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That's true, but we're talking about actual rollercoasters here...

A quick search on PD Online for the Gold Coast brings up this map and enabling the environmental significance overlays highlights the pink areas. If the island is protected think it is more than safe to say the waters around it wouldn't be allowed to be modified easily either. Of all the community leaders here I think you have chosen the worst to doubt about information relating to Dreamworld and what the park is able to do with the land.

Ah, you must be new here

I had a few moments spare, so I drew it up. The back end of WWF and Arkham is a bit of a mess as some studio buildings and park buildings are mixed in, but this is pretty much the park perimeter including all BOH areas. And for those who don't speak in Hectares...

Would imagine clones are cheaper as they have the specs, required inventory lists, technical planning and testing patterns already in place.

Fishing Fantasy 7? I hope they really up the details on the catfishes whiskers!

Look man, Ive been here since 2009. I have worked in the theme park industry for years here and over seas. A rep count and post count means someone spends a lot of time on the internet. I just want a source. Having worked for Ardent for many years its the first I ever heard the river was "protected" area. I just want to see a source. I am not doubting someones knowledge but I want to see some proof and the point of a forum is to chat about stuff. Your rep count means nothing to me sorry and for someone who seem to be such a regular on a forum you seem to have no idea how they work. If you dont have an answer to my question dont waste my time trying to put me down and act like some online forum legend no ones ever heard of.

Read between the lines dude.

That's very presumptuous of you... When the money stops rolling in, you'd be surprised at what things can be cancelled even if they're already been budgeted for... Especially if the forward projections anticipated a certain amount of revenue to be received to fund those projects, that is now... not coming in. I would suggest you are the one who is most likely incorrect... consider this: I promised you a car. I showed you a McLaren F1, in an artists rendering. Then I showed you a Lambhorghini Murcielago in a physical 3D model. Then I changed the colour a couple of times and threw in a Ferrari F40 in some promotional imagery. Then, I delivered you a 1987 Toyota Camry, in three different colours because the doors were replaced with spare parts from the wreckers. Now - did I deliver a car? Yes. So technically, you can't complain, because I delivered a car. My promo material, concept art and such was always subject to change. And the lesson - the Toyota Camry is still world class... for 1987...

Rivals and Blue Fire Clone are the same price because the figures are wrong

the running wheels are going to wreak havoc on timber rails.... they'll be replacing them every six weeks in areas with high forces.... maybe they should put metal on top of the wooden rails to reduce the wear...

Just wanted to say, i really appreciate people who do this. For people who seriously want to make Wikipedia as accurate as possible, it would take quite a bit of your own time just doing it. So thank you.

Just to put things into a bit of perspective... If a roller coaster crashed and killed people because the park had made in house dodgy modifications to the braking and control system would there never be another roller coaster built in Australia? Because that’s kind of the same as saying we’d never have a traditional water ride built again...

