with Richo and T-Bones' sentiments, the place had a magic about it when it was 10 years ago and commercialism was less rampant in the park, and they were building ground breaking stuff like GD and TOT within years of each other, but the place has changed, and at the same time MW has jumped in front with its standards, making DW look pale in comparison. But Ill end on this note, if "people [are] always been (sic) down on dreamworld" then it is clear that the park isn't meeting their expectations. I mean if there was this one person who was a little bugger on the forums and just did nothing but bash DW without reason then I could see how you would get frustrated, but the thing is many people are displeased with the state of the place...can you really say all these people are wrong? You cant expect to be like a real estate agent and say "nah nah, there's nothing wrong, a lick of paint and it will be fine" and have people just agree with you. Edited by Gazza

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I am really getting sick of people always been down on dreamworld.. There is nothing wrong with dreamworld,
I'm also sick of people putting down Dreamworld. But to say there's nothing wrong with DW is a bit OTT. DW needs revamping i toally agree with the other posters about that. I enjoy visiting DW and MW and you can certainly see the difference between the 2 parks. I really hope DW picks up it's game and fixes the place up.

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Even if the claw was only 6 million, it is still a good ride with good capacity. I say that and I don't even like the claw it makes me sick! (well it's ok , i did my first time last week haha) Dreamworld is my fave park, not just thrill rides, not just boring rides aka sea world, but all rides. they have BB. bad things though, closure of rides with no replacement. and theming. such as the log ride. it needs themeing!

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I'm also sick of people putting down Dreamworld. But to say there's nothing wrong with DW is a bit OTT. DW needs revamping i toally agree with the other posters about that. I enjoy visiting DW and MW and you can certainly see the difference between the 2 parks. I really hope DW picks up it's game and fixes the place up.
Look i think there is a strong bias on this site because many seem to be employed by WVTP. and for some strange reason instead of focus on what is good with things they focus on whats bad. Dreamworld is the only fullday themepark in australia. The queues aren't that bad (except public holidays). It has a totally different vibe from Movieworld which for that matter only came good with the superman escape. Its condition isn't too bad and it is clean, i seldom ever see trash around the park. Might have a bit of wear and tear but not alot more than movieworld by comparason. It has several record breaking rides. Tower of terror when built was the fastest tallest ride in the world, giant drop still holds the record for tallest freefall ride on earth and is the only ride i find i still get a bit nervous on. The claw is the only gyro swing in the southern hemisphere. The cyclone was cheap to purchase for dreamworld at 3 million plus 2.5 million in installation and themeing. But that doesn't mean that ride when new was 3 million i am sure it was quite expensive. Personally i think it's a much better arrow than corkscrew mainly because the ride time of the corkscrew is very short after the lift hill. Also not as rough as vekoma SLC which though since had maintainence and is much improved still has errorness calculations in the corkscrew type elemement and produces far too much lateral force and bashes your head around unless you brace it against the side padding. Dreamworld has a full range of children's rides and attractions including a decent vekoma suspended family coaster that is well themed and bright coloured. As well as rides focuses on the very young. Also has dodgems!! gotta love dodgems. They are investing in a large scale accellerator which no one seems to be interested in really. I find the excruciating given the amount of coverage and interest there was for the SE... and this new one will be first of its kind. Only intamin motorcycle accellorator and i think it will be great fun. Look yes wildwest falls is better than the log ride. WWF is nearly 20 years newer wasn't built inhouse and was the most expensive investment made by WBMW to day at 16 million. Given that people still love the log ride and still ride it and there is nothing wrong with it. Dreamworld is a well established high attended themepark that has proved its worth over more than 20 years. It has provided us all with a great amount of entertainment and although could use a little TLC in some areas, it is hardly run down and it definitely diserves more credit than it is given. Too many people want to complain about too much. eg batwing spaceshot and themeing. Everybody enjoy the fact that queensland has soo many themeparks and embrace them instead of bag them. Constructive criticism fine.. but slamming and slagging all the time.. not fine!

