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15 years what have we been doing with our lives

Agree - the coroner mentioned this and I'm pretty sure it was in one of my rapid fire updates - they argued 'hindsight bias' as influencing the views that something so cheap and simple could have fixed it. (For those who don't know what that means, here's a copypasta slab complete with wiki references: This was Dreamworld's argument before the coroner - that everyone can see how predictable the events were in hindsight. The coroner emphatically rejected this claim of hindsight bias, and used the examples of the MULTIPLE previous historic incidents over more than a decade as justification that the incident was VERY predictable. Further, the coroner stated it was more a case of good luck than good management that nobody had been injured previously. The coroner also stated that a risk assessment had NEVER been completed on the ride operation in 30 years. And that any competent person could see the risks.

I really hope I don't have to explain the history and story of the scooby fire eyes to you gentlemen... i'm starting to feel like you think i'm serious...

A risk assessment on the ride operation was never completed in 30 years. Individual hazards were assessed for risk, but not a wholesome view - each hazard was assessed in isolation. The coroner also mentioned in his findings, that controls (mainly administrative ones) were put in place to mitigate risks (reactionary) without considering what other hazards those controls caused, which is why a whole-of-ride assessment (that was never done) should have been. The section of the report that covers the new sensors installed - which is also the section that discusses whether a water level sensor should also be installed - does mention that the rollback and chain break sensors weren't just alarms - they were wired into the PLC systems to stop the ride \ ride components when the sensors indicated a fault. So if the additional water level sensor HAD been isntalled, one can assume, based on the operation and programming of the other sensors, that the water level sensor would also have been wired into the PLC, and programmed to stop the ride. You're reaching here mate. they fucked up. And any competent person responsible for safety and risk management in the park should have seen that coming. The trouble is - Dreamworld didn't have one.

This needs to be highlighted. DW put money ahead of guest no two ways about it. We all thought DW was looking like a shithole and DW was not spending money on the upkeep of the park, but we never thought it went to the level of DW not spending money on keeping the rides safe. Well it turned out Ardent was making a killing in profits and killing people at the same time. Cost cutting on safety is something you think would happen if a company was in trouble and not to turning a pretty penny.

@webslave DW knew the rafts could flip and did nothing. You're not looking backwards if you already know the outcome of a situation.

And to think at the end of the day, a water level sensor - that, lets be honest, would seem like a stock standard instrument on ANY ride incorporating water - was all that was required to save 4 lives. In 30 years of operation, and probably 1000s of sets of eyes, no one thought that to be worth the pittance (in relative terms) It would have cost.

It was several years ago, before any of these members were here. TLDR there was a member who believed that the LED eyes on the scooby doo cars were fire sensors, and the cars had the ability to reverse backwards through the dark ride section if a fire was detected.

needs to cover all angles because they're in a fixed position, whereas the ones on scooby doo, being mounted on the front of the ride vehicles, are capable of moving around the entire ride envelope...

I'm not looking beyond the incident because the inquest was about the incident.

Please excuse these aren’t the greatest photos on earth as I was being dropped off when I was taking these But you can start to see the repaint has finally begun Unfortunately, it ain’t aqua/blue and white

Actually, they knew there was a possibility the rafts could flip and decided they had done enough about it. As we now know, they had not. There's a difficult to determine but nonetheless distinct difference between knowing about a risk and believing you'd done enough to mitigate it and knowing about a risk and continuing to take it even though you know you hadn't done enough to mitigate it. That's why criminal charges are so hard to make stick with this stuff. The reality is that in almost every incident there's a case of an entity thinking they have done enough to mitigate a risk and finding out that they had not, or indeed not even having identified the risk in the first place. For all of the attention and the tragic outcome this unfortunately boils down to both (depending on who we are talking about).

Excellent!! Expedition videos are some of the best on YouTube!! Good stuff!!

From two days ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygNlF2rjrAg

Can confirm, MW wasn't gonna take down the banner so I pulled an REDACTED, scaled the structure and yoinked it Happy?

Not if you stay on here

We've all been younger and dumber. Only some of us will get older, and wiser.

Maybe DW did?

It was actually 15 years ago... almost to the day.

I've been here 13 years so maybe I was playing hooky that day.

I'm really taking this to the ludicrous extreme here, and don't seriously believe it (although i don't really know what to believe anymore) but if you had seen so many 'safety' issues brushed under the rug, why would you bother, when you know 'save 30% on our power bill' would be a slam dunk win? Honestly though - 'more modern' is the wrong term for this. The technology for this to be a safe system existed in the 90s. Intamin's rapids ride (and i'm using Wonderland as an example here) had continuous load stations just like TRRR did when it was first built. Wonderland's turntable was also switched off, I believe sometime in the late 80s or early 90s, and airjacks were installed to physically hold the rafts in position for load, unload and despatch. A series of infra-red beams were installed from the bottom of the conveyor to the top, at unload, load, and despatch, and the PLC was capable of monitoring the position of the rafts. Operators had manual control of raft release at load and unload, but the PLC controlled the conveyor, and wouldn't release a raft into the unload zone while it was occupied. Further, A despatch jack would hold a raft from despatching too closely after a raft had already been despatched. Picture below: Airjacks (metal frame with timber planking) to the right of the raft, and the despatch sensor beam (bottom left) mounted on the steel railings immediately below the loaded raft. I know for certain that the conveyor had a beam across it to track rafts nearing the unload point, but try as I might, I simply cannot locate a picture of it. Tales from the Wonderland Maintenance Bay: As I mentioned earlier, the coroner made a point of stating right at the start that he found no fault with the ride operators. I agree totally disgusting, but very glad to hear they weren't faulted.