Hi! Long term lurker, first time poster here (regular site visitor for years!). Sorry this is going to be a long-ish post, but I need to be specific about what I’m asking. (Admins feel free to move to off-topic if you feel it’s appropriate). Partly due to my sheer affinity for the park, and partly due to boredom/OCD-fuelled optimism, I’ve recently taken up the task of completely overhauling and rewriting Movie World’s Wikipedia entry (I’ve been a regular editor there for many years). Here’s what the article used to look like: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Warner_Bros._Movie_World&oldid=951851228 And now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warner_Bros._Movie_World As you can see, I’ve already made quite a lot of progress and spent of lot of time revitalising the page recently. What I’m mainly asking the Parkz community for is some resources on the MW’s history that would be relevant/interesting. Information MUST be supported by scholarly sources: TV/news programs, documentaries/specials, newspaper articles, interviews, web articles etc. Feedback about the article so far would of course be welcomed. Of particular value would be newspaper/journal articles from the 90s and 00s. Bonus points if you have the publication dates/issue numbers/etc. I’ve already spent countless hours scouring the internet (and Parkz.com!) for sources, using search engines and adjusting parameters etc, but I just don’t feel that my research has merited the level of information that I would like. I’d really love more insight into the early days of Movie World particularly – why/how it was built, the planning and construction process, how it performed/was received. Also relevant would be a more long-term look at the park’s performance over the years, why and how the park expanded/began adding in new rides and attractions etc. I know this forum has a lot of veterans who remember the good ol’ days (and I wasn’t born when MW opened), and a lot of people with the “inside scoop”, so I’d really appreciate anybody who can give me some insight. Why am I doing this? Well, I’m a long-term contributor to WP and, say what you want about it, but I’ve always wanted to improve the perception of WP as an online learning tool by writing high-quality, factual and reliably-sourced content. That, and I’m a long-term enthusiast and consider MW my favourite park. My main goal for this page is to have it reach Good Article status: it receives a formal review/check from another editor. If it’s well-written, comprehensive, backed up with sources etc, it meets the criteria and is listed as a Good Article. If possible, I would one day like it be listed as a Featured Article: the article receives a formal, highly stringent review from multiple editors. This process typically lasts for several weeks, and every aspect of the article is scrutinised. If the article passes, it is considered to be an encyclopaedic-quality. A big problem I can see going forward is that a lot of the article is sourced to this website. No offense to the staff, but I think it’s likely that this site would be challenged as a “reliable source” for numerous, boring reasons. This is why journals/articles from papers would be invaluable to me. If you have anything to contribute, please let me know below, email me or PM me. Information that you have doesn’t necessarily need to exist on the internet: newspaper columns, TV specials, interviews etc all constitute sources. But it needs to come from a source, not just from a forum post (Wikipedia’s policy). My email (have no problems with this being shared) for all Wikipedia-related things is: cr4ze.wp@gmail.com Thanks!

Lets be honest with ourselves, why would we want it? As i said, they are the things of the 90s and are incredibly outdated. There are so much better coaster types that we could add that would be much more thrilling attractions that would not only grab the attention of the public but also people from oversees. Also, this is modern-day Dreamworld, theming isn't the most important thing anymore. If we were to get a boomerang it would be a handy down and just placed somewhere with zero care. Vekoma wants to move away from the image, they do not even make that arrow-stolen track anymore for their newer coasters. I never thought i would have to defend my position on not wanting a Vekoma boomerang. It would honestly be a joke, and make our up and coming industry look like one too.

Considering if they did build one it would be the only boomerang in Australia since the demise of Australia's Wonderland, I reckon it would be a welcome addition for thrill seeking guests to see a return of a classic and popular roller coaster. As long as the theming is on point it could be very popular for park visitors.

You should really charge your phone.

Oh right, my mistake

Ok. Let me spell it out for ya. You've got a rep count of 48, and have 206 posts. Slick has a rep count of 2199 and 2881 posts. Slick is also a community leader here on the forums. It's kinda his job here to ensure a certain... standard. *Ahem* While i'm not suggesting you take everything a community leader says as gospel (they're not always right, and they aren't infallible), they usually make their best efforts to not spout unfounded rumor without having seen some sort of evidence of it (and each active community leader has their own background or expertise related to the industry in some way - (want to know? ask them privately and see if they answer). There are just some things you gotta take on faith. And that's where rep and post count comes in. Now i'm not suggesting for a moment that a high rep or post count means they're an expert, or always right (it can just mean they talk alot, which is why I'm at the top of both counts here on Parkz - toot!), but for someone to have amassed a 4 digit positive rep count, and a 4 digit post count (sorry Jdude!) generally suggests they've survived long enough on these boards to have the basics right. Seriously - if someone comes on spouting bullshit, they generally don't survive long. But sometimes, those who know, can't say, and those who can say, don't know. So many times when information sources can't be revealed for one reason or another, sometimes its hinted at, or suggested, and sometimes you just have to pay attention to what gets said - a couple throwaway lines here and there can add up to a fact you can bank on, without ever having had to say it out loud. TL:DR - if none of the longer term or experienced members of the forum are questioning something.... you just gotta ask yourself why that might be... and sometimes you just gotta trust it.