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Look i think there is a strong bias on this site because many seem to be employed by WVTP. and for some strange reason instead of focus on what is good with things they focus on whats bad.
That sounds a bit odd to me, VRTP employees (Joz, DjRappa, Rabid to name a few) actually seem more level headed than most forum members.
Dreamworld is the only fullday themepark in australia.
'Full Day' is such a subjective thing though, SW is most definitley a full day park, WnW would be one too. The amount of time you spend is really up to the individual. I have said this before, but maybe the reason MW isn't a full day park is because you spend less time queueing and more time riding. Im sure many members on here have done a SE marathon....try doing that on the TOT or Cyclone.
The queues aren't that bad (except public holidays).
I think the general consensus is that DW has pretty bad queues; Cyclone, GD, TOT in particular. The Log ride, Thunder river and Eurkea get bad too, I think you are glossing over the truth. Regardless they have the worst queues of all the GC parks and that perhaps contributes to their reputation. In fact Richo wrote IMO one of the best articles on this site about the DW capacity issue back in R-Cs early days, have a read here: http://www.roller-coaster.com.au/article.php?aid=14
It has several record breaking rides. Tower of terror when built was the fastest tallest ride in the world, giant drop still holds the record for tallest freefall ride on earth and is the only ride i find i still get a bit nervous on. The claw is the only gyro swing in the southern hemisphere.
Having a record, having held one in the past, or having some other interesting tidbit does not make a ride good or bad. Who cares if the Claw is the only one in the Southern Hemisphere? There are bugger all parks in the southern hemisphere anyway. And so what about a ride holding a record, I had a look at last years results for the Mitch Hawkers Steel Coaster poll, and of the the top 20, only one has held a world record (Millennium force)
Dreamworld has a full range of children's rides and attractions including a decent vekoma suspended family coaster that is well themed and bright coloured. As well as rides focuses on the very young. Also has dodgems!! gotta love dodgems.
MW ticks all thoses boxes too. On a side note children's areas are done pretty nicely by all our parks, its not really part of the issue.
They are investing in a large scale accellerator which no one seems to be interested in really. I find the excruciating given the amount of coverage and interest there was for the SE... and this new one will be first of its kind. Only intamin motorcycle accellorator and i think it will be great fun.
No one interested? I guess that is why the topic on it is 9 pages long and people keep asking for photos, and people are happy about it: Coaster Boy 8: I like it how there are going to be to intamin accelerater coaster on the Gold Coast smile.gif. Aidan: That is so cool! this is going to be great, couldnt have asked anything better myself. Chaos-Maniac: That's awesome. Richard, can you confirm this, at all? Stardust: that sounds so cool! i hope its true! how long would it take for it to be ready? like 1 yr, 2 yrs, more, less? Adam: It would be great to see Dreamworld get a new Intamin coaster. D.C: Good stuff! OzCoaster Freek: This could be a great addition to Dreamworld The sound: Hooray! I'm very excited about this one. Tom: I'm excited about it!! smile.gif Myk: I am sooooo excited :]I hope it has inversions. Cant be stuffed posting any more examples, the moral of the story is, don't make sweeping statements based on the way something "seems". I think most people are pretty excited. Its just that all is happening is footings are being poured, which isn't as exciting as seeing the track being built.
Look yes wildwest falls is better than the log ride. WWF is nearly 20 years newer wasn't built inhouse and was the most expensive investment made by WBMW to day at 16 million. Given that people still love the log ride and still ride it and there is nothing wrong with it.
Yeah, but WWF is still better :rolleyes: ...
Dreamworld is a well established high attended themepark that has proved its worth over more than 20 years. It has provided us all with a great amount of entertainment and although could use a little TLC in some areas, it is hardly run down and it definitely diserves more credit than it is given.
The issue runs deeper than park maintenance, it is the general trend of the place over the years, see my previous post...
Too many people want to complain about too much. eg batwing spaceshot and themeing. Everybody enjoy the fact that queensland has soo many themeparks and embrace them instead of bag them. Constructive criticism fine.. but slamming and slagging all the time.. not fine!
But people do make constructive criticisms, and everyone has points of views, not everyone is a fanboy who sucks up to everything parks do, sometimes they do stuff we love, and sometimes they do stuff we hate. People who say stuff like "Just be happy we have blah blah blah" annoy me, we fork out $60 to visit, why cant we expect standards to be met? Edited by Gazza

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All I am going to say at this point is that I went to Movieworld two days after Superman Escape opened, the place was packed, but the lines moved quick and I got to do everything several times throughout the day. On the contrary, I went to Dreamworld around November last year - in the middle of a school term, middle of the week. The carpark was nearly empty. Expecting it to be a great day my mate and I headed on in. Spent nearly the whole day there. Went on Giant Drop once (waited 40 min - running with 6 seats), TOT once (waited 60 min), Cyclone once (waited 40 min). Didn't even bother with the lines for Rapids and Log Ride. Fortunately we managed to get on the Wipeout and Claw quite a bit, but it was a really disappointing day. It is extremely unfair to say that Movieworld is not a fullday park when you really don't have to waste half of your day waiting in line. It is not something that should be used against them. That being said, I will have to say that Dreamworld is making an effort to re-vamp the park even if it appears that major installations are coming slowly. From what can be gathered so far, they are moving the vintage cars into rocky hollow and installing a new coaster near Rivertown. As far as Eureka is concerned, they havn't officially announced its removal, so there is still a chance it could re-open. If they sort that out then surely Dreamworld could be heading in the right direction.