One of the things reading the report is jist how set up to fail the ops were. Their workload was pretty well maxed out when things were working properly, add to that a situation where there are multiple ways to respond so you have to diagnose the ride and keep it safe as well as do everything else. It wouldn't be so bad but DW knew that the ride ops were their control measure for a number of things. The chat in here is about being cheap, while I've no doubt they were, to me the whole thing seems more like pure incompetence. The engineering let the ride ops down something fierce, and it's actually really disgusting that at the start of the inquest the park's lawyers tried to blame them.

But it is in 'go away green' and close to guests. The grey building at Sea World either isn't finished yet, or my two year old has started a career in building painting.

Funny how the fire sensors have the same spacing as the lights.🤣

Are we talking about this section? Because, if so, I may not be reading that the same way you are. I don't see anything in that which tells us that in the case of a drop in water level this system would disable the conveyor. Instead, my reading of this is that if there was to be monitoring of the water level it was intended as an efficiency measure, rather than a safety measure. I can't see anything here that indicates as part of the scoping of the project that they considered it a safety measure. Yes, that supports my suggestion that water level monitoring alone was not enough here - the important part is interfacing it to the conveyor system.

Which is, of course, an interesting thing for him to say when his report actually references risks that had been assessed on the ride by several parties. Perhaps some obtuse wording on his part. For example; Furthermore, later in his report he goes on to state that several purportedly competent persons had looked at the ride and either failed to see the risk, or indeed considered the risk mitigated. I believe the implication here is that none of these were ultimately competent persons in the literal sense. Unfortunately this isn't solely a Dreamworld issue - these issues extended through a number of engineering firms and the OIR itself.

TECHNICAL CAUSE & CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE INCIDENT EARTH FAULT AND PUMP DRIVES EXAMINATION

It's easy to look back now and say "$2,500 was what they decided a human life was not even worth" but that's hyperbole. After all, it's no more meaningful than telling someone who had just killed someone in a car wreck that if they had just left 10 seconds later then it wouldn't have happened and that therefore they decided another person's life wasn't worth 10 seconds of their time. Yeah, they totally should have done it but you never know at the time that's what's riding on it. Here's a bit I found interesting;

Adventure world was first:

Generally, aren't those building further away and not something guests can walk right past? In another news, well done SW on this great artwork

This was shared by Aussie Airtime, this morning.

It was noted that at the time the above was raised in regards to implementing an upgrade the cost was $10,000. At this time the engineering manager acknowledged the proposal but directed that the existing plan for upgrades of sensors at the start of the conveyor preventing roll back was the focus. Nothing further was done. $2500 each. Someone, or a group of someones decided that our lives werent worth $2500. Lets make no mistake, while a number of failures had to occurr for the incident to play out, the report makes it clear that it was sheer luck, not good or proper management that further (or earlier) deaths had not occurred. $2500. Each. Let that sink in. What does $2500 buy you? A new tv? A used car? A short holiday? Its abhorrent a life is reduced to such a worthless sum. These people ruined 4 lives directly, destroyed families in the process, exposing kids to something adults are not capable of handling, and resulted in many people, their own staff included suffering psycological trauma they are still dealing with. None of you should have any jobs. Many of you should be turned out for contributing directly to their deaths and face the possibility of jail time, and any penalties leveled at ardent should be so severe that any company even contemplating putting a price on the lives and safety of your guests and staff should only have to mention the name dreamworld before being instantly aware of their stupidity. Ill be really fucking surprised if the company is even penalised a 7 figure sum. And thats a god damn travesty the qld government should automatically appeal because its in the interests of the whole country that an element of justice is actually served and someone, if not multiple people have been held to account.

So was Eureka but look what happened when old mate Craig thought it was a still operational. Everyone instantly forgot how much of a pile of shit it was and got clouded by their golden years (I had it work it in somewhere). I agree it would be a bad idea to call it Thunderbolt but I can see where people are coming from. Just hold a contest so we can name it Rolley McCoasterFace already

Absolutely. #iloveKKK

God that’s a tad tacky letting them hang their dodgy banner.

I agree with everything you said except these two points. Now it has the extended tunnel, I agree it cuts the park in half, previously with just a track I thought it was fine, no issues. The tower its self is obviously iconic. The noise is also super loud but I've always thought it made the atmosphere. I have strong memories as a kid wanting to be as close as possible to it when it launched and loved hearing it go and would always turn to watch as soon as I could. I've not been to dreamworld in a good 7 years but its still a strong good memory memory.

She'll be right. Some WD40 and she be like new.

Alright I feel we're all across what is happening in Movie World this month