Maybe someone at the park would know?

Take MDMC for example, that was somewhat a prototype and that was $10 million

Clones should and generally are cheaper if built like-for-like. Modifications or extras obviously increase it, but a manufacturer should be able to build a clone on a greenfields site cheaper than the original because they've learned their mistakes from the past. There is no reason to charge more for something simply because you've made one before. Sure, it proves it is successful, but as a buyer, i'm not going to agree to pay more because someone else already has one... first of all - why would I want what the other guy already has, unless it's cheap? And second of all, why are you charging me more than the other guy paid? If its a prototype, its different. Prototypes are experimental, require tweaking and modifications and may not work properly. The park gets a discount because there is a risk to both the manufacturer and the park if it doesn't work. Simply because something has been cloned, it doesn't mean the original was experimental - if it uses the same track designs and trains and launch or lift systems, or a combination of previously tried and tested technology, and this is just the right combination of lift\launch, track type, elements and trains. If a clone cost more, it's probably because - the site required extra work - say a sloping site where longer \ more support columns were needed, or the buyer asked for modifications - such as backwards facing seats, or spinning cars, or reverse spike triple launch...

Saw this this morning sitting in an auction place at Carrara on the Gold Coast. Would be perfect to do up and put on the river.

I had this thought for a while (Shuttle Coaster at least) except Dreamworld need at least 3 full circuit coasters I think before looking into this. Not including BuzzSaw. Now ToT is gone it isn't too bad of an idea.

With the people who are talking about budget cuts I would assume you are most likely incorrect. Most of these projects would of fully been paid for way before the covid19 issue happened. things that may get budget cuts within the park could be a new coat of paint on a handrail or some kind of project that has not already started.

The thing people have to remember is that the issue with TRRR wasn’t what occurred during the ride course, it happened at the unload point of the vehicles. If any park is to say “look, this is why this is safe” and show the public, then it shouldn’t be an issue. When the LPS ghost train fire happened, it didn’t kill the prospect of further dark rides in Australia. People will move on, they just need the industry leaders to move on and show them there isn’t anything to worry about.

Honestly though any hysteria about a new Rapids attraction (when, and if) is easily dispelled. Modern technology means rapids rides don't need to load boats in the trough - all guest loading and unloading can be done on a solid, flat surface out of the water... Obviously the transitions on and off the conveyor are still risk points, but the continuous movement of the conveyor means there is unlikely to ever be a collision. Oh... and they'll probably have an e-stop.

Unless it was another Rapids style ride I don’t think the media would say boo. The media is also a lot more pro-VRTP than DW as well from what I have seen and I think that’s in a large part due to Clark Kirby’s direction and willingness to involve them in all aspects.

Yeah that “my friend” did it/sent it thing doesn’t fly and shows your age.. Post what you want but own it if it gets shot down.

I SERIOUSLY doubt we are going to see a mountain with waterfalls and giant sculptures of Atlantean warriors. That was pie in the sky theming and I doubt it would have been delivered like that even prior to the parks closing and operating at a loss for months.

The vortex is looking very very blue. I like blue, that seems like too much blue. I liked the stone look they had in the concept art, but it seems like those pesky budget cuts are at play again

Bikash, is that you?