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On the contrary, I went to Dreamworld around November last year - in the middle of a school term, middle of the week. The carpark was nearly empty. Expecting it to be a great day my mate and I headed on in. Spent nearly the whole day there. Went on Giant Drop once (waited 40 min - running with 6 seats), TOT once (waited 60 min), Cyclone once (waited 40 min). Didn't even bother with the lines for Rapids and Log Ride. Fortunately we managed to get on the Wipeout and Claw quite a bit, but it was a really disappointing day.
The car park was nearly empty but it was still packed? That's unusual but the que lines can be long sometimes. I find the Cyclone the worst offender. Sometimes it takes ages and sometimes it's a walk on. I also find that if it's warm the Log ride and River Rapids can be a long wait. Even in the middle of Winter. The GD comes 2nd as the worst que. Edited by dreamworld_rulz

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I am not a FANboy thank you. I have the right to like or dislike whatever I like and not becalled something in my view derogatory. It's not a case I like one park over another. I don't Dremworld and movieworld as far as australian parks go are really good and they both seem to moving along nicely with capital investments. I guess it's always going to be a MW vs DW situation. They both have issues. Like if I were movieworld, would have never purchased a vekoma SLC. Would have rathered B&M SLC, but for some strange reason no one buys B&M in australia. If I were dreamworld I would have spent the around million dollars ish to do a refit and referbish of Thunderbolt in addition to having cyclone it was pretty cool when there were both. I wouldn't have removed the stuntshow from the paddlewheeler. And as far as a scare attraction goes i'd install something more like infinity which requires less operational staff but at a higher initial outlay. I never said that either park is perfect, they are far off that both of them. But they are both doing alright. I like them and i will continue to support them both.

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I went to DW in 2003 it was disgusting, no other way to put it! it was a run down place badly in need of a huge re-vamp, and other things, such as improvements in food! I later revisited the park last year in March and it had, had some major refurbishments done to it. re-painting, fixing gardens, and retheming the place really did look pretty good! Although I visited it again in Febuary and I noticed it was begginging to start to go down hill again. I think once they re-vamp an area they need to quick it that way and let it fall apart as quickly as they did. Another thing that I feel they need to fix is how the ride's show grease badly, two of the worst examples are the Cyclone and GD, GD's grey tower has faded but the black gease stands out then! SW has a white roler coaster and it doesn't show grease as bad! But other than that I think DW is a great and when they finish the coaster and do some other things it will be an even greater park! P.S I wish they would re-open the skyway!

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I never said that either park is perfect
Yes you did:
There is nothing wrong with dreamworld
I have the right to like or dislike whatever I like and not becalled something in my view derogatory.
Then why tell us to
Stop bitching about dreamworld
It seems stupid that you are free to think the place is great, but we aren't free to think it's not so great. The issue was never about MW v DW, those comparisons simply come up because MW is one of the competition to compare with. It is also not about whether we wanted X attraction to be built but it wasn't so people are peeved. The issue is about the declining standards in many aspects of the parks operation. Again, I cant stress enough for you to read earlier posts (post #8 by me, and the posts by Richo and T-Bone preceding it) They raise important points that cant just be dismissed. Who knows why this whole debate is happening, it could just be you have lower standards for the parks, while others don't really like mediocrity.
Like if I were movieworld, would have never purchased a vekoma SLC. Would have rathered B&M SLC, but for some strange reason no one buys B&M in australia
While I would pick a B&M over a Vekoma, I think you need to keep in mind the ride was built in 1995. Vekoma would have been a cheaper choice, less risky for a 4 year old park. I think also the ride was sold to the park with the promise of high quality.I actually made a thread about it ages ago, but there was something interesting in one of the educational sheets for MW: http://www.parkz.com.au/forums/in...post&id=181 Hindsight is a powerful thing. But i mean, this is an issue with an individual ride, not like parkwide problems that affect DW. Edited by Gazza