Ok the forums seem a bit busier again so i should really finish off these Japan trip reports. I went to Nagashima Spaland on a Sunday in December, the park was lively but not heaving. https://www.parkz.com.au/parks/JP/Kuwana/Nagashima_Spa_Land/ It seems to be every trip report of this place is dead in terms of crowds, so people tend to enjoy a fairly easy day. The issue I discovered with Japanese parks is that when they become even slightly busy, the slow operations they all have (Outside Disney and Universal and Legoland) just becomes a bit painful so even short queues just eat up time. Over the course of my day, I managed to ride the main coasters once*, and that was relying on using express passes, so tragically, I only got to ride Hakugei once (And they shut the queues before closing time, so my recommendation would be making sure you get a few express tickets for earlier in the day if you want to re ride....and avoid weekends (Which were unavoidable in my case) Also, Ultra Twister was closed, as was the Intamin first Gen Freefall ride. Genuinely miffed about both. To get to the park you can get a train from Nagoyas main station to Kuwana, then a bus. Or you can get a direct bus from the central bus station. The latter option is about 10 min longer, but much easier. If you do get a bus, sit on the drivers side so you can get pics of the coasters as you approach the park. The park has two entrances, a front one under Steel Dragon, or a back one near the resort/ SW corner of the water park. The bus will drop you at the latter. Pre purchasing tickets is a pain for foreign visitors, so make a beeline for the ticket booths. I opted to wander around the outside of the park briefly for some pics before opening. The park itself is neat, tidy, and well maintained, and surprisingly compact for the number of rides it has, so is easy to navigate. There's also a wide variety of flats, none of which i got to ride So I'll do a run through of everything Hakugei 2 hour queue as soon as it got here at opening so I noped out and got a fast pass. A couple of minutes of coaster heaven, being thrown in all directions, unexpected twists, heaps of airtime. I went to go back for another ride later in the day but the queue had been closed fuuuuuuuuuu, so I really have to judge it on that one ride. I probably liked it better than Steel Vengeance, this one seemed more spread out and varied, had a zero g stall, and didnt rely on a shitload of painful airtime bumps to pad out the last half of the ride. Superb. Steel Dragon 2000 This one is Morgan hypercoaster with B&M trains, so runs very nicely. It's not the most imaginative hypercoaster out there, but it does shine in the latter half with the long line of airtime hills at the end. again, Only a single ride on this one sadly. Bobkart Bobkarts are like those toboggan runs, but on flat ground, with a motorised kart. They are moderately thrilling, with tiny pops of air over the bunny hops along the course. Naturally though you just push the lever foward and go as fast as you can, but the max speed is only fairly moderate. You dont get the fear factor of the gravity driven toboggan runs where you can go fast, but have that fine line of almost tipping it. Acrobat This flying coaster is a clone of Manta at SeaWorld Orlando. It's a good solid layout. The park run it like idiots though, with one train and one station open, and the train is parked before they let you in to the gate area put your stuff in the lockers, so forking out for a fastpass is a must to avoid their fuckwitted operations that cause slow lines. The pretzel loop is crazy of course, but these become a bit harder to tolerate the older you get. This was the only coaster i got a 2nd ride on because I basically hot footed it there around 4pm when it was apparent the queues for the other coasters were closing and managed to snare a pass just before they turned off and emptied the machine for the day. Corkscrew I think this was the first coaster i had to actually queue for at this point, and it still took 30 mins for a few trains. Well taken care of, this ride is like the SW Corkscrew if it didn't have a loop. Wild Mouse This was obviously bought from the German fair circuit, because the pay box had Euro plugs in it. As you probably guessed, only one side of the coaster was open, so another 30 min wait. Not sure what else I'd need to write about a mouse coaster. I did get this cool pic though. Giant Wheel Aurora Japan = Land of the massive Ferris wheels. I got on this one around midday when the sky was clear and there were minimal shadows. You can see just how logically the park is laid out and how neatly attractions are slotted together. Farm De Bang Bang Farm De Bang Bang was a toy story mania type ride with ugly 4 person cars: I did find the pull cords were a bit worn out on this one so it was hard to get points. All of the games had a farmyard theme, with the last one involving setting off fireworks at sunset. Jet Coaster When you go to Japan, you have to ride a jet coaster, a ride type with long drawn out shallow drops and wide turns. Imagine DWs thunderbolt after the loops essentially. Another short queue/long wait situation, but the ride was relaxing, with a nice leafy setting compared to the rest of the park. Looping Star A couple of bites of the cherry with this one. First time around it broke down while i was waiting, thankfully it was up and running again towards the end of the day. These things are great, with a powerful loop and fast turns, and even a couple of speedy pops of airtime towards the end. A true classic. Shuttle Loop Not too much of a wait for this one, i dont mind shuttle loops actually (Arrrow ones are my fave) but i guess it feels a bit underwhelming in the same park as Looping Star. Children Coaster This thing was deserted, no queue, things are looking up! Arashi I've Ridden Batman at SFFT, Joker at SFGAdv and now Arashi, and Arashi is the craziest. On the first level alone you get 4 flips, and tumble non stop through the rest of the course. Lucky it is so short because i dont think you could put up with it if it was any longer) Jumbo Viking This one was a must do for me. Look at the size of the regular pirate ship on the right, and then the massive double one on the left. I cannot think of any situation where this thing would utilise its capacity, and to be honest the park would probably be utterly heaving with crowds if both sides were running and it had a queue. They only run the ride once every 15 mins , and even then its not even full. It felt a bit gentler compared to a normal pirate ship due to how long the swings are. Peter Rabbit Skyliner Once the coasters were shut and I'd done my 2nd ride on Acrobat there wasnt much else to do, so i did a lap on this one to get some photos, which was a similar ride to the monorail cablecar thing at Tobu Zoo. Photos somewhat unsuccessful due to the poor light at that stage of the day. Haunted House This walk through was one the last things I did for the day. No actors, just static props through nicely done scenes of a traditional Japanese village with stuff the local market seemingly find scary, like wolf headed men and sobbing women. Overall, yes the park is decent with some must do attraction, but just be prepared for queues if the park is anything other than dead. If i was visiting for the first time, 1.5 days might actually allow a more comfortable pace, and if you are done early, well then there is plenty of other places to see nearby with your new found extra time. At the end of the day be prepared for traffic congestion. I had to get a bus back to make an evening train, and it was lucky i had left a buffer and taken an earlier bus, because i didn't have a whole lot to spare in the end.

All Hail Clark Kirby the Australian theme park God

wow time does go quickly !CONSTRUCTION UPDATE! in this photo you can see that the vortex signage is up and they have added Atlantean language below the vortex signage this is going to be one of the best themed precincts in an Australian theme park i also added the Atlantis language Next month will most likely be when leviathan's construction will be going vertical as all the wood seems to have arrived and the groundwork looks near complete here is the video i got this from

Taronga Zoo will reopen June 1 with reduced capacity Here is their video about the reopening and what will be put into place/changes I think it’s a pretty well put together video and hopefully the GC parks create something similar upon their reopening

@djrappa So could we say that Superman Escape was cheap at $16 million

A launch is infinitely more expensive, instead of one big electrical supply connected to one drive and motor you have a huge number of drives and electrical connections and all the Control smarts to drive it. And then theming, good theming is very expensive, not just for construction but also the AV components to run it and the design fees just to come up with it in the first place. The numbers add up pretty quickly.

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Those must have taken all day to whip up... Kudos to you.

I actually really miss the name Cyclone, its still the name i call the ride i suppose.

No roasting but they have had their day. There are far better , newer options out there that would make far more sense than a Vekoma Boomerang. However, one of their newer family shuttles would be just the thing. Something like this duelling family shuttle would be a viable option for a great family ride.

I know this is probably assumed knowledge, but I have had confirmation from a friend that the parts for Leviathan have already started to arrive, but there are some delays on a lot of the parts that are coming in

There’s seems to be a lot coming from VRTP, but what about DW?

3 more containers have arrived

Or invest in a new paddle boat, I’m sure there would be plenty of people would love to see it return. It was an iconic part of DW

WnW has always been the poor popular water park because it’s the oldest and has always been the place for teenagers to go. And the park itself looks bigger, when in fact, on slide count it is smaller. What I still like with WnW is the amount of plants and trees across the park, especially around areas like Calypso Beach. If WWW gets a lazy river and fills it with plants, so it makes it feel like you are somewhere else and not in a water park or near a road (with a school and housing near by), then it will take the park to another level. For a few years now I have seen WWW as the superior water park and since Fully 6 was installed and the park wide refurb, its without doubt better

Mach 5

Mach 5 will be replaced

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