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Growing up Dreamworld was always my favourite park. It remained this way for me until the early 2000s. Then as Movie World started to really get itself into shape starting with Scooby-Doo in 2002, Dreamworld seemed to step back by cutting costs ("improving operating efficiency") and focusing only on maximising specific revenue streams rather than the overall product. To me, over the years the two parks with the most prevalent idendity were Dreamworld and Sea World. Both knew exactly who they were, and as a visitor you could feel it throughout both parks. Dreamworld has lost its but yet Sea World's still very much what it always has been.
Reading through this got me thinking, I wonder if part of Dreamworld's 'decline' (Is it a decline if attendance is up and revenue is up?) is the lack of a John Menzies type of guy running the show. Remember, Dreamworld has changed CEO's a few times in the past decade, and in the meantime John has been at with SW and WVTPs for 36 years. Dreamworld with all these high level changes, haven't had, I guess you'd call it passion, from a career theme park guy. The modern CEO is focused on the bottom line, not the 'show' as it were, and while I have the greatest respect for Greg at Dreamworld, I would love to see what would happen if John became CEO of Dreamworld for a while (I'd give the giant hot dog on main street maybe 25seconds). You have to remember John is a guy who decided some ugly looking trees near the back of Seaworld needed to go because they obstructed the view of the Corkscrew, which by the way is having its paintjob freshened up again. Obviously, WVTP's aren't perfect, there are several faults with the parks, but I don't think its anything they aren't already keeping on top of, otherwise this topic would be in the movieworld section, titled "The quality of Movieworld". I personally don't have a problem with Dreamworld (I didn't start the topic) but obviously people out there are seeing the quality of Dreamworld slip. Are there some good signs at DW? Of course yes. For one, I'm happy to see the vintage cars moved from under the tower of terror track. That was always a pet peeve of mine from when ToT was built. Now we just need to see what becomes of Rocky Hollow, Goldrush and Blue Lagoon and all the other more run down areas of the park. Edited by joz

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"Then why tell us to It seems stupid that you are free to think the place is great, but we aren't free to think it's not so great." Because it becomes overwhelming when there is comment after comment of negativity against everything. Always a downward look on every move. anyway kinda bored of this, if you want to look at everything dreamworld does with cynical eye than fine. go for it.

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I don't believe anyone is bagging DW! Its jus that it is becoming a little run down becasue they don't seem to have a real passion to caring for a theme park like Village Roadshow do! Its just things people think should be fixed up, that's all, nothing more. After that people will be a lot happier. Its only because that at the moment it doesn't look very appealing!

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Well... I don't know why people think DW lines are so bad. I went with school 2 weeks ago, got on TOT first go, like 20 people in the line. Giant drop was a 10 minute wait. Cyclone we got on 2nd go. Rapids was a 5 minute wait, at around 12-1 it was a 10 minute wait. Longest line was log ride which was about 12 minutes. At chrsitmas is the busiest time but not that bad. The rest of the year is fine!

No one interested? I guess that is why the topic on it is 9 pages long and people keep asking for photos, and people are happy about it: Stardust: that sounds so cool! i hope its true! how long would it take for it to be ready? like 1 yr, 2 yrs, more, less?
OO I'm quoted, *famous* hahaha :P;)

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Because it becomes overwhelming when there is comment after comment of negativity against everything. Always a downward look on every move.
Well then that is just the general opinion. I think you are making another sweeping statement though, I mean people think the new coaster is a good move dont they?
if you want to look at everything dreamworld does with cynical eye than fine. go for it.
No need for the attitude, Ill think whatever I want too depending on the situation, I dont just go and say stuff is bad without reason, and I dont have a cynical bias against the place, I just do think it has issues.
Well... I don't know why people think DW lines are so bad. I went with school 2 weeks ago, got on TOT first go, like 20 people in the line. Giant drop was a 10 minute wait. Cyclone we got on 2nd go. Rapids was a 5 minute wait, at around 12-1 it was a 10 minute wait. Longest line was log ride which was about 12 minutes.
Thought I might clarify what people are saying. Obviously you visited the park on a quiet day (eg only 20 people in line for the TOT) so no matter what you wouldn't have to wait long since the rides weren't being stretched to the limit. Also, you went on a school day, so that would make the park quiet. The issue is efficiency and capacity, when you get those crowded days the lines move too slowly Things such as 4 person boats on the log ride, Only a single train on cyclone, understaffing etc etc all make lines move slowly. Now, at MW by comparison They have plenty of staff running the rides, on the big coasters on busy days they have two 20 person trains running, SDSC can handle tons of cars at once, the shows at MW have lots of seating etc etc. To sum up, both parks are fine on quiet days, but DW has slower lines on busy days.
Is it a decline if attendance is up and revenue is up?
I thought attendance was down though; http://www.roller-coaster.com.au/article.php?aid=150 Edited by Gazza

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Reading through this got me thinking, I wonder if part of Dreamworld's 'decline' (Is it a decline if attendance is up and revenue is up?) is the lack of a John Menzies type of guy running the show.
I think that's probably the single most critical point of difference between Dreamworld and WVTP. Whereas down at WVTP decisions are driven by instinct - instinct created by decades in the industry - at Dreamworld they're driven by the bottom line. Both come to the same end - profits for the company and shareholders - but in the case of WVTP it's coupled with substance that'll last. I think the example of the hotdog stand pretty much sums up the difference between the two perfectly. It's seen throughout Dreamworld with the gaudy paint seen on any surface they can get their hands on. There's just so much tastelessness that no one would get away with at WVTP because there are people in charge who have enough insight to know where the line between 'fantastic' and 'excessive' is. Can you imagine if Disney put someone with absolutely no theme park experience in charge of Disneyland? It'd be the death of the place.

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